Fire up those CO2 emitting utilities Trump ...we're in for LONG extremely COLD winters..

[Flash]

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No, Flash, old boy, you are the stupid one. Stupid and willfully ignorant, because you have the best research tool ever invented sitting right in front of you, and you do not use it.

Since every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and that it present a clear and present danger, what makes you think you know more than most of the scientists in the world?

I was an Environmental Engineer for 30 year before I retired. I cleaned up more pollution in one week than all the Environmental wackos in the US will see in their life times. While not a climate expert I do recognize scientific bullshit and I am much more well read on the topic than many of you typical mindless Moon Bats that can't think for yourselves and believes all the silly horseshit the Environmental Wackos tells you.

This AGW scam is unadulterated bullshit. If it wasn't then those scam artists you quoted above wouldn't have to fabricate data. Go read the email that were exposed in Climategate I & II. Those idiots even confess to the scam. They say it is for the "common good of Mankind" or some horseshit like that.

Don't be so damn gullible. It just makes you like a fool.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL OK, another Silly Billy here. Well, at least you are not claiming atmospheric physicist credentials while posting in the manner of a retarded burger flipper.

You are an anonymous poster on an internet board. Without siting evidence from a credible source, you have no credibility. You can claim to be anything that you please. Napoleon, even. LOL

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Within 5 years the AGW Cult will blame CO2 for the cooling

 

[HenryBHough]

Pity Obama didn't stand on the lip of a volcano and command it quit.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If CO2 keeps going up, warming is inevitable.

Prove it. But if you can't prove it, why do you believe it?

It's already been proven.

If you got through a 6th grade General Science class, you learned about photosynthesis. You also learned that the human body is built to breath NOT to take in O2 but to blow off toxic CO2.

I don't understand how this is being questioned in the 21st century.


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[Luddly Neddite]

If CO2 keeps going up, warming is inevitable.

Prove it. But if you can't prove it, why do you believe it?

Oh and, you should ask christians about believing that which cannot be proven.
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[Luddly Neddite]

The sun is going into minima. When the sun went into Maunder's Minima, the Thames froze and people were ice skating on the river.

These Moon Bats are so stupid. They believe the climate of the earth is controlled by people driving around in SUVs, not the heat output of the sun.

No, Flash, old boy, you are the stupid one. Stupid and willfully ignorant, because you have the best research tool ever invented sitting right in front of you, and you do not use it.

Since every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and that it present a clear and present danger, what makes you think you know more than most of the scientists in the world?

Yeah, the Internet was supposed to usher in the most knowledgeable era in our history. Instead, it's about 99.99% opinion.


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[Luddly Neddite]

Pity Obama didn't stand on the lip of a volcano and command it quit.

He did but the damn Party Of Stupid, Party Of No, Party Of No Matter What, Nothing From The Black Guy voted him down.




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[Indeependent]

Everybody just stop pharting already!

 

[jon_berzerk]

Within 5 years the AGW Cult will blame CO2 for the cooling

of course they will

 

[Care4all]

I thought I had watched one of those history channel or discovery channel documentaries that said the global warming is what brings on the global freezing again...

in layman's terms it goes something like this....
the warming melts the Glaciers which flow in to the Atlantic up here which shuts down the warmer gulf-stream from crossing the Atlantic to the EU/Britain thru currents that are keeping them warmer and the Thames river from freezing...

isn't that the gist of it?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The sun is going into minima. When the sun went into Maunder's Minima, the Thames froze and people were ice skating on the river.

History is a good bet on repeating itself.

Atlantic ocean warm circulations shifted this year and are no longer being pushed up over the Atlantic ridge into the arctic. This means the melting we have been seeing for the last 60 years is coming to an end, an abrupt end.

Solar minima and oceanic circulation changes.. exactly what happened in the 1700's..

 

[Billy_Bob]

LOL OK, another Silly Billy here. Well, at least you are not claiming atmospheric physicist credentials while posting in the manner of a retarded burger flipper.

