Father of Oregon killer blames GUNS, not son, for massacre?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, where is the need to be like other countries, like they are all doing so well, ya, right! Nice try.
Every country on the planet is on the decline and suck, we happen to suck the least.
Common sense would say we should strive to get better, not worse. Looking to other countries is alway an low expectations game the bleeding hearts play.

Hashtag punching down is never advised

I think you are a little confused. You are emoting. I look at actual metrics.

Let's take health care. Other industrialized democracies have universal health care. While we spend 17% of our GDP on health care, these other countries spend 8 - 11 %.

They have longer life expectancies.
They have lower rates of infant mortality.
they have lower rates of bankruptcy due to medical crisis
They have lower rates of abortion. (something you think right wingers would get behind)

Hashtag, trying reading a book, you inbred racist fuck.

Assuming that everything you listed has to do exclusively with healthcare which it doesn't. It's just a leftist talking point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well you are talking about something you just made up. I'm talking about the current situation as the laws are.

HIs mother obviously purchased those guns legally. Now how this clown got his hands on them, that I'm not sure of as of yet. Maybe when more reports come out........

he purchased some of them as well. and it is pretty clear she wasn't keeping them under lock and key.

The laws as they are suck. It starts with the idiocy that gun ownership is a right. That puts the burden on the rest of us to prove why a crazy person shouldn't have a gun, as opposed to the crazy person proving he needs one.

The idea that we punish the adults because they have a screwed up kid is pretty much out of the question. Sure, the parent(s) should be held responsible, but if they need a firearm for self-defense such as those living in lower income neighborhoods, I can't see taking their Constitutional rights away just because a one out of a thousand chance their mentally disabled child might get their hands on them and conduct a mass shooting.

So your argument here is that because you support a racist, unequal society, you need a gun to protect yourself from the people you are oppressing?

This is your argument? How about fixing economic inequality, rather than keeping something in your home that is 43 times more likely to kill a member of your family than that bad guy you are pissing yourself over.

Naw. That'd be humane. And Sensible. That's just not the conservative way, which is find the most mean-spirited and stupid solution and go all out.

43 times likely to kill somebody in my family? You mean it will just get up and shoot somebody? I'll try that. I'll leave my gun on the coffee table and see if it moves all by itself.

I thought you liberals fixed economic equality! You keep telling us you are along with poverty, yet the rich have never gotten richer than under DumBama and under him we've hit record number of people in poverty. No thanks, I'll keep my gun.

 

[AVG-JOE]

True. Unregulated access to the tool is the problem.

Unregulated, my chubby butt.

True. You have me there.

And under-regulated is not correct either.

Inconsistent regulation by the states is the problem.

 

[koshergrl]

The Gun Control Chart Liberals Are Desperately Trying to Hide

 

[koshergrl]

 

[AVG-JOE]

Well, thanks for your efforts in convincing us all that you're a fool who doesn't understand plain English, but really, it's kind of redundant at this point.

I'm saying that it's the will to kill others that matters, not the tool used. No amount of gun control will fix that. Any solution to the problem has to focus on the REAL problem.

Now, if you STILL haven't figured out the point that everyone else got the first time, let me know and I'll break out the Crayolas and maybe hand out juice boxes like other kindergartners get, Brain Trust.

That assumes that a person is as likely to kill others with something other than a gun, and it's difficult to believe that anyone would actually think that.

Do you see any reason for concern or specific action regarding this ongoing trend of suicide/slaughters?
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There's no doubt that guns are a popular choice, because they give you efficiency AND the ability to see and enjoy the fear and pain of your victims, for sickos who are into that shit.

But the tool is not the problem.

As for your silly question, which has already been answered, why don't you plug your fucking brain in, reread my posts, and see if you can figure it out, rather than expecting me to repeat myself again and again while you pretend that "I'm too fucking stupid to understand" is an effective argument.

Shutting down the discussion by being obtuse is the go-to tactic of the left, I get that. But it's not helpful, and just pushes you farther and farther out into the margins. Eventually, people just aren't going to consider you at all in these discussions. If you actually want to be part of the public policy on this topic, you're going to have to start exhibiting some sort of genuine desire to understand and participate.

Well, truth be told, once I see that a person is going to lace their post with juvenile personal insults and name-calling I don't pay that much attention to the rest of their effort.

