Father/Daughter Shot Dead; Wounded Mom Shepherds Kids to Safety

[Pogo]

MENASHA, Wis. -- The Stoffel family set out on a bike ride on a beautiful spring evening, the young Wisconsin couple and their three children pedaling across a bridge they had ridden before. They were halfway across the Little Lake Butte des Morts when a gunman, apparently upset over a fight with his ex-fiancee, opened fire.

By the time the gunman shot himself, Jonathan Stoffel, 33, of Neenah, and his 11-year-old daughter, Olivia Stoffel, were dead in what police called a random attack. Stoffel's wife, Erin Stoffel, 32, was struck three times but survived, guiding her other two children, ages 5 and 7, off the bridge and sending the older one for help.

Another man, Adam Bentdahl, 31, of Appleton, was also killed in the attack Sunday in Menasha, a community of around 17,000 about 30 miles south of Green Bay.

Erin Stoffel was rushed into surgery at a nearby hospital and was in critical condition Monday. She is expected to recover, reports CBS affiliate WDJT.
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For my mandatory USMB position-taking I'll just cite this from the same article:

Campbell, Erin Stoffel's brother, said people should stop praying about an end for gun violence and take action.

"Instead of praying, do something. Do something about guns," he said. "When you kill, you can't take it back. Nobody needs a gun."

Story link​

 

[ScienceRocks]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

 

[Pogo]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

 

[westwall]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline. Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes. No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

 

[Katzndogz]

Too bad no one in this family was armed themselves.

 

[Pogo]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline.
Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes.

Actually they won't -- you can't pick people off from a distance with that stuff. The objective is not murder; it's carnage. If the objective were murder then yes any of these methods and many more including hiring a hit man while establishing an alibi elsewhere. But that's not what gun nuts are after. They're after sensory feedback. That's why their victims are random -- it doesn't matter who they are. What matters is the blood and the screaming and the suffering.

No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

Nobody brought up "disarming" anybody. But the only harm done here was by the armed guy. To paraphrase Bob Costas, if he hadn't been armed it's safe to say the whole family would be alive today.

 

[Pogo]

Too bad no one in this family was armed themselves.

What the fuck good would that do in a sniper ambush?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

amen to that Pogo....

 

[westwall]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline.
Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes.

Actually they won't -- you can't pick people off from a distance with that stuff. The objective is not murder; it's carnage. If the objective were murder then yes any of these methods and many more including hiring a hit man while establishing an alibi elsewhere. But that's not what gun nuts are after. They're after sensory feedback. That's why their victims are random -- it doesn't matter who they are. What matters is the blood and the screaming and the suffering.

No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

Nobody brought up "disarming" anybody. But the only harm done here was by the armed guy. To paraphrase Bob Costas, if he hadn't been armed it's safe to say the whole family would be alive today.

Tell that to all those people killed by out of control drivers, or the families of the 149 victims of the airliner the asshole pilot flew into the ground.

 

[westwall]

Too bad no one in this family was armed themselves.

What the fuck good would that do in a sniper ambush?

Sniper ambush? It appears he walked up and shot them.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

Whenever a crime happens and Matthew doesnt start talking about parents, community, lack of respect etc I know that the victim and the perp is white.

Matthew feels bad when they are white....black people meh...whatevs...but he'll tell you with a straight face "all lives matter"

 

[Pogo]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline.
Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes.

Actually they won't -- you can't pick people off from a distance with that stuff. The objective is not murder; it's carnage. If the objective were murder then yes any of these methods and many more including hiring a hit man while establishing an alibi elsewhere. But that's not what gun nuts are after. They're after sensory feedback. That's why their victims are random -- it doesn't matter who they are. What matters is the blood and the screaming and the suffering.

No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

Nobody brought up "disarming" anybody. But the only harm done here was by the armed guy. To paraphrase Bob Costas, if he hadn't been armed it's safe to say the whole family would be alive today.

Tell that to all those people killed by out of control drivers, or the families of the 149 victims of the airliner the asshole pilot flew into the ground.

By definition that's not the same thing. The former would be accidental and the latter was killed along with everybody else. Neither of them got sensory feedback.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline.
Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes.

Actually they won't -- you can't pick people off from a distance with that stuff. The objective is not murder; it's carnage. If the objective were murder then yes any of these methods and many more including hiring a hit man while establishing an alibi elsewhere. But that's not what gun nuts are after. They're after sensory feedback. That's why their victims are random -- it doesn't matter who they are. What matters is the blood and the screaming and the suffering.

No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

Nobody brought up "disarming" anybody. But the only harm done here was by the armed guy. To paraphrase Bob Costas, if he hadn't been armed it's safe to say the whole family would be alive today.

He could have wiped out the whole family, if he would just have used his car, to run them all down. That's it, no more cars, they should be outlawed.

 

[Ernie S.]

MENASHA, Wis. -- The Stoffel family set out on a bike ride on a beautiful spring evening, the young Wisconsin couple and their three children pedaling across a bridge they had ridden before. They were halfway across the Little Lake Butte des Morts when a gunman, apparently upset over a fight with his ex-fiancee, opened fire.