You are an anonymous poster on an internet board. Without siting evidence from a credible source, you have no credibility. You can claim to be anything that you please. Napoleon, even. LOL

The silly little liar you are... Speaking out of your ass again? That shitty smell is disgusting..

You will just name call and post up the same old discredited shit and lie out of your ass.. Its what you do..

 

[Billy_Bob]

The sun is going into minima. When the sun went into Maunder's Minima, the Thames froze and people were ice skating on the river.

These Moon Bats are so stupid. They believe the climate of the earth is controlled by people driving around in SUVs, not the heat output of the sun.

What is the difference between control and influence? Do you think that increasing the level of CO2 concentration by 40% has had no effect on temperature?

Nope..

The historical models have CO2 emissions lagging temperature increases.

There have been times in our past when CO2 level were much higher and the earth cooler. There are times when the CO2 levels were lower and the temperature higher.

It is only a theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. In reality the chemistry is more complex than the computer models predict. That is why the Environmental wackos have to adjust data in order to prove the correlation.

Besides, humans have little effect on the CO2 balance of the earth.

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Damn, another dumb fuck. The CO2 cycle on Earth remained in balance for most of the interglacial, with very little variance. Yes, that is a lot of natural emission, and it was balanced by natural absorption. It was not until we started burning fossil fuels that we saw the increase in atmospheric CO2 and CH4. We have gone from 280 ppm of CO2 to 410 ppm, and increase of 130 ppm. The difference between a glacial period, 180 ppm, and and the present interglacial, 280 ppm, is 120 ppm. So, how the hell do you come up with the stupidity that adding 130 ppm is not going to make a difference?

Also, we moved the amount of CH4 in the atmosphere from about 750 ppb to over 1800 ppb. On a decadal scale, CH4 is about 100 times as effective GHG as CO2. And when it oxidizes in the atmosphere, the products are H20 and CO2, both GHGs.

And not one lick of empirical evidence and cause linkage is proven.. Your posting up modeling as if it were true and factual.. Come on fucktard, post up the science proving the linkage.. You cant because it hasn't been done. All you have is failed modeling that can not predict shit...

 

[Flash]

The sun is going into minima. When the sun went into Maunder's Minima, the Thames froze and people were ice skating on the river.

These Moon Bats are so stupid. They believe the climate of the earth is controlled by people driving around in SUVs, not the heat output of the sun.

What is the difference between control and influence? Do you think that increasing the level of CO2 concentration by 40% has had no effect on temperature?

Nope..

The historical models have CO2 emissions lagging temperature increases.

There have been times in our past when CO2 level were much higher and the earth cooler. There are times when the CO2 levels were lower and the temperature higher.

It is only a theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. In reality the chemistry is more complex than the computer models predict. That is why the Environmental wackos have to adjust data in order to prove the correlation.

Besides, humans have little effect on the CO2 balance of the earth.

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Damn, another dumb fuck. The CO2 cycle on Earth remained in balance for most of the interglacial, with very little variance. Yes, that is a lot of natural emission, and it was balanced by natural absorption. It was not until we started burning fossil fuels that we saw the increase in atmospheric CO2 and CH4. We have gone from 280 ppm of CO2 to 410 ppm, and increase of 130 ppm. The difference between a glacial period, 180 ppm, and and the present interglacial, 280 ppm, is 120 ppm. So, how the hell do you come up with the stupidity that adding 130 ppm is not going to make a difference?

Also, we moved the amount of CH4 in the atmosphere from about 750 ppb to over 1800 ppb. On a decadal scale, CH4 is about 100 times as effective GHG as CO2. And when it oxidizes in the atmosphere, the products are H20 and CO2, both GHGs.

During the late Ordovician period about 500 million years ago the earth almost completely frozen over. The CO2 was about 3,000 - 5,000 PPM, about ten times what it is now. There are many more examples but more recently during the Medieval Warming period the CO2 was about 30% lower than what it is now but the earth warmer than what it is now.

There is no proof that CO2 causes global warming and there is less proof that the man made portion of that cause global warming. Just some half ass correlation that is often significantly flawed like the cherry picked ice core samples that were debunked in Al Gore's stupid book or the false temperature data put out by NOAA or NASA under the Obama administration.