If you have a reasonable point to make, either make it quickly or find a nice little hardcore left wing partisan ideologue to play with, thanks.
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Well, truth be told, once I see that a person is going to cry about how "mean" I am so that they can avoid seeing the points being made, I move on to someone who's pulled on their big-boy Underoos for the debate.

If you're looking for Barney to hold hands and sing with you, you're probably on the wrong board.

I appreciate your concern.

And fortunately, I'm under no obligation to enable childish behavior.
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Kind of fun to fuck with occasionally though, eh?

 

[Clementine]

Actually, a background check would have stopped what happened in Oregon. The problem is the background checks aren't accurate and they are designed to be that way.

So here's the law I would pass.

If you sell or give a gun to a mass murderer, you will be charged as an accomplice to his crime and do hard time. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Can we start with Obama and Holder for their Fast and Furious bullshit?

 

[koshergrl]

The last I don't know how many mass shootings would not have happened if the lunatics who perpetrated them had been kept locked up after they proved themselves to be lunatics the FIRST time.

 

[JoeB131]

That won't happen in either of our lifetimes, it would require amending the Constitution with 2/3 of the states legislatures in support of the measure. I don't believe there is enough liberals who share in that same extremist view to make it happen. I know that darn 2nd Amendment is such a thorn to your side.

Nope.

All we need is for Scalia to take a dirt nap, and amazingly, we will get a Supreme court that can read English and that the Second Amendment is about Well-regulated Militias.

Easy- Peasy.

Hey, guy, frankly, I really don't care what the slave rapists who shit in a chamber pot thought they were really writing about. All you need is a court that rules sensibly and the vast majority of htis country that thinks people like you have no business owning guns.

 

[JoeB131]

Can we start with Obama and Holder for their Fast and Furious bullshit?

Obama personally sold those guns? Or did he just not do enough to stop gun dealers from selling those guns?

 

[JoeB131]

The last I don't know how many mass shootings would not have happened if the lunatics who perpetrated them had been kept locked up after they proved themselves to be lunatics the FIRST time.

Because we don't lock people up when they are ill. Otherwise you'd have been locked up a long time ago.

 

[JoeB131]

Assuming that everything you listed has to do exclusively with healthcare which it doesn't. It's just a leftist talking point.

Yes, the fact they get better health care results has nothing to with the fact they provide health care to every citizen.

Just like the reason why they don't have thousand of murders like we do is because they don't let average citizens own guns.

No, no, there are "other factors" because in wingnut land, a straight line is never the shortest distance between two points.

43 times likely to kill somebody in my family? You mean it will just get up and shoot somebody? I'll try that. I'll leave my gun on the coffee table and see if it moves all by itself.

No, someone will shoot themselves or someone else in your family. that's the point. Most gun deaths are people being shot with their own guns.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The last I don't know how many mass shootings would not have happened if the lunatics who perpetrated them had been kept locked up after they proved themselves to be lunatics the FIRST time.

Because we don't lock people up when they are ill. Otherwise you'd have been locked up a long time ago.

We can't incarcerate people for what they might do.

The only solve for this problem is to figure out a way to keep weapons out of the hands of said lunatics.

The answer is criminal liability for sellers who fail to perform a nationally standardized background check.

 

[Auld Phart]

That won't happen in either of our lifetimes, it would require amending the Constitution with 2/3 of the states legislatures in support of the measure. I don't believe there is enough liberals who share in that same extremist view to make it happen. I know that darn 2nd Amendment is such a thorn to your side.

Nope.

All we need is for Scalia to take a dirt nap, and amazingly, we will get a Supreme court that can read English and that the Second Amendment is about Well-regulated Militias.

Easy- Peasy.

Hey, guy, frankly, I really don't care what the slave rapists who shit in a chamber pot thought they were really writing about. All you need is a court that rules sensibly and the vast majority of htis country that thinks people like you have no business owning guns.

we will get a Supreme court that can read English and that the Second Amendment is about Well-regulated Militias.

the current court has no problem reading English.


The Amendment states the right of the PEOPLE, not the militia

 

[JoeB131]

the current court has no problem reading English.


The Amendment states the right of the PEOPLE, not the militia

The right of the people to have Militias - to bear arms - not to own guns.

The thing is, Militias have gone the way of bleeding someone to treat strep throat, shitting in a Chamber Pot or whipping your slave. it might have made sense in 1787, but we live in the modern world where we have police forces and armies.

 

[Auld Phart]

the current court has no problem reading English.


