FDR Admiration Society

[Dale Smith]

In terms of the economic recovery.....FDR "got it"

The recovery was not about economic indicators, bank stability or ensuring the capitalists led the recovery

It was about people. It was the lowest rung of our society that was doing most of the suffering. They had to be taken care of first.

Oh brother (face palms)..........

 

[regent]

[QUOTE armies of England and France would help. England staged their armies in Canada, France staged their's in Mexico...it was the Tsar of Russia that kept those two armies at bay because he positioned his naval fleet in the Atlantic ready to enter on behalf of the north should those two nations jump in.....

Here is a quote from Lincoln " The war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.”. Lincoln was killed by a Jesuit adjudicator and all ties to the Vatican were cut off for over 150 years and only reestablished by Reagan in 1984.

Sort of wondered where this was going. Are we now on track?

 

[Dale Smith]

[QUOTE armies of England and France would help. England staged their armies in Canada, France staged their's in Mexico...it was the Tsar of Russia that kept those two armies at bay because he positioned his naval fleet in the Atlantic ready to enter on behalf of the north should those two nations jump in.....

Here is a quote from Lincoln " The war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.”. Lincoln was killed by a Jesuit adjudicator and all ties to the Vatican were cut off for over 150 years and only reestablished by Reagan in 1984.

Sort of wondered where this was going. Are we now on track?

Unfortunately we are not....just need more people to wake up as to what is really going on....

 

[rightwinger]

But yet FDR made us indentured debt slaves after the Chaper 11 bankruptcy of USA.INC and the gold confiscation of the people under threat of imprisonment and a hefty fine in exchange for a fiat Federal Reserve note that was backed by nothing...people turned in their gold (a tangible asset) the foreign owned Fed bankers gave them a piece of paper....good trade, eh?

History shows FDR turned us into an economic and military superpower

FDR turned us into a modern democracy

No, FDR made us collateral on the debt with a bond created from our birth certificate. We were not founded as a democracy..a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. We were formed as a Republic and they are not mutually exclusive.

Very true

And FDRs policies kept the wolves at bay from the poor people

No, FDR caved into the bankers, made everyone born after 1935 "collateral" on a debt that he could have wiped away had he had the nads to tell the Fed bank to fuck off. He didn't even go after them when they tried to oust him with a fascist takeover in 1934. He cowered in fear that they would use their fiat currency to crash the economy that was still in the middle of the depression those POS caused.....you need to learn some real history and not the lies you were taught in school whose cirriculum was picked out for the masses ny tax free foundations tied to the Fed like the Rockefellers and Carnegies.

Tin foil hats all around

 

[PoliticalChic]

Most interesting. How did he do that? Please provide historical references.

Soviet deaths, over 10 million
US deaths in Europe, 200,000

Soviets killed 4 million Nazis, US killed 300,000 mostly through bombing raids

The Soviets faced the majority of the German Army on the Eastern Front. The Western Front was defended by fewer divisions and less than top notch troops

For all this, FDR ended up with all of Western Europe (the best part economically) the Soviets got to keep territory they fought and died for

I seriously doubt FDR ordered Hitler to invade the Soviet Union in order to have the Soviets do "90% of the fighting".

Each of your silly pronouncements surpasses the previous. You get a certain credit for constancy, I suppose.

In spite of Stalin's demands that we invade Europe as early as 1942, FDR held back on the invasion of France until June 1944. Every month that FDR held off invading cost Stalin tens of thousands of deaths and saved us thousands of deaths

"In late May 1942 the Soviet Union and the United States made a joint announcement that a "... full understanding was reached with regard to the urgent tasks of creating a second front in Europe in 1942." However, Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to postpone the promised invasion as, even with American help, the Allies did not have adequate forces for such a strike.

"Instead of an immediate return to France, the Western Allies staged offensives in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, where British troops were already stationed. By mid-1943, the campaign in North Africa had been won. The Allies then launched the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, and later invaded Italy in September 1943. By then, Soviet forces were on the offensive and had won a major victory at the Battle of Stalingrad. The decision to undertake a cross-channel invasion within the next year was taken at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943. Initial planning was constrained by the number of available landing craft, most of which were already committed in the Mediterranean and Pacific. At the Tehran Conference in November 1943, Roosevelt and Churchill promised Stalin that they would open the long-delayed second front in May 1944."
- Wikipedia.

