Fired for Being on the Pill

[Conservative]

This is the bill...

what's confusing about this unless English isn't your first language.

B. Notwithstanding subsection A of this section, a religious employer whose religious tenets prohibit the use of prescribed contraceptive methods may require that the accountable health plan provide a health benefits plan without coverage for all federal food and drug administration approved contraceptive methods. A religious employer shall submit a written affidavit to the accountable health plan stating that it is a religious employer.� On receipt of the affidavit, the accountable health plan shall issue to the religious employer a health benefits plan that excludes coverage of prescription contraceptive methods.� an accountable health plan does not fail to meet the requirements of subsection A of this section if the plan's failure to provide coverage of specific items or services required under subsection A of this section is because providing or paying for coverage of the specific items or services is contrary to the religious beliefs of the employer, sponsor, issuer, accountable health plan or other entity offering the plan or is because the coverage is contrary to the religious beliefs of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.� If an objection triggers this subsection, a written affidavit shall be filed with the accountable health plan stating the objection. The accountable health plan shall retain the affidavit for the duration of the health benefits plan and any renewals of the plan.

C. Before enrollment in the plan, every religious employer that invokes this exemption shall provide prospective enrollees written notice that the religious employer refuses to cover all federal food and drug administration approved contraceptive methods for religious reasons.

D. C. Subsection B of this section shall not exclude coverage for prescription contraceptive methods ordered by a health care provider with prescriptive authority for medical indications other than to prevent an unintended pregnancy for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes.� An accountable health plan, employer, sponsor, issuer or other entity offering the plan may state religious beliefs in its affidavit that require the enrollee to first pay for the prescription and then submit a claim to the accountable health plan along with evidence that the prescription is for a noncontraceptive purpose not in whole or in part for a purpose covered by the objection. An accountable health plan may charge an administrative fee for handling claims under this subsection.

Bill Text: AZ House Bill 2625 - Fiftieth Legislature - Second Regular Session (2012) | eLobbyist

So an employer can govern the sex life of an employee now by not letting an insurance carrier pay for prescription medication.

I notice they didn't exclude Viagra coverage.

you conveniently neglected to note that the part in RED above WAS REMOVED from the final bill. Renders your objection MOOT.

 

[Conservative]

This is the bill...

what's confusing about this unless English isn't your first language.

D. C. Subsection B of this section shall not exclude coverage for prescription contraceptive methods ordered by a health care provider with prescriptive authority for medical indications other than to prevent an unintended pregnancy for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes.� An accountable health plan, employer, sponsor, issuer or other entity offering the plan may state religious beliefs in its affidavit that require the enrollee to first pay for the prescription and then submit a claim to the accountable health plan along with evidence that the prescription is for a noncontraceptive purpose not in whole or in part for a purpose covered by the objection. An accountable health plan may charge an administrative fee for handling claims under this subsection.

That is not in the bill.

it is, but she purposely avoided telling you that the part in RED above was removed from the bill, making her argument MOOT.

 

[g5000]

So if you read the actual law, you find that employers must provide contraception coverage that is intended to prevent pregnancies for their employees. It is right there in black and white.

Of course, you have to know how to read and not have your "make shit up" goggles on to see it.

If you go to work for an employer who has filed an affadavit which says he or she will not provide contraception coverage to prevent pregnancies, and your doctor tells you to get on the pill because you have ovarian cysts, then your employer must cover that.


However, here is what really gets a Liberal pissed off: You cannot force a person of faith to violate their faith and demand they give you the pill for medically unnecessary purposes.

This drives them batshit crazy. They HATE religious people.

Everyone else must, by this law, provide the pill for medically unnecessary purposes. That is the part the haters of religion choose not to notice.


In classic Orwellian doublethink, they call their war on religion a "conservative war on women".

 

[Zoom-boing]

That was quick. You've been spreading around the negatives it seems.

I see we have a new Lakhota.

Every chance he can, Warrior negative reps me. He seems to think it will either get me to change my signature or prevent me from posting.

Either way, I find it pretty funny.

Yer whining again, Lakhota Part Deux.

 

[Conservative]

I see we have a new Lakhota.

Every chance he can, Warrior negative reps me. He seems to think it will either get me to change my signature or prevent me from posting.

Either way, I find it pretty funny.

Yer whining again, Lakhota Part Deux.

It's almost like Shitting Bull never left... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

 

[Zoom-boing]

Every chance he can, Warrior negative reps me. He seems to think it will either get me to change my signature or prevent me from posting.

Either way, I find it pretty funny.

Yer whining again, Lakhota Part Deux.

