First Family accepts delivery of Christmas tree

[Asclepias]

Beautiful........

Awe inspiring example of greatness.

 

[mudwhistle]

Beautiful........

Awe inspiring example of greatness.

More like inspires vomiting.

Not the pic but the slobbering......

 

[mudwhistle]

At least Romney didn't have to borrow somebody else's kids to fill out a family portrait.

 

[Dot Com]

Strange, Obama didn't even celebrate Christmas before he went into the White House and what about the picture he had covered up of Jesus when he spoke at that college in the South. He has not got me fooled one bit. Obama tries to make himself look good sometimes to the American people like we are so stupid we don't know any better.

Do you have a link, or are you just spewing junk out of your empty head?

OMG - you can't make this shit up......some of you claim he went to Rev Wright's church for 20 years - now you say he didn't even celebrate Christmas....Make up your minds, you're beginning to look like fools - either he went to church or he didn't!

Rev Wright's church is where Obama went to network and hear about racism and slavery. He didn't go there to worship God. Obama found a similar pastor in D.C. that preaches the same brand of race-based doctrine that Obama loves to hear on Sunday. Now when it comes to his religious beliefs, he feels that people who want to hang on to their guns and "Their Religion" are racists.

"Their Religion", not his religion.

Attending a church is not the same as being a true believer. There are plenty of Saturday Night sinners that are Sunday morning Christians of convenience. One gets the feeling that he only believes in God for one hour a week. His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

Looks like it was the latter

 

[wavingrl]

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Rev Wright's church is where Obama went to network and hear about racism and slavery. He didn't go there to worship God. Obama found a similar pastor in D.C. that preaches the same brand of race-based doctrine that Obama loves to hear on Sunday. Now when it comes to his religious beliefs, he feels that people who want to hang on to their guns and "Their Religion" are racists.

"Their Religion", not his religion.

Attending a church is not the same as being a true believer. There are plenty of Saturday Night sinners that are Sunday morning Christians of convenience. One gets the feeling that he only believes in God for one hour a week. His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

Looks like it was the latter

I think I agree. Haven't read the post or the thread very carefully.

I think the Obama's issued a statement that they did not share the 'ideas' of Rev. Wright. If they 'lied'--someone will devote his/her life to investigating this.

Racism--it is wrong. Never should have gotten started, like so many things. shrug--The Scots--brought whisky into the US--had to make some money, etc. Responsible use of alcohol---many Scots believe in that and then others suffer consequences from 'the demon rum'. Maybe that is not a good comparison.

all I've got at the moment. Moderation--sounds good to me. Sometimes that is not possible--if something is really 'evil'--hurting people--then I suppose a radical approach to remove the evil is 'what we should do'???

 

[laughinReaper]

Our First Family makes me proud

Obamas welcome official White House Christmas tree* - TODAY.com

First lady Michelle Obama, her daughters, Sasha and Malia, and dogs, Bo and Sunny, welcomed the arrival of the official White House Christmas tree around 11 a.m.

You have to admit that this great nation has a model First Family. Go Michelle!!!

It's a Christmas tree that I'm sure was hand picked, what is to accept? Was there a chance Moochelle was gonna send it back if it was a Scotch Pine and not a Douglas Fir or a Blue Spruce?

 

[wavingrl]

Our First Family makes me proud

Obamas welcome official White House Christmas tree* - TODAY.com

First lady Michelle Obama, her daughters, Sasha and Malia, and dogs, Bo and Sunny, welcomed the arrival of the official White House Christmas tree around 11 a.m.

You have to admit that this great nation has a model First Family. Go Michelle!!!

It's a Christmas tree that I'm sure was hand picked, what is to accept? Was there a chance Moochelle was gonna send it back if it was a Scotch Pine and not a Douglas Fir or a Blue Spruce?

18 and 1/2 foot blue spruce from PA---sounds good. I've seen the specials on the decorating of the WH--a major undertaking--lots of volunteers who work for months to make ornaments for some of the trees. Wish I had a couple of them at my house.