The fate of the Soviet Union hung in the balance at Stalingrad. They desperately needed our intervention

And still, FDR held back....waiting for the "right time"

"The fate of the Soviet Union hung in the balance at Stalingrad. They desperately needed our intervention

And still, FDR held back....waiting for the "right time"

OMG!!!!

What nonsense.

Of course, Roosevelt lap-dogs have to claim that, or they can't explain Roosevelt's obeisance to Stalin.


Stalin was never.......never....going to lose to his former ally.



No, Germany would not have conquered the USSR.

Hitler knew that....and so must have Roosevelt.

Here are the facts:
.. when Operation Barbarossa started on June 22, 1941,the available (German) supplies of fuel, tires, spare parts etc., were only good enough for about two months.....

Stalin, in fact, had been supplying resources to Hitler.

The Wehrmacht continued to advance, albeitvery slowly, and by mid-Novembersome units found themselves at only 30 kilometers from the capital. But thetroops were now totally exhausted, and running out of supplies. Their commanders knew that it was simply impossible to take Moscow.
Hitler s Failed Blitzkrieg against the Soviet Union. The Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Turning Point of World War II Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
72 Years Ago, December 1941: Turning Point of World War II
'The Victory of the Red Army in front of Moscow was a Major Break'…
by Jacques Pauwels

"....realistically middle sized Germany could not defeat the much larger USSR in the long term. Germany would have eventually surrendered to the western allies to prevent total occupation by the USSR ..."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence(comment)



By attacking in June,Hitler had planned to avoid Russia's three greatest generals....December, January, and February.
He didn't.

 

[Dale Smith]

But yet FDR made us indentured debt slaves after the Chaper 11 bankruptcy of USA.INC and the gold confiscation of the people under threat of imprisonment and a hefty fine in exchange for a fiat Federal Reserve note that was backed by nothing...people turned in their gold (a tangible asset) the foreign owned Fed bankers gave them a piece of paper....good trade, eh?

History shows FDR turned us into an economic and military superpower

FDR turned us into a modern democracy

No, FDR made us collateral on the debt with a bond created from our birth certificate. We were not founded as a democracy..a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. We were formed as a Republic and they are not mutually exclusive.

Very true

And FDRs policies kept the wolves at bay from the poor people

No, FDR caved into the bankers, made everyone born after 1935 "collateral" on a debt that he could have wiped away had he had the nads to tell the Fed bank to fuck off. He didn't even go after them when they tried to oust him with a fascist takeover in 1934. He cowered in fear that they would use their fiat currency to crash the economy that was still in the middle of the depression those POS caused.....you need to learn some real history and not the lies you were taught in school whose cirriculum was picked out for the masses ny tax free foundations tied to the Fed like the Rockefellers and Carnegies.

Tin foil hats all around

I know more than you...deal with it......all your lame attempts at insulting me because I am more educated than you only makes me laugh at your ignorance.

 

[rightwinger]

History shows FDR turned us into an economic and military superpower

FDR turned us into a modern democracy

No, FDR made us collateral on the debt with a bond created from our birth certificate. We were not founded as a democracy..a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. We were formed as a Republic and they are not mutually exclusive.

Very true

And FDRs policies kept the wolves at bay from the poor people

No, FDR caved into the bankers, made everyone born after 1935 "collateral" on a debt that he could have wiped away had he had the nads to tell the Fed bank to fuck off. He didn't even go after them when they tried to oust him with a fascist takeover in 1934. He cowered in fear that they would use their fiat currency to crash the economy that was still in the middle of the depression those POS caused.....you need to learn some real history and not the lies you were taught in school whose cirriculum was picked out for the masses ny tax free foundations tied to the Fed like the Rockefellers and Carnegies.

Tin foil hats all around

I know more than you...deal with it......all your lame attempts at insulting me because I am more educated than you only makes me laugh at your ignorance.

Sure you are Fredo.....

 

[gipper]

History shows FDR turned us into an economic and military superpower

FDR turned us into a modern democracy

No, FDR made us collateral on the debt with a bond created from our birth certificate. We were not founded as a democracy..a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. We were formed as a Republic and they are not mutually exclusive.

Very true

And FDRs policies kept the wolves at bay from the poor people

No, FDR caved into the bankers, made everyone born after 1935 "collateral" on a debt that he could have wiped away had he had the nads to tell the Fed bank to fuck off. He didn't even go after them when they tried to oust him with a fascist takeover in 1934. He cowered in fear that they would use their fiat currency to crash the economy that was still in the middle of the depression those POS caused.....you need to learn some real history and not the lies you were taught in school whose cirriculum was picked out for the masses ny tax free foundations tied to the Fed like the Rockefellers and Carnegies.

