First Amendment Question

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    If religion should be protected from state encroachment, why not education?
     
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    Good question. One might argue education is organic to the state and vice versa. The state is responsible for creation of educational structure--the nuts and bolts. Or were you speaking more to the dogmatic, unchangeable fundamental facts of disciplines such as science and history, for example? More like why can the state modify historical sources of curriculum?
     
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    No. Nothing like that. Much of the reasoning for a "Separation of Church and State" is that it is dangerous to grant indoctrination power to the state. Governments have, historically, coveted the power of religion and sought to co-opt it, merging it with government. It gives the state radically more pervasive control over a population.

    I'm wondering, why do we consider education any different? Hasn't it become as powerful, if not more so, as tool to control public opinion? Don't the arguments against state control of religion apply equally well to education?
     
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    Thank you for specifying.

    While as you say, historically, governments have merged with religion as a means of control, in America religion runs alongside government more as a silent but ever potent partner somewhere in the background--like a shadow cast over policy. Religious education is not mandated officially, nor is religious belief forced. Of course national religious belief is insinuated, as you say, but from far the level of a theocracy like Iran.

    Whereas education is government mandated. Are you suggesting privatization of what is now public education? On the premise that public education has become too politicized--too polarizing an institution for either party and their bases? Public education used as a weapon against the people? In that case I'd say yes, arguments against state control of religion should apply equally well to education.

    What level of public education specifically? Is there a specific case that prompted the question?
     
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    I doubt that our founding father's never imagined that there would be a dispute about teaching the basics of life, along with the "three 'R's".
     
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    Other than religion based complaints; evolution, sexual education, etc; what do you find wrong with our education curriculum?
     
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    Because one can compromise on governance. One can compromise on education. But one never compromises on his God.
     
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    No one except the Bible, Preachers, and religious nuts. They all compromise on accepted religious information.
     
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    yeah....and how come there's no carbonated meat?????
     
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    The government isn't authorized by the Constitution to be involved with education.

    The queston should be why are they.
     
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