The ornaments--
The 2013 tree was harvested at the Colville National Forest in Washington state and will be decorated with more than 5,000 handmade ornaments that reflect the theme "Sharing Washington’s Good Nature."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ives-carriage-article-1.1532757#ixzz2mS8FJllt
'Sharing Washington's Good Nature'
clever title/theme--lol--one year a group made actual terrariums.

 

[Mertex]

Strange, Obama didn't even celebrate Christmas before he went into the White House and what about the picture he had covered up of Jesus when he spoke at that college in the South. He has not got me fooled one bit. Obama tries to make himself look good sometimes to the American people like we are so stupid we don't know any better.

Do you have a link, or are you just spewing junk out of your empty head?

OMG - you can't make this shit up......some of you claim he went to Rev Wright's church for 20 years - now you say he didn't even celebrate Christmas....Make up your minds, you're beginning to look like fools - either he went to church or he didn't!

Rev Wright's church is where Obama went to network and hear about racism and slavery. He didn't go there to worship God. Obama found a similar pastor in D.C. that preaches the same brand of race-based doctrine that Obama loves to hear on Sunday. Now when it comes to his religious beliefs, he feels that people who want to hang on to their guns and "Their Religion" are racists.

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.

"Their Religion", not his religion.

Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense

Attending a church is not the same as being a true believer. There are plenty of Saturday Night sinners that are Sunday morning Christians of convenience. One gets the feeling that he only believes in God for one hour a week.

I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com

His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

 

[Asclepias]

Rev Wright's church is where Obama went to network and hear about racism and slavery. He didn't go there to worship God. Obama found a similar pastor in D.C. that preaches the same brand of race-based doctrine that Obama loves to hear on Sunday. Now when it comes to his religious beliefs, he feels that people who want to hang on to their guns and "Their Religion" are racists.

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.


Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense

Attending a church is not the same as being a true believer. There are plenty of Saturday Night sinners that are Sunday morning Christians of convenience. One gets the feeling that he only believes in God for one hour a week.

I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com

His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

Absolutely on point. 1000 thumbs up.

 

[mudwhistle]

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.


Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense




I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com

His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

Absolutely on point. 1000 thumbs up.

You have 1000 thumbs?????

I guess you must be a clumsy person because you're all thumbs.

 

[mudwhistle]

Rev Wright's church is where Obama went to network and hear about racism and slavery. He didn't go there to worship God. Obama found a similar pastor in D.C. that preaches the same brand of race-based doctrine that Obama loves to hear on Sunday. Now when it comes to his religious beliefs, he feels that people who want to hang on to their guns and "Their Religion" are racists.

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.


Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense

Attending a church is not the same as being a true believer. There are plenty of Saturday Night sinners that are Sunday morning Christians of convenience. One gets the feeling that he only believes in God for one hour a week.

I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com

His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

An extremely long-winded response to a simple statement. I don't know where to begin......so I won't. I will simply cut through the BS and get to the point.

Let's just say you have a problem with facing the truth. That much is clear. Here is my point:

1. You don't have to attend church to be a Christian

2. Obama's support for laws that attack Christians is well documented, so spare me the surprise.

3. I'm not spewing anything, merely stating the obvious.

 

[Sunshine]

You have 1000 thumbs?????

I guess you must be a clumsy person because you're all thumbs.

He turned his rep off. How's that for chicken shit!

 

[wavingrl]

no pics of the ornaments yet.

pics of a GW Bush ornament--lol--will that make it to the WH tree?

eta:
New Hampshire is sending some beaver dams--
http://www.boston.com/news/educatio...tional-tree/0AVxdWkS3FvraALGexHTxH/story.html

GA will contribute a Goldfinch for the 'All Creatures Great and Small'

http://savannahnow.com/stories/120102/LOCornament.shtml

all about the WH Christmas tree. iirc, the tradition began in 1923. frt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/canden-schwantes/national-christmas-tree_b_4374534.html

 

[Asclepias]

You have 1000 thumbs?????

I guess you must be a clumsy person because you're all thumbs.

