FALLUJAH murder pictures...GRAPHIC(democrats and whiney-assed liberals beware)

[OCA]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
Nah... OCA, if Bush died, Cheney would win.

This is true

 

[preemptingyou03]

Mohammed Atef, one of the three founders of al-Qaeda, wanted to go to Iraq to find chemical weapons, according to dozens of caught al-Qaeda members.

That right there, as well as Saddam's violations of war treaties, is cause for invasion.

 

[cptpwichita]

Originally posted by spillmind
it's really kind of amazing to listen to this past age old philosphy in current motion. a perpetuation of an imposed violence, and one of quesitonable intent. given the circumstances, you can't really be suprised by something as horrific as this to happen? you don't even see our guys being blown to bits on a practically everyday basis!

this immense sudden hatred from the (mostly) war proponents is invariably telling about true intent of the occupation of iraq. i support a stronger international prescence in iraq for the greater of all the HUMANS in the area.

face it, our troops spend most of their time around the bases, largely due to the threat of agression! without a larger international presence and a saturation of the area with MORE prospecting contractors, and more emphasis on really rebuilding the country, this situation will continue into a tailspin as many predicted.

i'm not sure how we can do that or if it's even possible, but to assimilate a region you need to saturate it. with such a scant effort of mostly US troops, it's unlikely anything we hope for would take hold.

but I AM SURE where your hatred will get you. NOWHERE.

that is not the problem.the problem is islamic fundamentalism and an islamic society that is backwards and violent to everything that is not religiously acceptable to them.The only way the violence will stop around the world is if you take away all the korans which is the breeding ground for this kind of violence,but,since i believe in religious freedom this is not an option in my mind.contrary to what the media would have you believe islam is not a peaceful religion and these dumb asses would rather live in oppression and misery than accept the help of the great satan(the u.s.a.).Unless you didn't know we are a sovereign country and are able to deal with matters of national security without getting a permission slip from the u.n.Yeah sure france and spain along with the rest of the liberal socialist asses will help us if they can dictate how american law operates or what are foreign policy should be.france and the rest in the u.n. want to control our military,override our judicial system with a world court,end the death penalty,accept gay marriage,have us fund abortions overseas and have us pay the majority of the united nations bills.Where is the hatred in trying to free a people from an oppressive dictator and paying for that freedom in american blood?What exactly should we do to get the u.n. and those countries on board?

 

[triggerfish]

Spillmind, I do not have any justification or twisted view of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandmant. That is a true absolute moral commandment from God. It is wrong to kill period. As a side note, I do not believe in the death penalty (surprise you?). You agree, correct? We are left with a delema then, do we die or let the terrorists die? If someone was going to murder your wife or children and there was no way to save them except killing the intruder, what would you do?
I say we must fight evil, yes, we will be judged for it. All I can say is we are trying to save the Iraqi people and ourselves from any more torture or any chance of terrorist threats (direct or indirect). Is it perfectly right; no, it is the best we can do with the way the world is now.
I stated why I think they hate us already; where am I inconsistant?
Contrary to what you might assume about me I am willing to listen to your ideas. I've read your quotes from Hanh and Ueshike. They are wonderful to try for, they don't do too much toward saving your family when some poor Iraqi is trying to protect his family from some terrorist with an AK-47 pushed in his face and evil in their mind!!
Again, we are in Iraq, what do you, Spillmind, suggest? Your ideas would be appreciated?
I don't mind disscussing ideas with you, let's not get to the level of simple name calling! I'm not accusing you, let's keep it honest.
Thanks for your input.

 

[cptpwichita]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
This crap is very disturbing to me. I am hopeful that it is a reflection of adolescent bravado, not a serious attempt to advocate mass murder in retaliation of the brutal deaths of four Americans.

It never ceases to amaze me that the right-wing recoils in moral outrage at the concept of gay marriage, yet they are so completely morally bankrupt that calls to incinerate tens of thousands of innocent human beings is considered neither disgusting or perverse but cheered as patriotic.

It is likely that “Thou shall not kill” means little to the writer who clearly has no moral compass whatsoever. It is obvious to me that to advocate such mass violence and murder against the innocent no matter how just he or she feels their cause is, put the writer on exactly the same moral plane as the suicide bombers and 9/11 hijackers.

Such vile calls for mass murder should be condemned and denounced for what it is: Terrorism.

HEY ASSHOLE WHAT IF THAT HAD BEEN YOU,OR YOUR BEST FRIEND,OR YOUR SON.then you would probably feel outrage is warranted but since you are obviously either a iraq sympathizer or liberal jerk-off and probably a coward who never served a day of his life in the military let me explain how war works.


kill as many of the bad guys as you can(the more the better) while trying to limit the number of good guys dying to as few as possible.i'm glad i could help out.

