FDR's Military Acumen Saved Soldiers?

[JakeStarkey]

Spoonman understands that communism and Russian traditional imperialism drove the USSR desire to put as much conquered territory as possible between Mother Russia and the West.

 

[Old Rocks]

The rightwingnuts are still reeling from the beating the FDR gave them. And now, they are trying their best to forget the recent beating the President Obama has twice given them.

Sorry, PC and all, you are not going to be allowed to take this nation back to the 19th Century.

 

[Unkotare]

The rightwingnuts are still reeling from the beating the FDR gave them. .

What he gave a beating to was the US Constitution, American principles, decency, the balance of power, and US citizens in general. Not to mention current and future generations of Americans burdened with an unsustainable, untenable obligation.

 

[Spoonman]

The rightwingnuts are still reeling from the beating the FDR gave them. And now, they are trying their best to forget the recent beating the President Obama has twice given them.

Sorry, PC and all, you are not going to be allowed to take this nation back to the 19th Century.

yes, I guess its better we stay in the decay and decadence of todays world. we are so much better on entitlements then actually working and creating something. The world is such a better place when we don't believe in god but feel its ok to kill cops, gang rape young girls but have the good sense to video it and post it on the internet. be in trillions of dollars of debt. instead of being a leading nation growing stronger, watching others catch up and pass us by as we decline. we are in such a better place because of progressive ideas.

Obama didn't give the right a beating, he gave America a beating.

 

[Trajan]

FDR's buying the sunny Italian excursion from Churchill was a big miss, even larger, was sptting Macarthur's return to the Philippines, Nimitz's plan was superior, there was no need or military reason to re-take it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, grow up. Who thinks it is mainstream to kill cops? Most of us believe in God, and it is the constitutional right to not believe in God, right, Spoonman? Nobody but idiots believe young girls should be raped, today or in the 19th century. We decline because the reactionary far right does its best to hold the US down. We don't want to go back to slavery, ageism, sexism, child labor, and etc.

Grow up.

 

[Spoonman]

Oh, grow up. Who thinks it is mainstream to kill cops? Most of us believe in God, and it is the constitutional right to not believe in God, right, Spoonman? Nobody but idiots believe young girls should be raped, today or in the 19th century. We decline because the reactionary far right does its best to hold the US down. We don't want to go back to slavery, ageism, sexism, child labor, and etc.

Grow up.

before liberal douchebags reared their ugly heads in the 70's we didn't have these problems. if anyone is reactionary it the left wing. don't believe in god, that's your business, but don't try to tell me how when and where I choose to exercise my faith. don't like guns, don't own want. isn't that the philosophy the left wing lunatics preach when trying to make their point? to bad they can't practice what they preach. but hypocrites rarely can. no instead the left wing reactionaries try to ban guns and infringe on constitutional rights. but then the true reactionaries always have been the far left fringe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have had ''douche bags' in all decades, Spoonman.

Who is telling you when and where to exercise your faith? You simply can't infringe on your neighbor in tax-supported public places.

I own guns, and Obama, although he doesn't like the 2nd A, can't get around it.

I agree the far left radicals and the far right reactionaries have to be pushed down so we can all enjoy our civil liberties.

ps: learn definitions

 

[Spoonman]

We have had ''douche bags' in all decades, Spoonman.

Who is telling you when and where to exercise your faith? You simply can't infringe on your neighbor in tax-supported public places.

I own guns, and Obama, although he doesn't like the 2nd A, can't get around it.

I agree the far left radicals and the far right reactionaries have to be pushed down so we can all enjoy our civil liberties.

ps: learn definitions

I can't say a prayer, which is my constitutional right and one of the primary principles this country was founded on but I can be expected to sit and listen to lectures on gay sex in these same tax supported public places. hmmm, what is wrong with that picture?

Executive order. Obama is not the only reactionary causing the problems. just look at laws recently passed in NY. Look at the laws in California and a hos of other liberal reactionary states. All of the infringing on the rights of gun owners. If Obama controlled both houses, we would be looking at a much different tolerance level on gun owners rights right now. fortunately progressive thinking republicans in the house did not allow that to happen. true progressives protect our constitutional rights.