He turned his rep off. How's that for chicken shit!

Because reputation points mean that you get to...............?

 

[Mertex]

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.


Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense




I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com

His obvious hatred for Christians, his stances on abortion, and his enthusiastic support for everything that is Gay since he evolved only shows that he isn't a real Christian, and anything he does to appear to be one is hypocritical at best.

And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

An extremely long-winded response to a simple statement. I don't know where to begin......so I won't. I will simply cut through the BS and get to the point.

No, the truth is you can't refute it with factual links or comments, so you do what you've been doing, continue to repeat what you've heard in right-wing sources without bothering to check and see whether they are true or not.

Let's just say you have a problem with facing the truth. That much is clear. Here is my point:

I think you are the one that has the problem facing the truth. You were unable to refute what I said, yet you won't admit that what you said is just your opinion.

1. You don't have to attend church to be a Christian

I didn't dispute that, yet, the Bible clearly says that Christians should not abolish the assembling with other Christians, so anyone that claims to be a Christian and doesn't bother to attend church is not following what the Bible teaches.

Hebrew 10:
25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

2. Obama's support for laws that attack Christians is well documented, so spare me the surprise.

Which laws are that? I am a Christian and I don't feel attacked by any law, so maybe it's all in your head?

3. I'm not spewing anything, merely stating the obvious.

Well, when you have a bias, I'm sure that everything you want will appear "obvious" but I've yet to have you post any links or actual facts to back up your so "obvious" beliefs.

 

[Dot Com]

links must be like kryptonite to mudwhistle.

 

[mudwhistle]

OMG! You have proof that Obama didn't worship God when he went to church? Or does that come from the same place as all the hate and vitriol comes from? Obama doesn't attend church often while President because it puts an undue burden on the CIA and the members of any church he would attend, but you have no proof that he is not a Christian. He has claimed it and that should be enough for any other Christian to accept. And, he has had a home church, something that most "true" believers avail themselves of.

His comment was right on target....many of the gun owners that claim to be Christian spew more hate and vitriol that it would be hard to prove they were Christian, and many hang on to their religion......"their" religion, not the faith of Christianity, because their religion allows them to say and do things that Christians know better than to say or do.

And, Obama didn't say they were "racist" - again, like in other areas, you make up things that are not said. This is what he said:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

People that aren't like them does not equate to racism......here you are against gays, and some are against Muslims, and others still, are against blacks. And, you can read their bitterness in their posts, right here on this Forum.


Their religion is one that they have created themselves, where they think it is fine to "hate" others that don't agree with them, and to call the President names. Yep, that is "their" religion, not the religion of a Christian. And, I've never heard President Obama call anyone a derisive term, but these so called "religious" people sure do love to call him names. I've also never heard Obama being accused of cursing while in office but George W. Bush sure was....and many right wingers praised Bush for being a "Christian". I know that you will make excuses for the way Bush/Cheney talked while in office, but the facts are that Christians are never off-duty.

OpEdNews - Article: Cheney & Bush hypocritically and regularly cuss up a storm as they pretend to be angelic Christians to grab Religious Right vote; Green Party speakers make sense




I know that attending church does not make you a "true" believer, but believers usually attend, and George Bush was praised by the right as a "Christian" and he admits that he doesn't even go to church.

What they haven't done is take up the task of following President George W. Bush to his home church. That's because of one small problem: He doesn't have one.Does Bush Go to Church? - Beliefnet.com



And what do you mean his "obvious" hatred for Christians? That's something that the right has manufactured and spews it out as fact. The fact that he is pro-choice does not go against his Christianity. I will not go into the details of my beliefs on abortion because it would take too long, but being pro-choice does not make one a supporter of elective abortion without restrictions. That one would allow a woman to die from a pregnancy is more inhumane than an abortion, but enough on that.

And, denying any person their rights because you believe that what they are doing is a sin, is not Christian, either. Jesus commanded his followers to hate the sin and love the sinner, but many right-wingers who call themselves Christian, have taken the position of hating the sinner, too. Jesus dealt with such hypocrites by calling them white-washed tombs, who thought they were doing everything right and apparently were missing the whole point of his teachings.

