FDR

[Unkotare]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

 

[Camp]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

 

[Unkotare]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

There must be a reason you won't call them what they were.

 

[buckeye45_73]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

 

[buckeye45_73]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

There must be a reason you won't call them what they were.

He thinks concentration camps are death camps......he's a moron

 

[Unkotare]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

There must be a reason you won't call them what they were.

He thinks concentration camps are death camps......he's a moron

Or at least a well-trained drone.

 

[Camp]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

There must be a reason you won't call them what they were.

He thinks concentration camps are death camps......he's a moron

Actually, I understand that there are different kinds of concentration camps.

 

[buckeye45_73]

...You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps [sic] in the US ......

"Concentration camps" are what fdr called them, and what IN FACT they were.

And the quote was that to compare is not to equate.

There must be a reason you won't call them what they were.

He thinks concentration camps are death camps......he's a moron

Actually, I understand that there are different kinds of concentration camps.

Good, then you know internment camps is another way of saying concentration camps

 

[Camp]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

 

[buckeye45_73]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

He threaten the Supreme Court to pass his facism. I.mean he was a fascist through and through

 

[Moonglow]

The thread is about you attempting to compare FDR to totalitarian dictators because during that time period in history governments were experimenting with ways to shape and create economies and systems that would solve the difficulties of the Great Depression and install systems that would prevent such occurrences from happening again. The comparisons are easy to make, but you, as the right wing always does on this topic, leave out the tenets of the European fascist that FDR and America rejected.

Of course, those dictators liked to compare and highlight the similarities being adapted in the US. It was good propaganda. It gave the appearance that America was endorsing the dictators. FDR did not mind pointing out some of those similarities that could work in the US. He made it clear he would try anything that might solve the problems of the day including the adoption of socialist programs that were compatible with free market capitalism and which still exist in America 80 years after they were adopted.

Your link that leads to a review of the work of Wolfgang Shivelbush explains the points you omit that clearly show the difference between what was going on in America and what was going on in Italy and Germany.

"To compare is not the same as to equate. America during Roosevelt's New Deal did not become a one-party state; it had no secret police; the constitution remained in force; there were no concentration camps; the New Deal preserved the liberal-democratic systems that National Socialism abolished." Wolfgang Shivelbusch

America did not adopt the horrors and corruption of the fascist states in Europe.

Did you really say "there were no concentration camps," you shameless fucking liar?

"the constitution remained in force"? You have allowed your obsessive idol-worship to strip you of all self-respect. What a disgrace.

You are such a jerk. I quoted Wolfgang Shivilbusch. The quote is in parenthesis and followed by his name, clearly a quote. Furthermore, Shivelbusch was referring to the pre-war era of the 1930's.
As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.

Shivelbush said, "to compare is not to equate". You should pay attention to that quote when it comes to Japanese internment camps in the US and Hitler's concentration camps. In fact, it kind of sucks that you compare the injustices done to Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor with what happened to the Jews after Hitler came to power. There is barely a comparison. The Jews prayed to get treatment like the Japanese interned in the US. You should be ashamed of constantly demanding that Japanese Americans suffered the way European Jew's suffered and persistently try to equate American Japanese camps with Nazi death camps.

Before the Holocaust ramped up...Jews were stripped of rights and herded into.ghettos and camps like the Japanese were. It's a similar idea....no fdr wasn't going to put japs in ovens or toxic showers or even kill them with shooting squads....but the internment program was very Nazi like in controlling the population and in removing their freedom

It was not a similar idea. The Japanese were removed from the west coast because of fears regarding espionage and sabotage, with unfair promotion from west coast business interest who profited from the seizure of Japanese property.
There is no argument that the Japanese internment camps were and are black marks in American history, but they surely do not compare to Hitler's camps in their purpose or function.

They were made.scapegoats like the jews...they had propert uh seized like the jews...they were put in camps like the jews...it was a very fascist thing to do and continues to prove my point, progressivism is the ideology of not only communism, but fascism.

Yeah, the US was being benevolent when they interned the Indians also...So the entire history of the US is one of fascism and nazism, oh yeah and communism..Derp

 

[sakinago]

Like I said facism is left wing, started by socialist Mussolini and "progressed" even further through the National Socialist Party........time for a new con democrats.

Gott Damm you are dumm.

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do understand the the American left and right differs from the European left and right? Clearly you're the dumb one, yes fascism in, European terms, is far right, but in the American political spectrum is far left. In European terms, a centrist would be considered a libertarian, leftist a communist, and far right fascist. Far right in America is a libertarian, the more left you get it goes from democrat, to progressive, to socialist, to national socialist (fascist), to communist.

 

[regent]

I think conservatives are on to something with this ability to define economic and political systems as they believe them to be. Is there any group that defines these ideologies accurately?

 

[sakinago]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps within the realm of the constitution/BOR?? Seriously...how can you claim he acted within the constitution/BOR and still understand that internment camps were created under his rule??? Please explain that rationale

 

[Unkotare]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps ......

He had concentration camps built. To throw AMERICAN CITIZENS into.