I will agree with you on the last point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You can say a prayer in any public classroom in America as long as you don't infringe on your neighbor or disrupt the educational process.

Radical, generally association with the left and liberal positions.

Reactionary, generally associated with the conservative's far, far right.

If we help the reactionaries of the far right to win primaries, we in the GOP will lose elections, then watch what Dear Leader will do.

 

[Flopper]

How about the end of slavery? Or how about the end of racial segregation which the Democrats fought tooth and nail against? Or how about the EPA? Nixon of all people brought the EPA and NOAA into existence.

If you're going to remain an ignorant twerp do it somewhere else.

Southern Democrats fraught to keep segregation alive. Northern Democrats did not. In fact their support of blacks cost them the South. Both Republicans and Democrats have strongly supported the EPA until recent years.

"In fact their support of blacks cost them [Democrats] the South."

Utter nonsense.

No doubt you learned same at the feet of a Liberal school marm.



1. Liberal neurotic obsession with this apocryphal notion- it’s been cited hundreds of times in the NYTimes- is supposed to explain why Democrats can’t get nice churchgoing, patriotic southerners to vote for the party of antiwar protesters, abortion, the ACLU and gay marriage.

a. They tell themselves it’s because they won’t stoop to pander to a bunch of racists. This slander should probably be the first clue as to why southerners don’t like them.

b. The central premise of this folklore is that anyone who votes Republican is a racist. Pretty sophisticated thinking.





2. Second, the South kept voting for Democrats for decades after that 1964 act. And, btw, Democrats continued to win a plurality of votes in southern congressional elections for the next 30 years…right up to 1994.
"GOP Poised to Reap Redistricting Rewards" by Michael Barone on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

a. Between ’48 and ’88, Republicans never won a majority of the Dixiecrat states, outside of two 49-state landslides. Any loses in the South are directly attributable to their championing abortion, gays in the military, Christian-bashing, springing criminals, attacks on guns, dovish foreign policy, ‘save the whales/kill the humans environmentalism….certainly not race!

b. Rather than the Republicans winning the Dixiecrat vote, the Dixiecrats simply died out. By contrast, Democrats kept winning the alleged “segregationist” states into the ‘90’s. If states were voting for Goldwater out of racism, what of Carter’s 1976 sweep of all the Goldwater states?

Covered fully in "Mugged," Coulter.



Hint:
Know why they were called 'Dixiecrats,' not 'Republicrats' or 'Dixiecans'?


Did you know that Senate Democrats blocked every anti-lynching bill the Republicans offered?
True story.



Too late for you to learn?

I'm not trying to point out that Republicans were any more racist than Democrats. However, beginning in 1960's the GOP got a big boost when southerns began voting Republican, first in national elections and then state and local elections.

The shift from Democrat to Republican in the South began in the mid 1960’s with the civil rights act, first presidential elections, then gubernatorial elections and finally the legislatures. However it all began with the passage of the civil rights bill.

In presidential elections:
After reconstruction and prior to the introduction of the civil rights act, the southern states voted for Democrat presidential candidates in 95% of the elections. In fact several states, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina had never voted Republican after reconstruction until the Civil Rights Act was passed.

After the introduction of the civil rights bill, almost every southern state voted Republican in presidential elections with the exception of the Carter and Clinton election. Alabama and Mississippi have never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate since the civil rights bill was passed.

List of United States presidential election results by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In gubernatorial elections, the South started turning to Republicans in 1966 with Republican wins in Arkansas and Florida, followed by Kentucky in 1967, and North Carolina in 1973. Beginning in 1980, the remainder of the Southern states began electing a steady stream of Republican governors.