It's almost like Shitting Bull never left... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

The liberalese has eaten away at their brain leaving them devoid of any common sense they may have possessed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"If HB 2625 is signed into law, businesses in Yuma that offer their employees health insurance could refuse to provide contraceptive coverage to their female workers if that goes against their religious beliefs.

“It would just open the door to every employer and every insurer in Yuma County to superimpose his or her values on the major health care decisions available to the women of Yuma County,” said Bryan Howard, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Arizona."

Another opinion; the entire item from YumaSun.com is linked below.

Read more: Arizona Planned Parenthood chief: HB 2625 erodes women’s health rights, health, religious, yuma - News - YumaSun

 

[Uncensored2008]

A proposed new law in Arizona would give employers the power to request that women being prescribed birth control pills provide proof that they're using it for non-sexual reasons. And because Arizona's an at-will employment state, that means that bosses critical of their female employees' sex lives could fire them as a result.

Yesterday, a Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed Republican Debbie Lesko's HB2625 by a vote of 6-2, which would allow an employer to request proof that a woman using insurance to buy birth control was being prescribed the birth control for reasons other than not wanting to get pregnant. It's all about freedom, she said

Law Will Allow Employers to Fire Women for Using Whore Pills

The freedom comment was really the icing on the cake.

And ... cue the "conservatives" saying there is not a war on women.

Wow, the fucking lies you leftists tell....

The bill stops forcing employers to provide contraception - nothing more.

You fucking liars are something else, seriously.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am confident that no liberal has ever "proposed" a dumb law....

No Republican proposed what these assholes claim - they are flat out lying. The law merely lifts a mandate that employers must offer contraception in health care plans.

 

[Uncensored2008]

who go fired?

No one, sureisstupid is lying through his fucking teeth, as usual.

 

[Ravi]

This is the bill...

what's confusing about this unless English isn't your first language.

That is not in the bill.

it is, but she purposely avoided telling you that the part in RED above was removed from the bill, making her argument MOOT.

Taking that out doesn't change the meaning of the bill.

But I'll play along. Tell us in your own words what this bill means.

 

[g5000]

"If HB 2625 is signed into law, businesses in Yuma that offer their employees health insurance could refuse to provide contraceptive coverage to their female workers if that goes against their religious beliefs.

They say that as though it were a bad thing. This is the liberal war on religion right here out in the open!

"“It would just open the door to every employer and every insurer in Yuma County to superimpose his or her values on the major health care decisions available to the women of Yuma County,” said Bryan Howard, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Arizona."

Wait a second. The government is forcing employers to provide contraception coverage in this law. And that ISN'T superimposing someone's values on someone else?

How is NOT giving you a fringe benefit forcing my values on you? Huh? Please explain.

You guys see what I mean? This is amazing. By being completely INTOLERANT of a religious person's values, the liberals claim it is the religious person who is the persecutor.

Wow.

Just...wow.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Taking that out doesn't change the meaning of the bill.

But I'll play along. Tell us in your own words what this bill means.

Shouldn't you change the name of your party from the "democrats" to the "fucking liars?"

You know, truth in advertising?

Oh wait, you don't do the whole "truth" thing....

 

[g5000]

That is not in the bill.

it is, but she purposely avoided telling you that the part in RED above was removed from the bill, making her argument MOOT.

Taking that out doesn't change the meaning of the bill.

But I'll play along. Tell us in your own words what this bill means.

You need it explained AGAIN!?!

The law requires employers to provide contraception coverage, even if the person using it is using it the way most women use it, which is to prevent pregnancy.

With me so far? Good. Because that seems to be the part you and your liberal friends willfully ignore. I can only suppose that is because it does not fit the narrative you have in your pointy heads.

The bill also describes other things that have to be covered by employers. Things related to eyesight and all kinds of other stuff NOT related to birth control.

That also seems to be willfully ignored by you and your friends.

No, really. Go ahead and look. You thought it had something to do with religious people forcing their views on contraception on others. So what the ever loving fuck is that optometry shit all about?

Hmmmmmmm...


The law also protects religious people from having to violate their faith. And this is where you guys completely lose your minds and begin making all kinds of hysterical shit up.

For that teeeeeeeeeeeny, tiny minority of business owners who cannot provide the pill because it is against their religion, intolerant bigots like yourself are prevented from forcing them to do so.

We here in America don't like bigots bossing people around, see. Making minorities do things against their will and stuff. Can't have it.

And that is all it is.

So go ahead and roll out the cancer lady who needs contraception.

SHE IS COVERED BY THIS LAW

No one, not even the religious minority boss, can stop her from getting her pill. Her medication is required by this law to be covered.