Substantial historical data indicates that CO2 doesn't lead temperature rise, its lags. You should see how the AGW scam artist try to dance around that one

Water vapor in the atmosphere, the output of the sun, earth's orbital cycles, natural methane release and volcanic activity and orther natural factors control the climate of the earth, not my gas guzzling V-8 Tundra pick up truck or your air conditioning.

Many of these scientist that make good money on the scam have invented data to keep the scam going. It is really despicable how they have distorted about the science. We found that out big time when the Climategate I & II emails were leaked. Blatant creation of false data. Then we found out the UN falsified their data. Then on top of that during the Obama Administration we found out that the asshole used NASA and NOAA to fabricate temperature data.

As an Environmental Engineer who has made his living ofr 30 years cleaning up real pollution and have taught Environmental Science classes at the university level I have no trouble believing in man made global warming if it was real. It is what it is and we just have to deal with it as a cost of industrialization and population growth. However, the science simply does support the fact that man made CO2 emission causes significant climate changes.

Don't be a gullible Moon Bat. Think for yourself for a change. Question the motive behind the scam. Follow the money and the political reasons. I am not going spend time posting tons of Google links that you will just ignore anyhow. This AGW bullshit has become a religion for you Moon Bats and no amount of real science is going to change your mind.

The Environmental Wackos have to make up data because teal science does not support the AGW scam.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If CO2 keeps going up, warming is inevitable.

Prove it. But if you can't prove it, why do you believe it?

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

That is a website of the American Institute of Physics, the single biggest scientific society in the world. It was recognized in the 1820's by Joseph Fourier that there was something in the atmosphere that was absorbing heat. In 1859, John Tyndall measured the IR absorption of the various GHG's in the atmosphere. In 1896, Svante Arrhenius calculated the effect of doubling the CO2 in the atmosphere. Since then, there have been many, many scientific studies concerning the affects of increasing the level of GHG's in the atmosphere. All show that it leads to warming.

When we look back at the geologic history of the Earth, we see that times of high GHG levels were very warm times for the Earth, and that the times when there was rapid changes in the GHG's were times of extinction.

You are inadvertently making the point that we simply don't know much about climate change. You say, "... times of high GHG levels were very warm times for the Earth, and that the times when there was rapid changes in the GHG's were times of extinction," but GHG are absorbed by the oceans and when the oceans freeze the gases are trapped, but when the ice melts the gases are released so are the higher GHG's the cause of warming or the result of it? There are only two things we know for sure about "global warming": first, that we know very little about it and second, that any measures that increase the cost of energy will retard development of the third world and that will cost lives. All the rest is speculation.

In what we like to consider more primitive times, when populations were faced with what they believed were impending disasters, they made sacrifices to their gods in the hope of avoiding expected disasters, and the frenzy to create international agreements that increase the cost of energy will have the same effect of offering human sacrifices in the hope of avoiding a disaster we do not understand.

 

[mamooth]

So, a second thread on this. Deniers are reliable parrots, if nothing else. When the orders go out to spread the official cult talking points, they all run to obey, like the good cultists they are. No matter. The first thread got hijacked by a denier chemtrails kook, so we could use another.

The article mentioned by the OP quotes two denier kooks. There aren't any reputable scientists saying an ice age is coming, because it's such stupid thing to say. Thus, almost all of the deniers say it. Deniers have been predicting "Ice age tomorrow!" for 40 years now, while the sensible scientists have been predicting warming all that time.

The deniers were wrong, the scientists were right. Does that fact bother the deniers at all? Nope. They write it off to a conspiracy. They're still sure their HolyIceAge will be here real soon, just you wait.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If CO2 keeps going up, warming is inevitable.

Prove it. But if you can't prove it, why do you believe it?

It's already been proven.

If you got through a 6th grade General Science class, you learned about photosynthesis. You also learned that the human body is built to breath NOT to take in O2 but to blow off toxic CO2.

I don't understand how this is being questioned in the 21st century.