Solid South - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ThirdTerm]

Churchill, whose memories of British losses during World War I at Gallipoli in Turkey made him resistant to an amphibious attack on France, preferred what he called the soft underbelly strategy of attacking German power through Italy and the Balkans. But because Britain had become the least powerful of the Allies as America’s role in the fighting expanded and Britain’s shrank, he had to give in to Roosevelt and Stalin’s pressure for the 1944 D-Day invasion of France. Churchill demonstrated Britain’s diminished power by traveling to Moscow in October 1944 to make a sphere-of-influence agreement with Stalin about their degrees of control in postwar eastern and southeastern Europe. At the meeting, Churchill and Stalin made the “percentage’s agreement” describing how much say each of them would have over Romania (90 percent Soviet, 10 percent British); Bulgaria (75 percent Soviet, 25 percent British); Yugoslavia (50 percent each); and Greece (90 percent Britain and the United States). “Might it not be thought rather cynical if it seemed we had disposed of these issues, so fateful to millions of people, in such an offhand manner?” Churchill asked Stalin. “Let us burn the paper,” Churchill proposed. “No,” replied Stalin, who was eager to have a record of Churchill’s readiness to concede Soviet control over so much of Europe. “You keep it.”

WWII Behind Closed Doors: Stalin, the Nazis and the West . In Depth . Uneasy Allies | PBS

 

[editec]

The VICTORS divided the spoils, folks.

That is what PC is bitching about.

It confuses her that the soviets occupied much of Eastern and central Europe.

She imagines that somehow England and the USA were supposed to drive the Soviet troops out of those nations\.

She imagines that they could have, I suppose.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Southern Democrats fraught to keep segregation alive. Northern Democrats did not. In fact their support of blacks cost them the South. Both Republicans and Democrats have strongly supported the EPA until recent years.

"In fact their support of blacks cost them [Democrats] the South."

Utter nonsense.

No doubt you learned same at the feet of a Liberal school marm.



1. Liberal neurotic obsession with this apocryphal notion- it’s been cited hundreds of times in the NYTimes- is supposed to explain why Democrats can’t get nice churchgoing, patriotic southerners to vote for the party of antiwar protesters, abortion, the ACLU and gay marriage.

a. They tell themselves it’s because they won’t stoop to pander to a bunch of racists. This slander should probably be the first clue as to why southerners don’t like them.

b. The central premise of this folklore is that anyone who votes Republican is a racist. Pretty sophisticated thinking.





2. Second, the South kept voting for Democrats for decades after that 1964 act. And, btw, Democrats continued to win a plurality of votes in southern congressional elections for the next 30 years…right up to 1994.
"GOP Poised to Reap Redistricting Rewards" by Michael Barone on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

a. Between ’48 and ’88, Republicans never won a majority of the Dixiecrat states, outside of two 49-state landslides. Any loses in the South are directly attributable to their championing abortion, gays in the military, Christian-bashing, springing criminals, attacks on guns, dovish foreign policy, ‘save the whales/kill the humans environmentalism….certainly not race!

b. Rather than the Republicans winning the Dixiecrat vote, the Dixiecrats simply died out. By contrast, Democrats kept winning the alleged “segregationist” states into the ‘90’s. If states were voting for Goldwater out of racism, what of Carter’s 1976 sweep of all the Goldwater states?

Covered fully in "Mugged," Coulter.



Hint:
Know why they were called 'Dixiecrats,' not 'Republicrats' or 'Dixiecans'?


Did you know that Senate Democrats blocked every anti-lynching bill the Republicans offered?
True story.



Too late for you to learn?

I'm not trying to point out that Republicans were any more racist than Democrats. However, beginning in 1960's the GOP got a big boost when southerns began voting Republican, first in national elections and then state and local elections.

The shift from Democrat to Republican in the South began in the mid 1960’s with the civil rights act, first presidential elections, then gubernatorial elections and finally the legislatures. However it all began with the passage of the civil rights bill.

In presidential elections:
After reconstruction and prior to the introduction of the civil rights act, the southern states voted for Democrat presidential candidates in 95% of the elections. In fact several states, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina had never voted Republican after reconstruction until the Civil Rights Act was passed.