 

[triggerfish]

Prre-O3, you make very excellent points. Thank you for the research, I learned quite a bit from you. Keep up the great work.

 

[cptpwichita]

Originally posted by triggerfish
Spillmind, I do not have any justification or twisted view of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandmant. That is a true absolute moral commandment from God. It is wrong to kill period. As a side note, I do not believe in the death penalty (surprise you?). You agree, correct? We are left with a delema then, do we die or let the terrorists die? If someone was going to murder your wife or children and there was no way to save them except killing the intruder, what would you do?
I say we must fight evil, yes, we will be judged for it. All I can say is we are trying to save the Iraqi people and ourselves from any more torture or any chance of terrorist threats (direct or indirect). Is it perfectly right; no, it is the best we can do with the way the world is now.
I stated why I think they hate us already; where am I inconsistant?
Contrary to what you might assume about me I am willing to listen to your ideas. I've read your quotes from Hanh and Ueshike. They are wonderful to try for, they don't do too much toward saving your family when some poor Iraqi is trying to protect his family from some terrorist with an AK-47 pushed in his face and evil in their mind!!
Again, we are in Iraq, what do you, Spillmind, suggest? Your ideas would be appreciated?
I don't mind disscussing ideas with you, let's not get to the level of simple name calling! I'm not accusing you, let's keep it honest.
Thanks for your input.

For rulers are not a terror to good works,but to evil.Do you want to be unafraid of the authority?Do what is good,and you will have praise from the same.For he is God's minister to you for good.But if you do evil,be afraid;for he does not bear the sword in vain;for he is god's minister,an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.therefore you must be subject,not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.for because of this you also pay taxes,for they are god's ministers attending continually to this very thing. romans 13:3-6

 

[triggerfish]

What do you think about bringing back the draft? I believe that every young man should serve at least 2 years. (minimum) in the military. This would accomplish several things: 1) Give our young men something positive to do after high school (a requirement by the way), 2) Get potential trouble makers off the street, thus reducing crime and alleviating the work load on the police, 3) Give these young men some positive training, sense of patriotism, and learn discipline (seriously needed), 4) Help to maintain our manpower levels we needed to fight this war on terror.
I know I am going to get hammered for this; let me have it! By the way, I served 4 years in the U.S.N. from 1972-1976 and was a Federal firefighter for 25 years (worked on military bases, loved it, miss it too). I wish I could sign up for the military again; alas, I am too old (50 years). I say remove the age limitation, I can aim a rifle and pull the trigger as well as the next man.
No, I'm not in a rush to kill anyone, I do want to serve my country again and help my young brave brothers and sisters in the military. I would like to give them a break as their life is just starting. May the Lord protect them all.

 

[cptpwichita]

Originally posted by triggerfish
What do you think about bringing back the draft? I believe that every young man should serve at least 2 years. (minimum) in the military. This would accomplish several things: 1) Give our young men something positive to do after high school (a requirement by the way), 2) Get potential trouble makers off the street, thus reducing crime and alleviating the work load on the police, 3) Give these young men some positive training, sense of patriotism, and learn discipline (seriously needed), 4) Help to maintain our manpower levels we needed to fight this war on terror.
I know I am going to get hammered for this; let me have it! By the way, I served 4 years in the U.S.N. from 1972-1976 and was a Federal firefighter for 25 years (worked on military bases, loved it, miss it too). I wish I could sign up for the military again; alas, I am too old (50 years). I say remove the age limitation, I can aim a rifle and pull the trigger as well as the next man.
No, I'm not in a rush to kill anyone, I do want to serve my country again and help my young brave brothers and sisters in the military. I would like to give them a break as their life is just starting. May the Lord protect them all.

i also have thought of that and i think people in general would be different in a positive way if everyone served 2 years.

 

[shadow 04]

who cares probably all of bush's rich bitches done in FALLUJAH. How about us working class americans who don't make a million a year. My taxes went up $2,000 this year-wheres the tax break-my job is on the line because it's social services-this money monger who was appointed is nothing but a corporate narcissistic who is sending our children to their death in iraq to protect the money mongers in this country and the working class need to use their head. Anti-abortion bush so we have more soldiers to send somewhere to protect the money mongers and more people to employ at the minimum wage, nice guy, sure may he burn in hell.

 

[spillmind]

do we die or let the terrorists die?

oh my oh my oh my. if only life were this simple, no? you think we are going to WIN this 'war on terror'...? how close are we to winning?

If someone was going to murder your wife or children and there was no way to save them except killing the intruder, what would you do?

wow! iraq was on the verge of this? i'd really be anxious to see what proof you've got of that.

I say we must fight evil, yes, we will be judged for it.

i say your prespective on what is 'evil' is horribly distorted, bias, and SERIOUSLY lacking in consistency.