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Your response is not enlightened but primitive. We understand little about the process of climate change, and and by being so desperate for a sense of certainty you are behaving just as primitive peoples behaved when faced with phenomena they didn't understand. What we know for sure is that anything that increases the cost of energy will retard development in much of the world, and this will cost lives.

 

[mamooth]

I was an Environmental Engineer for 30 year before I retired.

Then you have no exucse for sucking so badly at every bit of science and logic.

But hey, maybe you're right. Maybe the whole planet is wrong, and a tiny group of bitter weepy fringe cultists like you are the only people on the planet to see the RealTruth.

I bet it makes you feel all important and special to believe that. You can sit on your butt and do nothing, and proclaim that you're the big hero. Playing on your emotions like that is how cults reel in the lazy and weak-minded.

By the way, those who can talk about the science don't have to scream about politics. The real science isn't political. It crosses all political boundaries all around the world.

Denialism? It's restricted to some conservative barking kooks in the english -speaking world. In contrast to real science, denialism is 100% political. Denialism isn't actually the cult. Conservative snowflakism is the cult, and denialism is just one of the required holy cult beliefs.

 

[mamooth]

During the late Ordovician period about 500 million years ago the earth almost completely frozen over. The CO2 was about 3,000 - 5,000 PPM, about ten times what it is now.

And the sun was 5% dimmer. Oh, snap. Your cult didn't tell you that, and you don't know it if your cult doesn't feed it to you. You just proved CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas, because there's no other way the earth could have melted out with such a dim sun.

There are many more examples but more recently during the Medieval Warming period the CO2 was about 30% lower than what it is now but the earth warmer than what it is now.

Bzzt. Big lie. The world is much warmer now than it was during the MWP. Hate to break it to you, but essentally all of your "facts" are cult myths. It's a pity you always believed what you were told without questioning it, and never even considered fact-checking.

There is no proof that CO2 causes global warming

Of course there is. Stratospheric cooling, increase in backradiation, decrease in outgoing longwave in the GHG bands. There are no natural explanations for such things. They are smoking guns for greenhouse-gas caused global warming.

And if you don't know what those terms mean, you shouldn't be bothering the grownups.

and there is less proof that the man made portion of that cause global warming.

Absolutely wrong, as isotope ratios show the human origin of the CO2. Your perfect record of getting it wrong remains perfect.

Just some half ass correlation that is often significantly flawed like the cherry picked ice core samples that were debunked in Al Gore's stupid book or the false temperature data put out by NOAA or NASA under the Obama administration.

If all the data didn't say you were a cult fraud, you wouldn't have to auto-deny all the data. That's why you're called deniers. If it's inconvenient to the dogma of your political cult, you simply deny it, no thought required.

Substantial historical data indicates that CO2 doesn't lead temperature rise, its lags. You should see how the AGW scam artist try to dance around that one

Shakun (2013) says you're wrong. Your record of perfect failure remain unblemished.

Water vapor in the atmosphere, the output of the sun, earth's orbital cycles, natural methane release and volcanic activity and orther natural factors control the climate of the earth, not my gas guzzling V-8 Tundra pick up truck or your air conditioning.

All those natural factors had the earth cooling for the past 8000 years, and were continuing to push the earth towards cooling. Being that the current fast warming is in direct opposition to the natural cycle, it's really stupid to claim the warming is natural.

Many of these scientist that make good money on the scam have invented data to keep the scam going.

A cult bleater like you isn't worthy to sniff the jocks of those scientists. They're brilliant and honest, while you're stupid and corrupt.

Follow the money. All of it is going to the denier frauds you worship. Any scientist could get rich accepting denier bribes. They don't. They refuse your bribes, and that gives them even more credibility. On your side, all of your boys take those bribes. In contrast to the reputable scientists, almost everyone pushing denialism is getting paid specifically to push denialism.

Now, you? You're a lost cause. Like all deniers, you run solely on emotion. Getting the approval of your fellow political cultists is what drives you. The world will keep warming strongly, because that's what the science says, so the excuses you'll have to come up with will get crazier and funnier. That's why you're just comic relief now.