Go ahead and roll out the married lady who is not ready to have kids yet.

SHE IS COVERED BY THIS LAW

Employers are required to provide her contraception coverage. And optometry, too!

 

[Immanuel]

This is the bill...

what's confusing about this unless English isn't your first language.

B. Notwithstanding subsection A of this section, a religious employer whose religious tenets prohibit the use of prescribed contraceptive methods may require that the accountable health plan provide a health benefits plan without coverage for all federal food and drug administration approved contraceptive methods. A religious employer shall submit a written affidavit to the accountable health plan stating that it is a religious employer.� On receipt of the affidavit, the accountable health plan shall issue to the religious employer a health benefits plan that excludes coverage of prescription contraceptive methods.� an accountable health plan does not fail to meet the requirements of subsection A of this section if the plan's failure to provide coverage of specific items or services required under subsection A of this section is because providing or paying for coverage of the specific items or services is contrary to the religious beliefs of the employer, sponsor, issuer, accountable health plan or other entity offering the plan or is because the coverage is contrary to the religious beliefs of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.� If an objection triggers this subsection, a written affidavit shall be filed with the accountable health plan stating the objection. The accountable health plan shall retain the affidavit for the duration of the health benefits plan and any renewals of the plan.

C. Before enrollment in the plan, every religious employer that invokes this exemption shall provide prospective enrollees written notice that the religious employer refuses to cover all federal food and drug administration approved contraceptive methods for religious reasons.

D. C. Subsection B of this section shall not exclude coverage for prescription contraceptive methods ordered by a health care provider with prescriptive authority for medical indications other than to prevent an unintended pregnancy for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes.� An accountable health plan, employer, sponsor, issuer or other entity offering the plan may state religious beliefs in its affidavit that require the enrollee to first pay for the prescription and then submit a claim to the accountable health plan along with evidence that the prescription is for a noncontraceptive purpose not in whole or in part for a purpose covered by the objection. An accountable health plan may charge an administrative fee for handling claims under this subsection.

Bill Text: AZ House Bill 2625 - Fiftieth Legislature - Second Regular Session (2012) | eLobbyist

So an employer can govern the sex life of an employee now by not letting an insurance carrier pay for prescription medication.

I notice they didn't exclude Viagra coverage.

you conveniently neglected to note that the part in RED above WAS REMOVED from the final bill. Renders your objection MOOT.

So read that sentence without the part in red and tell me what it says:

An accountable health plan, employer, sponsor, issuer or other entity offering the plan may state religious beliefs in its affidavit that require the enrollee to first pay for the prescription and then submit a claim to the accountable health plan along with evidence that the prescription is not in whole or in part for a purpose covered by the objection.

Immie

 

[Ravi]

"The law protects religious people from violating their faith"

This bill extends the right to deny birth control to any employer if it is being used to keep someone from an unwanted pregnancy. Any employer, not just those with a religious squeamishness.

Your repeated lies do not change that fact.

btw, the law already protects religious people from violating their faith. There is no law mandating that women practice birth control.

 

[g5000]

From the law:

Each contract for dental or optometric services shall be so written that the corporation shall pay benefits for contracted dental or optometric services provided by dentists or optometrists.

Any contract, except accidental death and dismemberment, applied for that provides family coverage, as to such coverage of family members, shall also provide that the benefits applicable for children shall be payable with respect to a newly born child of the insured from the instant of such child's birth, to a child adopted by the insured, regardless of the age at which the child was adopted, and to a child who has been placed for adoption with the insured and for whom the application and approval procedures for adoption pursuant to section 8‑105 or 8‑108 have been completed to the same extent that such coverage applies to other members of the family. The coverage for newly born or adopted children or children placed for adoption shall include coverage of injury or sickness, including necessary care and treatment of medically diagnosed congenital defects and birth abnormalities. If payment of a specific premium is required to provide coverage for a child, the contract may require that notification of birth, adoption or adoption placement of the child and payment of the required premium must be furnished to the insurer within thirty‑one days after the date of birth, adoption or adoption placement in order to have the coverage continue beyond the thirty‑one day period.

F. Each contract that is delivered or issued for delivery in this state after December 25, 1977 and that provides that coverage of a dependent child shall terminate on attainment of the limiting age for dependent children specified in the contract shall also provide in substance that attainment of such limiting age shall not operate to terminate the coverage of such child while the child is and continues to be both incapable of self‑sustaining employment by reason of intellectual disability or physical handicap and chiefly dependent on the subscriber for support and maintenance. Proof of such incapacity and dependency shall be furnished to the corporation by the subscriber within thirty‑one days of the child's attainment of the limiting age and subsequently as may be required by the corporation, but not more frequently than annually after the two‑year period following the child's attainment of the limiting age.