Needless to say, that you cannot just spew out accusations without proof and without discussing the tedious details of each issue, but so many on the right make don't bother with the details and just make flat-out accusations that are neither accurate nor true.

An extremely long-winded response to a simple statement. I don't know where to begin......so I won't. I will simply cut through the BS and get to the point.

No, the truth is you can't refute it with factual links or comments, so you do what you've been doing, continue to repeat what you've heard in right-wing sources without bothering to check and see whether they are true or not.



I think you are the one that has the problem facing the truth. You were unable to refute what I said, yet you won't admit that what you said is just your opinion.

I didn't dispute that, yet, the Bible clearly says that Christians should not abolish the assembling with other Christians, so anyone that claims to be a Christian and doesn't bother to attend church is not following what the Bible teaches.

Hebrew 10:
25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

2. Obama's support for laws that attack Christians is well documented, so spare me the surprise.

Which laws are that? I am a Christian and I don't feel attacked by any law, so maybe it's all in your head?

3. I'm not spewing anything, merely stating the obvious.

Well, when you have a bias, I'm sure that everything you want will appear "obvious" but I've yet to have you post any links or actual facts to back up your so "obvious" beliefs.

Just because I choose not to explain what doesn't need to be explained doesn't mean that I can't refute your nonsensical post. What it means is I don't feel the need to explain everything to you, it's a simple as that. Make your responses more compacted because I don't feel like writing a book just to respond to it.

It shouldn't be necessary for me to retell you everything that has happened in the last 3 years just to make you happy. I will point out that Obama has put regulations in the ACA that are in direct conflict with the U.S. Constitution.

Obama started out his presidency by in so many words saying that anyone who wants to hang onto their guns and their religion is a racist. Obama also supported a push to force Catholic institutions to provide birth control in their insurance policies to students, and then wrote it into the ACA. This is a law that goes directly against the 2nd Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Then he began a push to support Homosexuals and same-sex marriage and he and his rich friends in Hollywood and the MSM rationalized that anyone who doesn't support SSM is a bigot and needed to be shunned, even discriminated against as punishment.

Now, can you grasp that concept, or do you need links to help you?

Obama has used the IRS to harass Jewish and Christian organizations. The Administration is currently under investigation and to this date refuses to cooperate in the investigations.

 

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I hope he enjoyed his fucking pies.

 

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links must be like kryptonite to mudwhistle.

That's a lie of course.

 

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When Obama called us teabaggers wasn't it an insult?

Obama used to teach classes in college on how to bad-mouth an enemy and they not be offended, smiling in their faces while you call them names. Obama generalised that anyone who owned a gun and practiced Christianity also held racist views. He just covered it up with flowery language putting his techniques into practice. This is s false stereotype you must believe in or you wouldn't ignore the obvious racism in the statement.

And fyi, you don't have to attend an established church to conduct a religious service.
Obama attends church to do one or more of several things:

To appear clean and holy
To network or make friends with like-minded minded people
To hear sermons on how evil man (whites) have been to their fellow man (blacks)

Church is not the place for this. The focus should be on worshipping God, not airing a grievance.

Obama has proved many times over that he doesn't care who he inconveniences, so his infrequent attendence isn't out of consideration for other church members. I don't feel the need to qualify this with links because the list of examples are plentiful and out there for anyone to access through the internet. For example his carelessness when it comes to demanding an hour of primetime to make speech after worthless speech costing each network $3 million dollars in advertisememt revenue. Cutting off WhiteHouse tours is another. Closing national parks and memorials yet another. Insisting on changing the venue at the 2008 Democrat National Convention costing an extra million dollars to relocate the party. Giving his first SOTU address before serving even one month in office. Insisting on creating a new presidential seal that read "Office Of President Elect" acting like he was already president before Bush left office. Trying to bribe Iraqi officials into not signing any withdrawal agreements with Bush. Need I go on?