Tin foil hats all around

I know more than you...deal with it......all your lame attempts at insulting me because I am more educated than you only makes me laugh at your ignorance.

Don't pay any attention to leftnutter. He is your typical statist loving Dem partisan.

 

[Dale Smith]

No, FDR made us collateral on the debt with a bond created from our birth certificate. We were not founded as a democracy..a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. We were formed as a Republic and they are not mutually exclusive.

Very true

And FDRs policies kept the wolves at bay from the poor people

No, FDR caved into the bankers, made everyone born after 1935 "collateral" on a debt that he could have wiped away had he had the nads to tell the Fed bank to fuck off. He didn't even go after them when they tried to oust him with a fascist takeover in 1934. He cowered in fear that they would use their fiat currency to crash the economy that was still in the middle of the depression those POS caused.....you need to learn some real history and not the lies you were taught in school whose cirriculum was picked out for the masses ny tax free foundations tied to the Fed like the Rockefellers and Carnegies.

Tin foil hats all around

I know more than you...deal with it......all your lame attempts at insulting me because I am more educated than you only makes me laugh at your ignorance.

Don't pay any attention to leftnutter. He is your typical statist loving Dem partisan.

Thanks for the "heads up"....seems like I am talking to a brick wall.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Unconstitutional.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Most interesting. How did he do that? Please provide historical references.

Soviet deaths, over 10 million
US deaths in Europe, 200,000

Soviets killed 4 million Nazis, US killed 300,000 mostly through bombing raids

The Soviets faced the majority of the German Army on the Eastern Front. The Western Front was defended by fewer divisions and less than top notch troops

For all this, FDR ended up with all of Western Europe (the best part economically) the Soviets got to keep territory they fought and died for

I seriously doubt FDR ordered Hitler to invade the Soviet Union in order to have the Soviets do "90% of the fighting".

Each of your silly pronouncements surpasses the previous. You get a certain credit for constancy, I suppose.

In spite of Stalin's demands that we invade Europe as early as 1942, FDR held back on the invasion of France until June 1944. Every month that FDR held off invading cost Stalin tens of thousands of deaths and saved us thousands of deaths

"In late May 1942 the Soviet Union and the United States made a joint announcement that a "... full understanding was reached with regard to the urgent tasks of creating a second front in Europe in 1942." However, Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to postpone the promised invasion as, even with American help, the Allies did not have adequate forces for such a strike.

"Instead of an immediate return to France, the Western Allies staged offensives in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, where British troops were already stationed. By mid-1943, the campaign in North Africa had been won. The Allies then launched the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, and later invaded Italy in September 1943. By then, Soviet forces were on the offensive and had won a major victory at the Battle of Stalingrad. The decision to undertake a cross-channel invasion within the next year was taken at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943. Initial planning was constrained by the number of available landing craft, most of which were already committed in the Mediterranean and Pacific. At the Tehran Conference in November 1943, Roosevelt and Churchill promised Stalin that they would open the long-delayed second front in May 1944."
- Wikipedia.

The fate of the Soviet Union hung in the balance at Stalingrad. They desperately needed our intervention

And still, FDR held back....waiting for the "right time"

Why do you continue to batter your own disproved argument? Are you psychotic?

 

[rightwinger]

Soviet deaths, over 10 million
US deaths in Europe, 200,000

Soviets killed 4 million Nazis, US killed 300,000 mostly through bombing raids

The Soviets faced the majority of the German Army on the Eastern Front. The Western Front was defended by fewer divisions and less than top notch troops

For all this, FDR ended up with all of Western Europe (the best part economically) the Soviets got to keep territory they fought and died for

I seriously doubt FDR ordered Hitler to invade the Soviet Union in order to have the Soviets do "90% of the fighting".

Each of your silly pronouncements surpasses the previous. You get a certain credit for constancy, I suppose.

In spite of Stalin's demands that we invade Europe as early as 1942, FDR held back on the invasion of France until June 1944. Every month that FDR held off invading cost Stalin tens of thousands of deaths and saved us thousands of deaths

"In late May 1942 the Soviet Union and the United States made a joint announcement that a "... full understanding was reached with regard to the urgent tasks of creating a second front in Europe in 1942." However, Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to postpone the promised invasion as, even with American help, the Allies did not have adequate forces for such a strike.