After the introduction of the civil rights bill, almost every southern state voted Republican in presidential elections with the exception of the Carter and Clinton election. Alabama and Mississippi have never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate since the civil rights bill was passed.

List of United States presidential election results by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In gubernatorial elections, the South started turning to Republicans in 1966 with Republican wins in Arkansas and Florida, followed by Kentucky in 1967, and North Carolina in 1973. Beginning in 1980, the remainder of the Southern states began electing a steady stream of Republican governors.

Solid South - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators to vote against the 1964 act. He did so on libertarian grounds, opposed to the act’s restrictions on private property which he believed beyond the Congress’s powers under the commerce clause. Five others supported the party’s presidential nominee.

a. Goldwater went on to win five southern states in 1964: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. But he lost eight.

b. Democrats build the ‘southern strategy’ tale on the fact that the same states voted for ‘Dixiecrat’ Strom Thurmond in 1948 (less Georgia).

c. Except that Nixon and Reagan lost, or almost lost the same states in ’68 and ’80…

d. And Jimmy Carter and Clinton did pretty well in those states in ’76 and ’92.

e. And the Goldwater states went right back to voting Democrat for decades…



2. "I'm not trying to point out that Republicans were any more racist than Democrats."
That's not strong enough.
The implication is that they were equally 'racist.'
Not true....the Democrats were the racist party.....the KKK was their military wing...and I'd be happy to document same.

So…if Republicans were racists and got racist southerners to vote for them, how to explain this: Republicans always did best in the southern states that Goldwater lost, which happened to be the same ones Republicans had been winning with some regularity since 1928.

a. In ’28, ’52, ’56, and ’60, Republicans generally won Virginia, Florida, Texas, Kentucky and sometimes North Carolina or Louisiana. Did you notice that those years were before 1964, the so-called 'turning point'?

b. Four years after Goldwater, the segregationist vote went right back to Democrats: Humphrey got half of Wallace’s supporters on election day. Nixon got none of ‘em. “When the '68 campaign began, Nixon was at 42 percent, Humphrey at 29 percent, Wallace at 22 percent. When it ended, Nixon and Humphrey were tied at 43 percent, with Wallace at 13 percent. The 9 percent of the national vote that had been peeled off from Wallace had gone to Humphrey.” The neocons & Nixon's southern strategy - Pat Buchanan - Page 1

c. In ’76, Carter swept the South. Was Carter appealing to bigots….or is that only the case when Republicans win the South?




3. Reagan lost or barely won the Goldwater states…but Reagan won among young southern voters- but lost among seniors, those who has voted in ’48 and ’64. That meant that the segregationists never abandoned the Democrats: eventually they died or were outvoted by younger voters. Nope…after Thurmond’s run, the Dixiecrats went right back to voting for Democrats for another half century.




4. In writing about McGovern and Wallace, liberal luminary, Arthur Schlesinger, actually referred to Wallace voters as responding to their candidate’s “integrity”! “The primaries themselves, especially the success of McGovern and Wallace, provide the best evidence for the proposition that voters in 1972 care less about a candidate's stand on particular issues than they do about the candidate's integrity,…” How McGovern Will Win


a. McGovern gave a tip-of-the-hat to the segregationist Wallace in his acceptance speech at the Democrat Convention. That was the exact midpoint between Goldwater and Reagan. So…what of the imaginary “southern strategy” where the Republicans were supposed to have a plan to appeal to racists?

b. Democrat McGovern: “And I was as moved as well by the appearance in the Convention Hall of the Governor of Alabama, George Wallace. … Governor, we pray for your full recovery so you can stand up and speak out for all of those who see you as their champion.”
ACCEPTANCE SPEECH OF SENATOR GEORGE MCGOVERN


Covered pretty fully in chapter 12 if "Mugged," Coulter



And....I'd be more than happy...in fact ecstatic .....to remind of the racist history of Bill Clinton.
Just say the word.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The VICTORS divided the spoils, folks.

That is what PC is bitching about.