 

[Camp]

...
As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps within the realm of the constitution/BOR?? Seriously...how can you claim he acted within the constitution/BOR and still understand that internment camps were created under his rule??? Please explain that rationale

Well, it comes down to the Korematsu v. United States, and that opens an interesting debate. The camps were ruled Constitutional by SCOTUS in '44, but subsequent rulings and debates question the ruling. Technically, the Korematsu ruling was constitutional, but the argument against it is a strong one. However strong that argument may be, it was held constitutional at the time.

 

[buckeye45_73]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps within the realm of the constitution/BOR?? Seriously...how can you claim he acted within the constitution/BOR and still understand that internment camps were created under his rule??? Please explain that rationale

Well, it comes down to the Korematsu v. United States, and that opens an interesting debate. The camps were ruled Constitutional by SCOTUS in '44, but subsequent rulings and debates question the ruling. Technically, the Korematsu ruling was constitutional, but the argument against it is a strong one. However strong that argument may be, it was held constitutional at the time.

That's fine....I understand the paranoia....but it still doesn't make it right.....The great US Supreme Court upheld slavery and Jim Crow....they make mistakes.

 

[regent]

Wonder if using these definitions, military posts could be called concentration camps?

 

[sakinago]

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As far as the constitution goes, the US Constitution stayed in force during FDR. He passed legislation that challenged it, but he always followed the rulings of the court when they passed judgment. You can not name a single time FDR did not adhere to the rulings of SCOTUS.....

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps within the realm of the constitution/BOR?? Seriously...how can you claim he acted within the constitution/BOR and still understand that internment camps were created under his rule??? Please explain that rationale

Well, it comes down to the Korematsu v. United States, and that opens an interesting debate. The camps were ruled Constitutional by SCOTUS in '44, but subsequent rulings and debates question the ruling. Technically, the Korematsu ruling was constitutional, but the argument against it is a strong one. However strong that argument may be, it was held constitutional at the time.

No the constitution was ignored at the time...from a directive from FDR. The courts did not uphold the constitution either. Two groups doing something wrong does not make it constitutional when the BILL OF RIGHTS ARE IGNORED. That's the big kicker here, govt completely violated its greatest directive and over stepped its bounds. This wasn't even an issue of the country collapsing like the 3/5s compromise was, or the intitial allowing of slavery, bc lets be honest, we would not be a country if we said no to slavery, like almost all the founders wanted to do.

FDR was right about the axis powers threat to the world. But he was the president for 10 years before that, and pretty much was given any legilslation he wanted passed. But his vision did not work in America, and we suffered the GREAT depression. Everywhere else it was just a depression. He did not cause it, but he didn't really help us out of it either. And just 10 years prior to that, there was a depression that by every metric should have been 3 times worse than the Great Depression...but that self corrected and then even flourished within 18 months. I think FDR did what he thought best, but his thinking was that govt needed to reign in the markets/business/people etc. history has shown us he was wrong on that point.

 

[regent]

You continue to be a shameless sack-sucker for your idol. The US Constitution that he treated like toilet paper? The Supreme Court that he brought to heel like whipped dogs after his court-packing threat? If you had any self-respect you wouldn't be so disingenuous.

Great post, he is either stupid, uninformed, or dishonest

I asked for an example of anytime FDR did not follow the ruling of SCOTUS and adhere to that ruling. None has been provided. For FDR to have trashed the Constitution would mean he ignored rulings by the body that determine's the constitutionality of legislation or government actions.

So he created interment camps within the realm of the constitution/BOR?? Seriously...how can you claim he acted within the constitution/BOR and still understand that internment camps were created under his rule??? Please explain that rationale

Well, it comes down to the Korematsu v. United States, and that opens an interesting debate. The camps were ruled Constitutional by SCOTUS in '44, but subsequent rulings and debates question the ruling. Technically, the Korematsu ruling was constitutional, but the argument against it is a strong one. However strong that argument may be, it was held constitutional at the time.

No the constitution was ignored at the time...from a directive from FDR. The courts did not uphold the constitution either. Two groups doing something wrong does not make it constitutional when the BILL OF RIGHTS ARE IGNORED. That's the big kicker here, govt completely violated its greatest directive and over stepped its bounds. This wasn't even an issue of the country collapsing like the 3/5s compromise was, or the intitial allowing of slavery, bc lets be honest, we would not be a country if we said no to slavery, like almost all the founders wanted to do.

FDR was right about the axis powers threat to the world. But he was the president for 10 years before that, and pretty much was given any legilslation he wanted passed. But his vision did not work in America, and we suffered the GREAT depression. Everywhere else it was just a depression. He did not cause it, but he didn't really help us out of it either. And just 10 years prior to that, there was a depression that by every metric should have been 3 times worse than the Great Depression...but that self corrected and then even flourished within 18 months. I think FDR did what he thought best, but his thinking was that govt needed to reign in the markets/business/people etc. history has shown us he was wrong on that point.

And yet the historians have named FDR one of the three top presidents of
America and recently as America's best. When FDR took office he promised he would try different things, he would experiment. There was no manual on how to survive or remedy a Great Depression, especially one that had gone on for three years with another president. Is there a manual or procedure today that would tell the president and legislature how to act?