All I can say is we are trying to save the Iraqi people and ourselves from any more torture or any chance of terrorist threats (direct or indirect). Is it perfectly right; no, it is the best we can do with the way the world is now.

by occupying and then IMPOSING our western way of 'democracy' on unwilling subjects? not only do i disagree with our methods, there is no future for iraqis! they are turning to private security because life there is dangerous. while our intent may be good, there are far to many factors that we DID NOT ANTICIPATE, or rather, CHOSE not to anticipate, and now we've got a big mess in iraq. damned peaceniks were right about what would happen if we tried to 'help' them!

let's not get to the level of simple name calling!

apparently, you haven't read too many of my posts.

Again, we are in Iraq, what do you, Spillmind, suggest?

yes, we are there now, and let's all hope we LEARNED something from this all? personally, i think that we need to BOLSTER the amount of an INTERNATIONAL PRESCENCE, an occupying force that consists also of arab states to further promote cohesion. the iraqis don't trust americans (gee, i wonder why) and they are by and large the bulk of the occupation prescence. by integrating more countries, not only does it take a huge weight off of our shoulders (and our troops), but it would show that more than just the US is at least INTERESTED in seeing iraq succeed. bottom line is, without international support, the US cannot do it alone. PERIOD.

will we get that support? i doubt it. why? it's pretty obvious to me. do a little thinking, and it might come to you. and i'm glad you can see the light over that whole 'thou shall not kill' thing.

 

[shadow 04]

Could some one out there answer this query??? Why do we have a corporate entity sitting there who appears to be manifesting symptoms of a narcissistic personality disorder? Why do I tag him as narcissistic? The following: (A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
(1) Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements). Questionable National Guard service and mommy viewing him as Moses, his vision to bring democracy to the world, business success in Texas by utilizing eminent domain to build a baseball stadium, failure in the oil business.
(2) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, and brilliance. I am the war president and will insure the safety of the United States fighting this war. What fighting, sending the middle class children out to face death in the name of invisible weapon of mass destruction.
(3) Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). Only addresses other Republicans, blocking others by constructing a barrier with busses, visits a window factory where his appearance is staged and after leaving nobody can be found working there, has a habit of addressing military personnel (I was in that situation during Viet Nam and ordered not to protest or publicly question the Commander and Chief or the war, and later worked in corrections (paramilitary institution also threatened that my job would be in jeopardy if I spoke about contrary issues to the department). Finally he is a born again Christian and assured of heaven while the rest of is of other denominations are domed to hell.
(4) Requires excessive admiration-need I say more.
(5) Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations. Just observe what the regime did with the United Nations, France, Germany, and others that disagreed and their families were threatened.
(6) Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends-Our children in Iraq, middle class laborers with outclassing jobs, Enron, Medicare, soon to be Social Security, Etc,
(7) Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others-Yes the compassionate president, if you happen to make $200, 000 a year and had to go to his preacher in order to understand how the average person manages.
(8) Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes-Just watch him walking across the White House lawn, the smirk on his face during public appearances, comments like “bring them on”, etc.

 

[spillmind]

What do you think about bringing back the draft? I believe that every young man should serve at least 2 years. (minimum) in the military. This would accomplish several things: 1) Give our young men something positive to do after high school (a requirement by the way), 2) Get potential trouble makers off the street, thus reducing crime and alleviating the work load on the police, 3) Give these young men some positive training, sense of patriotism, and learn discipline (seriously needed), 4) Help to maintain our manpower levels we needed to fight this war on terror.

BRING BACK THE DRAFT? and MAY THE LORD BLESS THEM ALL??!! you are seriously on the fringe, man! I'D LOVE TO SEE BUSH TRY TO BRING IT BACK, while his daughters puff herb amidst underage drinking. i wouldn't be suprised in the least if they even do coke! you think THEY will ever see battle? :rotflmao:
ok, this just getting to be too much! i've heard of people like this, but i can't believe each time i debate with one!

there is freedom of religion in this country, and i don't worship your god, so maybe i can't relate to your form of idealism. one that supports killing of innocent people for a 'greater good'. let's see that 'greater good', man. i'll bet you the 610 dead and thousands more dimembered or crippled for life would like to know, too! don't get me wrong, i'm all for the best possible outcome, but we've got to look at REALITY here. not some zealot's pipe dream.

For rulers are not a terror to good works,but to evil.Do you want to be unafraid of the authority?Do what is good,and you will have praise from the same.For he is God's minister to you for good.But if you do evil,be afraid;for he does not bear the sword in vain;for he is god's minister,an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.therefore you must be subject,not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.for because of this you also pay taxes,for they are god's ministers attending continually to this very thing. romans 13:3-6

like i said, i don't subscribe to the american christianity, and i am proud of my freedom of religion. i don't tell you what to believe, nor would i hold you to my own ideals. i don't even blame you for disagreeing with me!