The Amendment states the right of the PEOPLE, not the militia

The right of the people to have Militias - to bear arms - not to own guns.

The thing is, Militias have gone the way of bleeding someone to treat strep throat, shitting in a Chamber Pot or whipping your slave. it might have made sense in 1787, but we live in the modern world where we have police forces and armies.

The right of the people to have Militias - to bear arms - not to own guns.

You might want to take another look at it.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

The right of the people to keep and bear arms,

Not to belong to a militia

 

[|electric|foxy|]

“I’m not trying to say that they’re to blame for what happened. But if Chris had not been able to get hold of 13 guns it wouldn’t have happened.”
CNN just interviewed the father of the murderer of nine people at Umpqua Community College this week, and though he claims he is not blaming guns, he spent most of the interview doing that exact thing.

“That’s what guns are. The killers. It’s as simple as that. It’s black and white,” he says. Guns are the killers. Not his son.



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Just another reason to hate liberals. Don't you just fucking hate them?

You have to love how the loser claims guns are not to blame, and then that is all he does.

Double talking ignorant hypocrite.

Now, when the morons post on this thread about how much they want to ban guns, just ask them to give their plan and provide details. That, shuts them up every time.

Do you know why? Cause liberals are fucking morons. They are hypocrites. They are nothing but pawns for their communists, better known as their democrat politicians. They are all losers.

Remember, ask them to give their details when they cry for gun control. It will make you laugh at how fucking moronic they are.

Guns can not just kill someone, people kill.
It is ridiculous to blame circumstances not his son.

 

[|electric|foxy|]

He's not blaming guns, he's blaming our lax policies concerning access to guns.

Big difference.

Compare the paperwork required to purchase and operate a motor vehicle to the paperwork required to own and operate a firearm.

you can not argue the fact that if people do not have mental illnesses they do not use guns to kill someone

 

[Rustic]

Well, where is the need to be like other countries, like they are all doing so well, ya, right! Nice try.
Every country on the planet is on the decline and suck, we happen to suck the least.
Common sense would say we should strive to get better, not worse. Looking to other countries is alway an low expectations game the bleeding hearts play.

Hashtag punching down is never advised

I think you are a little confused. You are emoting. I look at actual metrics.

Let's take health care. Other industrialized democracies have universal health care. While we spend 17% of our GDP on health care, these other countries spend 8 - 11 %.

They have longer life expectancies.
They have lower rates of infant mortality.
they have lower rates of bankruptcy due to medical crisis
They have lower rates of abortion. (something you think right wingers would get behind)

Hashtag, trying reading a book, you inbred racist fuck.

Who cares??
In these country's you talk about, the government is in control of most everything including your "stats" you listed.
And worse yet, no one can be an individual in socialist nations.
Frivolous laws and regulations always takes freedom away, just because the yahoos in these nations you talk of think they're happy. They just don't know any better, depending on the government ne freedom in that whatsoever.

Hashtag socialist will believe anything.......... They're told to

 

[mudwhistle]

“I’m not trying to say that they’re to blame for what happened. But if Chris had not been able to get hold of 13 guns it wouldn’t have happened.”
CNN just interviewed the father of the murderer of nine people at Umpqua Community College this week, and though he claims he is not blaming guns, he spent most of the interview doing that exact thing.

“That’s what guns are. The killers. It’s as simple as that. It’s black and white,” he says. Guns are the killers. Not his son.



Read more: Father of Oregon Killer Blames GUNS, Not Son, For Umpqua Massacre » The Right Scoop -

Just another reason to hate liberals. Don't you just fucking hate them?

You have to love how the loser claims guns are not to blame, and then that is all he does.

Double talking ignorant hypocrite.

Now, when the morons post on this thread about how much they want to ban guns, just ask them to give their plan and provide details. That, shuts them up every time.

Do you know why? Cause liberals are fucking morons. They are hypocrites. They are nothing but pawns for their communists, better known as their democrat politicians. They are all losers.

Remember, ask them to give their details when they cry for gun control. It will make you laugh at how fucking moronic they are.

You poor, angry little owl. Any reason under the sun to let the world know that you "hate" Liberals.

The father is, of course, wrong.

The only real fault for this mass murder lies squarely with his son. But he's the kid's father, what in the fuck do you expect for him to say?

You are truly insane.

Insane?

For pointing out the obvious?

Mkay....