"Instead of an immediate return to France, the Western Allies staged offensives in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, where British troops were already stationed. By mid-1943, the campaign in North Africa had been won. The Allies then launched the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, and later invaded Italy in September 1943. By then, Soviet forces were on the offensive and had won a major victory at the Battle of Stalingrad. The decision to undertake a cross-channel invasion within the next year was taken at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943. Initial planning was constrained by the number of available landing craft, most of which were already committed in the Mediterranean and Pacific. At the Tehran Conference in November 1943, Roosevelt and Churchill promised Stalin that they would open the long-delayed second front in May 1944."
- Wikipedia.

The fate of the Soviet Union hung in the balance at Stalingrad. They desperately needed our intervention

And still, FDR held back....waiting for the "right time"

Why do you continue to batter your own disproved argument? Are you psychotic?

Your delusional alternative histories border on the psychotic




.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I seriously doubt FDR ordered Hitler to invade the Soviet Union in order to have the Soviets do "90% of the fighting".

Each of your silly pronouncements surpasses the previous. You get a certain credit for constancy, I suppose.

In spite of Stalin's demands that we invade Europe as early as 1942, FDR held back on the invasion of France until June 1944. Every month that FDR held off invading cost Stalin tens of thousands of deaths and saved us thousands of deaths

"In late May 1942 the Soviet Union and the United States made a joint announcement that a "... full understanding was reached with regard to the urgent tasks of creating a second front in Europe in 1942." However, Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to postpone the promised invasion as, even with American help, the Allies did not have adequate forces for such a strike.

"Instead of an immediate return to France, the Western Allies staged offensives in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, where British troops were already stationed. By mid-1943, the campaign in North Africa had been won. The Allies then launched the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, and later invaded Italy in September 1943. By then, Soviet forces were on the offensive and had won a major victory at the Battle of Stalingrad. The decision to undertake a cross-channel invasion within the next year was taken at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943. Initial planning was constrained by the number of available landing craft, most of which were already committed in the Mediterranean and Pacific. At the Tehran Conference in November 1943, Roosevelt and Churchill promised Stalin that they would open the long-delayed second front in May 1944."
- Wikipedia.

The fate of the Soviet Union hung in the balance at Stalingrad. They desperately needed our intervention

And still, FDR held back....waiting for the "right time"

Why do you continue to batter your own disproved argument? Are you psychotic?

Your delusional alternative histories border on the psychotic

We await your documentation.

 

[regent]

Why would conservatives or anyone try to rewrite history to show how they were outsmarted by FDR and the Democrats and continue to be outsmarted? Are we supposed to feel sorry for them because FDR was elected four times and historians always rate FDR always as one of the top three presidents?
Almost 80 years have gone by since FDR was elected the first time and Republicans are still running against FDR. Must of been a hell of a president to get that kind of following. Maybe it's the conservative "I think history" that's the culprit?

 

[gipper]

Why would conservatives or anyone try to rewrite history to show how they were outsmarted by FDR and the Democrats and continue to be outsmarted? Are we supposed to feel sorry for them because FDR was elected four times and historians always rate FDR always as one of the top three presidents?
Almost 80 years have gone by since FDR was elected the first time and Republicans are still running against FDR. Must of been a hell of a president to get that kind of following. Maybe it's the conservative "I think history" that's the culprit?

Oh come now Reggie....leaders throughout history have lied to the people and gotten away with it in real time. After some time, smart people (not including you) figure out the lies.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[mamooth]

Now, not all FDR-haters are Nazi sympathizers.

Oh wait, they are. Never mind.

You don't have to analyze it any deeper than that. FDR squashed the Nazis, hence the Nazi-sympathizers hate FDR.

 

[rightwinger]

Now, not all FDR-haters are Nazi sympathizers.

Oh wait, they are. Never mind.

You don't have to analyze it any deeper than that. FDR squashed the Nazis, hence the Nazi-sympathizers hate FDR.

They prefer that the Nazis keep Western Europe to allowing the USSR to survive.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[rightwinger]

Why would conservatives or anyone try to rewrite history to show how they were outsmarted by FDR and the Democrats and continue to be outsmarted? Are we supposed to feel sorry for them because FDR was elected four times and historians always rate FDR always as one of the top three presidents?
Almost 80 years have gone by since FDR was elected the first time and Republicans are still running against FDR. Must of been a hell of a president to get that kind of following. Maybe it's the conservative "I think history" that's the culprit?

FDR seized control of the government from the Republicans and the Dems didn't give it back for 20 years

Wisest decision our nation ever made