FBI can't investigate terror suspects without a warrant

[Delta4Embassy]

CIA can't assassinate without permission. At home, due process means a terror suyspect's innocent until and unless proven guilty in a court of law.

Is it time to reconsider our legal system where terrorism is concerned? If we're taking the knees out of law enforcement, making CIA accountable to Congress and politically-motivated prosecutions and making ourselves more vulnerable to those who know how our legal system works and thus how to explot it, isn't it high time to throw the book away?

When our Founders founded the country and legal system they couldn't have envisioned modern security issues and concerns. We are at the disadvantage tactically every time. Few people have a weapon on their person 24/7 so shooters go where large numbers of unarmed people are. Terrorists know how our laws limit our intelligence agencies and work around the edges with impunity.

After Paris, France declared a state of emergency they're still in now. After San Bernardino, we were business as normal. Waiting for the next attack when more nothing will be the result.

After a hurricane, and usually a bit before it hits states declare states of emergency. Why don't we do the same for terrorism?

 

[ogibillm]

Hooray totalitarianism!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

CIA can't assassinate without permission.

Not even with permission, Congress banned it after we got caught being fucking assholes.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Is it time to reconsider our legal system where terrorism is concerned?"

No.

In fact, this is exactly the situation the Framers foresaw when they created the Bill of Rights: a period of unwarranted fear and panic that might cause some to seek to violate to rights of others – to investigate, arrest, and detain absent evidence, predicated solely on who someone is.

The Framers understood human nature well, that fear, ignorance, hate, and bigotry can undermine the edifice of individual liberty and rule of law, where the rule of law must be paramount to check unwarranted fear, ignorance, hate, and bigotry.

Fear is as much the enemy as are the terrorists; indeed, that's the primary weapon of terrorists: fear, not guns and bombs; and the terrorists win when we capitulate to fear.

As an aside, law enforcement may investigate absent a warrant, but absent a warrant any evidence discovered can't be used in a court of law; in fact, investigations are started to see if indeed a warrant should be sought, as the magistrate issuing the warrant will need some sort of probable cause or reasonable evidence to authorize a formal criminal investigation. And in many cases the initial investigation alone can have the effect of deterring crime.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Fear is as much the enemy as are the terrorists; indeed, that's the primary weapon of terrorists: fear, not guns and bombs; and the terrorists win when we capitulate to fear.

^^^^ that, but these little agents for ISIS don't get that. They want a Holy War, the same as ISIS...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Weaken our Constitutional civil liberties and a President Trump or a President Cruz will create an authoritarian, fascist-style police state.

 

[Coyote]

CIA can't assassinate without permission. At home, due process means a terror suyspect's innocent until and unless proven guilty in a court of law.

Is it time to reconsider our legal system where terrorism is concerned? If we're taking the knees out of law enforcement, making CIA accountable to Congress and politically-motivated prosecutions and making ourselves more vulnerable to those who know how our legal system works and thus how to explot it, isn't it high time to throw the book away?

When our Founders founded the country and legal system they couldn't have envisioned modern security issues and concerns. We are at the disadvantage tactically every time. Few people have a weapon on their person 24/7 so shooters go where large numbers of unarmed people are. Terrorists know how our laws limit our intelligence agencies and work around the edges with impunity.

After Paris, France declared a state of emergency they're still in now. After San Bernardino, we were business as normal. Waiting for the next attack when more nothing will be the result.

After a hurricane, and usually a bit before it hits states declare states of emergency. Why don't we do the same for terrorism?

Once you give up the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" what do you have left? If the CIA isn't accountable to Congress - who is it accountable to?

I'm kind of amazed that people who will fight tooth and nail against any kind of restriction of THEIR right to bear arms will willingly give up OTHER people's rights to equal treatment under the law.

We can touch the right to have guns, but we can strip away other rights in the name of "security"?


Does not compute.

 

[Indofred]

Is it time to reconsider our legal system where terrorism is concerned?

Go for it, then extend it to black people, Jews, anyone suspected of being a communist, then everyone.

I really don't understand why the right wing in America want to remove the constitution.
Traitors, the lot of them.