G. No corporation may cancel or refuse to renew any subscriber's contract without giving notice of such cancellation or nonrenewal to the subscriber under such contract. A notice by the corporation to the subscriber of cancellation or nonrenewal of a subscription contract shall be mailed to the named subscriber at least forty‑five days before the effective date of such cancellation or nonrenewal. The notice shall include or be accompanied by a statement in writing of the reasons for such action by the corporation.� Failure of the corporation to comply with this subsection shall invalidate any cancellation or nonrenewal except a cancellation or nonrenewal for nonpayment of premium.

H. A contract that provides coverage for surgical services for a mastectomy shall also provide coverage incidental to the patient's covered mastectomy for surgical services for reconstruction of the breast on which the mastectomy was performed, surgery and reconstruction of the other breast to produce a symmetrical appearance, prostheses, treatment of physical complications for all stages of the mastectomy, including lymphedemas, and at least two external postoperative prostheses subject to all of the terms and conditions of the policy.

I. A contract that provides coverage for surgical services for a mastectomy shall also provide coverage for mammography screening performed on dedicated equipment for diagnostic purposes on referral by a patient's physician, subject to all of the terms and conditions of the policy and according to the following guidelines:

1. A baseline mammogram for a woman from age thirty‑five to thirty‑nine.

2. A mammogram for a woman from age forty to forty‑nine every two years or more frequently based on the recommendation of the woman's physician.

3. A mammogram every year for a woman fifty years of age and over.

J. Any contract that is issued to the insured and that provides coverage for maternity benefits shall also provide that the maternity benefits apply to the costs of the birth of any child legally adopted by the insured if all of the following are true:

1. The child is adopted within one year of birth.

2. The insured is legally obligated to pay the costs of birth.

3. All preexisting conditions and other limitations have been met by the insured.

Mammograms, dentistry, optometry, mastectomies, accidental death and dismemberment.

All kinds of stuff in there. Including a requirement that says if the employment contract covers prescriptions, then it must cover contraception.

Apparently, there is some weird metaphysical thing that happens when liberal dummies come upon the words "must cover contraception". I think a gigantic airhorn goes off in their heads and they are blinded or something.

I certainly have posted the exact wording from the law enough times that that is the only explanation I can come up with why they continue to say completely untrue things about it.

 

[g5000]

"The law protects religious people from violating their faith"

This bill extends the right to deny birth control to any employer if it is being used to keep someone from an unwanted pregnancy. Any employer, not just those with a religious squeamishness.

That is a flat-out lie.

Please quote the exact part of the law which supports this asinine claim.

Seriously, is there an airhorn that goes off in your head when I quote the exact parts of the law which say an employer must provide contraception coverage to prevent unintended pregancy?

 

[g5000]

I apologize to those who already get it, but I must amplify the part of the law to overcome the willful blindness being demonstrate:

If the contract provides coverage for prescription drugs, the contract shall provide coverage for any prescribed drug or device that is approved by the United States food and drug administration for use as a contraceptive.

A corporation may use a drug formulary, multitiered drug formulary or list but that formulary or list shall include oral, implant and injectable contraceptive drugs, intrauterine devices and prescription barrier methods if the corporation does not impose deductibles, coinsurance, copayments or other cost containment measures for contraceptive drugs that are greater than the deductibles, coinsurance, copayments or other cost containment measures for other drugs on the same level of the formulary or list.

2. If the contract provides coverage for outpatient health care services, the contract shall provide coverage for outpatient contraceptive services. For the purposes of this paragraph, "outpatient contraceptive services" means consultations, examinations, procedures and medical services provided on an outpatient basis and related to the use of approved United States food and drug administration prescription contraceptive methods to prevent unintended pregnancies.

 

[g5000]

This bill extends the right to deny birth control to any employer if it is being used to keep someone from an unwanted pregnancy. Any employer, not just those with a religious squeamishness.

You lie.

From the law:

Notwithstanding subsection y of this section, a contract does not fail to meet the requirements of subsection Y of this section if the contract's failure to provide coverage of specific items or services required under subsection Y of this section is because providing or paying for coverage of the specific items or services is contrary to the religious beliefs of the employer, sponsor, issuer, corporation or other entity offering the plan or is because the coverage is contrary to the religious beliefs of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.

Subsection Y is the section I quoted in my previous post.

There are no other exceptions. Zilch. None. Nada. Zero.

Everyone else must provide contraception coverage to prevent unintended pregnacies.


You are a liar.