By the time the gunman shot himself, Jonathan Stoffel, 33, of Neenah, and his 11-year-old daughter, Olivia Stoffel, were dead in what police called a random attack. Stoffel's wife, Erin Stoffel, 32, was struck three times but survived, guiding her other two children, ages 5 and 7, off the bridge and sending the older one for help.

Another man, Adam Bentdahl, 31, of Appleton, was also killed in the attack Sunday in Menasha, a community of around 17,000 about 30 miles south of Green Bay.

Erin Stoffel was rushed into surgery at a nearby hospital and was in critical condition Monday. She is expected to recover, reports CBS affiliate WDJT.
​

For my mandatory USMB position-taking I'll just cite this from the same article:

Campbell, Erin Stoffel's brother, said people should stop praying about an end for gun violence and take action.

"Instead of praying, do something. Do something about guns," he said. "When you kill, you can't take it back. Nobody needs a gun."

Story link​

Nobody needs a gun???? Seems like this family was defenseless against a gun. Perhaps having their own in this situation would have saved lives.

Or was this a "gun free zone" where only criminals have weapons?

 

[westwall]

Crazy people everywhere. This is sad.

These would be far less upsetting if these assholes would start with themselves and skip taking innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with their problems.

The problem of course is they will use jet airliners, or cars, or pickup trucks, or a gallon of gasoline.
Assholes are assholes. They murder people because they are assholes.

Actually they won't -- you can't pick people off from a distance with that stuff. The objective is not murder; it's carnage. If the objective were murder then yes any of these methods and many more including hiring a hit man while establishing an alibi elsewhere. But that's not what gun nuts are after. They're after sensory feedback. That's why their victims are random -- it doesn't matter who they are. What matters is the blood and the screaming and the suffering.

No amount of disarming the other 90 million legit people is going to make it impossible for assholes to be assholes.

It would be nice if you could. But the reality is those laws save no one, and in fact harm more than are hurt.

Nobody brought up "disarming" anybody. But the only harm done here was by the armed guy. To paraphrase Bob Costas, if he hadn't been armed it's safe to say the whole family would be alive today.

Tell that to all those people killed by out of control drivers, or the families of the 149 victims of the airliner the asshole pilot flew into the ground.

By definition that's not the same thing. The former would be accidental and the latter was killed along with everybody else. Neither of them got sensory feedback.

Nope. There are people who go berserk and intentionally drive their cars into crowds all the time. The worst mass murder in US history by a single asshole, is the guy who used a gallon of gasoline to burn up his girlfriend in a NY nightclub. He also managed to burn another 70 or so innocent people to death.

Like I said. An asshole is going to murder. It's what they do. No law on this earth can prevent that. But, a observant person with a gun...can.

 

[OnePercenter]

This is exactly why I have a CCW permit in every State or city I travel.

It's a shame we live in such a gun crazy society. The NRA should be proud of what they've done.

 

[OnePercenter]

Nobody needs a gun???? Seems like this family was defenseless against a gun. Perhaps having their own in this situation would have saved lives.

Or was this a "gun free zone" where only criminals have weapons?

Nobody SHOULD need a gun.

 

[Pogo]

MENASHA, Wis. -- The Stoffel family set out on a bike ride on a beautiful spring evening, the young Wisconsin couple and their three children pedaling across a bridge they had ridden before. They were halfway across the Little Lake Butte des Morts when a gunman, apparently upset over a fight with his ex-fiancee, opened fire.

By the time the gunman shot himself, Jonathan Stoffel, 33, of Neenah, and his 11-year-old daughter, Olivia Stoffel, were dead in what police called a random attack. Stoffel's wife, Erin Stoffel, 32, was struck three times but survived, guiding her other two children, ages 5 and 7, off the bridge and sending the older one for help.

Another man, Adam Bentdahl, 31, of Appleton, was also killed in the attack Sunday in Menasha, a community of around 17,000 about 30 miles south of Green Bay.

Erin Stoffel was rushed into surgery at a nearby hospital and was in critical condition Monday. She is expected to recover, reports CBS affiliate WDJT.
​

For my mandatory USMB position-taking I'll just cite this from the same article:

Campbell, Erin Stoffel's brother, said people should stop praying about an end for gun violence and take action.

"Instead of praying, do something. Do something about guns," he said. "When you kill, you can't take it back. Nobody needs a gun."

Story link​

Nobody needs a gun???? Seems like this family was defenseless against a gun. Perhaps having their own in this situation would have saved lives.

Or was this a "gun free zone" where only criminals have weapons?

Uhh... perhaps not. You don't go out for a walk in the park with your family expecting gun nuts.
If you do, you live in one hell of a fucked up place.

 

[westwall]

This is exactly why I have a CCW permit in every State or city I travel.

It's a shame we live in such a gun crazy society. The NRA should be proud of what they've done.

Oh fuck you and your bullshit lies. The NRA had nothing to do with this any more than the guy was a latino and everyone knows how violent latinos are. See how ridiculous your statement is? Every bit as ridiculous as mine.

You are truly a tard and there is no way you have a CCW. You're too afraid of guns.

 

[westwall]

Nobody needs a gun???? Seems like this family was defenseless against a gun. Perhaps having their own in this situation would have saved lives.

Or was this a "gun free zone" where only criminals have weapons?

Nobody SHOULD need a gun.

I agree. As soon as you can present a world where no evil person can get their hands on one, I'll give mine up.