It confuses her that the soviets occupied much of Eastern and central Europe.

She imagines that somehow England and the USA were supposed to drive the Soviet troops out of those nations\.

She imagines that they could have, I suppose.

Au contraire.

I'm standing up for America and the Constitution, attempting the improbable: educating folks who have a love-crush on an imperial dictator, who had no problem with his pals being homicidal sociopaths.



You might want to consider that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC simply can't answer the charges with clear, objective narrative and facts.

Tis what tis.

Unsubscribe.

 

[Spoonman]

Spoonman understands that communism and Russian traditional imperialism drove the USSR desire to put as much conquered territory as possible between Mother Russia and the West.

a major flaw in FDR's policy don't you think? How could he have missed this and allowed the perfect situation for stalin's land grab to exist? He gave him the situation which would be the kick off point for future wars, future loss of American lives, the start of the cold war, countless dollars and time spent trying to combat it. that simple oversight of communism and Russian traditional imperialism cost the rest of the world a countless sum. one of the major failures in modern political policies.

 

[Spoonman]

You can say a prayer in any public classroom in America as long as you don't infringe on your neighbor or disrupt the educational process.

Radical, generally association with the left and liberal positions.

Reactionary, generally associated with the conservative's far, far right.

If we help the reactionaries of the far right to win primaries, we in the GOP will lose elections, then watch what Dear Leader will do.

but I have to sit and listen to a lecture on gay sexuality and that is not infringing on me? how did a prayer at the beginning of the day, Before the educational process started disrupt the educational process? no one forced you to participate. But you know what, kids who have no interest in hearing about homosexuality are forced to listen, or fail the class. Big difference there Jake. You are doing a very poor job of justifying your case here.

Attempting gun bans and institution gun limitations is not reactionary? that is reactionary, there is nothing radical about it. banning prayer in school because one atheist complained about it is reactionary. nothing radical about that.

I think you have your definitions confused here

 

[gipper]

Spoonman understands that communism and Russian traditional imperialism drove the USSR desire to put as much conquered territory as possible between Mother Russia and the West.

a major flaw in FDR's policy don't you think? How could he have missed this and allowed the perfect situation for stalin's land grab to exist? He gave him the situation which would be the kick off point for future wars, future loss of American lives, the start of the cold war, countless dollars and time spent trying to combat it. that simple oversight of communism and Russian traditional imperialism cost the rest of the world a countless sum. one of the major failures in modern political policies.

Yes and for this major failure, FDR should be roundly condemned. Yet, he is not. In fact, many on the Left and some on the right, consider him our greatest president. This is to say nothing of his unbelievable failure to end the Great Depression...in fact, he prolonged it with his absurdly ignorant and interventionist economic policies...much like the doofus in the WH is doing now.

How utterly ridiculous!!

This so called FDR Myth is a prefect example of statist brainwashing all Americans have been forced to endure. Sadly, it is but one of many.

Is it any wonder America is lead by fools?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Spoonman understands that communism and Russian traditional imperialism drove the USSR desire to put as much conquered territory as possible between Mother Russia and the West.

a major flaw in FDR's policy don't you think? How could he have missed this and allowed the perfect situation for stalin's land grab to exist? He gave him the situation which would be the kick off point for future wars, future loss of American lives, the start of the cold war, countless dollars and time spent trying to combat it. that simple oversight of communism and Russian traditional imperialism cost the rest of the world a countless sum. one of the major failures in modern political policies.

"Land grab" seems so antiseptic....almost pastoral.

Do you think Jakal is aware of the 22,000 shot, stabbed, hung, suffocated Polish army officers the Russians killed in the Katyn Forest?


Katyn massacre
Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There is so so so much Jakal doesn't know.
As he is pretty much a fool....maybe he doesn't know about it.
Of course, his ilk is exactly what the Left looks for.


The Russians, of course, blamed the Nazis.....and the FDR administration, in cycles, turned a blind eye, and agreed that the Nazis did it.

Stalin did it.....FDR's Bff.