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
Bush is the one that made the case for the war. If he hadn't brought it up, we wouldn't be there. I've heard what the dems have said many times and it sums up to pure partisanship.

Its also my opinion that Bush mislead the country with handpicked intelligence and I also believe that the CIA knew there weren't any WMD in Iraq especially when they know there were WMD in Libya.

Nope, WRONG!

Read the statements from the Dems about Saddam and WMD - they are mostly dated from 1998-2000!

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by zarquiekia
Iraq did not have terrorist until America invaded Iraq! The attacks on our soldiers are clearly from the Iraqi people! Bush said, "The Iraqis will love America for liberating them."

Are you on crack? Do you need to be bitchslapped with all the data about terrorist activity in Iraq for the past 20 years?

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by zarquiekia
Bush has help Al Qaeda with its' recriutment.

Put up or shut up, where's the links to backup your PMS induced rants?

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by zarquiekia
Bottomline: Saddam did not have WMD since 1995 and Clinton had the factories bombed. Bush lied about the WMD! Bush knew he lied that is the reason for so many renaming of the invasion: 1. disarm Saddam; 2. Iraq had terrorists; 3. liberate the Iraqi people. Bush wanted to be a hero and, now, he looks like a fool!

If they weren't there since 95, then why did John Kerry, Joseph Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Carl Levin, Madeline Albright, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Graham, Al Gore & Ted Kennedy make strong arguments for Saddam being in possession of these weapons? They made these statements between 1998-2002.

Lied my ass, you're just another deluded twit. You'll sit here and lay the blame on one single person while our entire government was saying the same damn thing for 5 years prior to the invasion.

The only fool here is you.

 

[kcmcdonald]

I've got two subjects to address. 1st the draft.

I am absoulutly for this. It has become a cancer in our society to hate the US and hate the Army. The Army is what provides citizens thier freedom. We have the liberties today becasue of the US armed forces. Every young adult should serve at least two years in the armed forces. those who wish to continue to serve may do so in 2 year blocks or they may serve 4 years in the Guard. With this many people in the Army we would be able to disperce forces across the world and never have a shortagge problem. Also i would say that the president reserves the right to declare a state of emergency to stay the enlistment indefinitaly or until he deems it nessisary to relaes the soldiers. I know many would oppose this act, mostly those tree huging hippies who couldn't do a day of service to save thier lives. And the lefists parents who belive war is BAD, or WRONG. Hell you know what I'll take this one step futher. Only soldiers are allowed to vote. If you serve you eran the right to vote, if you don't you don't get to vote. Let those who defend this land and it's ideals decide the direction it should go. now I know this is radical but i'm telling you the left will never allow this country to win this war. The left will pull us out of Iraq the secound they get a chance. The international community has no army, the US is the international comunities army. Let the left serve along with the right, then we shall see how patriot the left becomes, the hate americans or blame americans first will leave this country because they will be scared to serve, and let me be the first to say...Good ridence to bad rubbish. Also for those who think i'm just some kid, who won't serve i am in the army and i do serve. I made the choice to sacrifice my time and life for my country, why don't you?

2nd.
Shadow what the hell are you talking about? Not all republicans are millionaires. If your job is in trouble re-train. The Govt. has programs to help you with that. Don't be lazy, quit blamming Bush for your problems. We are not Europe or Canada. It is a personal responsability economy. You chose the field you work in and now the field is declineing. The Govt. should not be responsible for making sure you have a job. That is your responsibilty.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

Preemptingyou, I quit reading your links when I noticed that most of them were citing Mr. Powell's speech, which he has said was total bunk. Those 200,000 Iraqi police signed up for money. What did they do in Fallujah? Run.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by shadow 04
who cares probably all of bush's rich bitches done in FALLUJAH. How about us working class americans who don't make a million a year. My taxes went up $2,000 this year-wheres the tax break-my job is on the line because it's social services-this money monger who was appointed is nothing but a corporate narcissistic who is sending our children to their death in iraq to protect the money mongers in this country and the working class need to use their head. Anti-abortion bush so we have more soldiers to send somewhere to protect the money mongers and more people to employ at the minimum wage, nice guy, sure may he burn in hell.

First, Please try to string your words together in a way that are comprehendable to mortals not gifted with the gift of translation.

Second, Why on earth would anyone go to hell for opposing the murder of Innocent children?

As for the other posts on the draft. I am not sure how i think of this. It would be good if the young had more respect for our military and what they do. but im not sure drafting them is the best way to do it. For one, i dont think we should dilute the effectiveness of the military by putting people who dont want to be there in it. Part of what makes our force so strong is that its volenteer.