faith-based support groups for men addicted to pornography

[Powerman]

You may not have overdosed, Powerman, but you will probably be VERY sore!!!
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Who said anything about masturbating? I'm just going to watch it. Watching porn has the same effect on the brain as cocaine so after a few hours I should be dead. Say some prayers for me.

 

[Powerman]

Hobbit I don't know why you think you know so much about rapists. The simple thing is that racists are not much different that serial killers. They are sick and dimented individuals with little self control. They do it for power. People don't rape people because they are horny. Anyone who thinks that is not very educated.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You may not have overdosed, Powerman, but you will probably be VERY sore!!!
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Who said anything about masturbating? I'm just going to watch it. Watching porn has the same effect on the brain as cocaine so after a few hours I should be dead. Say some prayers for me.

Taking things too literally, or to obnoxious extremes, is neither funny nor effective in debating. Discuss.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Hobbit I don't know why you think you know so much about rapists. The simple thing is that racists are not much different that serial killers. They are sick and dimented individuals with little self control. They do it for power. People don't rape people because they are horny. Anyone who thinks that is not very educated.

Maybe it's a little of both. Maybe it varies by individual. Can your pea brain get around that concept? Quick being a condescending wank.

 

[Powerman]

The answer is simple. Peopld don't rape people because they are horny. Masturbating is much easier. And if cocaine had the same effects on the brain as porn then I should be dead after watching some finite amount of porn. Just because you disagree with me doesn't make you any smarter. I think my analogy is funny because it points out just how absurd hobbit's beliefs are.

 

[Hobbit]

Uh, maybe I know a little something about rapists because I actually listen to what reformed rapists say instead of some feminist speculating everything in order to make herself feel better. I would think the rapists probably know more than you, and I'm just repeating what they say. Additionally, some of you seem to be confining your conclusions to serial rapists. Just like serial killers aren't typical of all murderers, serial rapists are far different from your average rapist. I think the statistic reads that more than 90% of rape victims knew their attacker, which confines serial rapes to less that 10% of all rapes. When considering that non-serial rapists typically don't rape more than once, or at least not more than one victim, while serial rapists rape repeatedly, you must decrease even further the percentage of all rapists who are serial rapists.

 

[Shattered]

Umm.. Just how many "reformed rapists" do you know??

 

[Powerman]

Umm.. Just how many "reformed rapists" do you know??
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He tends to make things up. In another thread he claims that his source for information is that he took college physics classes and knows a guy with a PHD. He tells me gravity and magnetism aren't theories and I provided proof that they were. His friend with a PHD in physics must like messing with him.

 

[Hobbit]

Umm.. Just how many "reformed rapists" do you know??

There was a group of about 5 of them who showed up with a travelling support group at the University of Arkansas to give a talk on how a lack of sexual restraint led them to some pretty despicable crimes. They'd all spent their time in prison and 2 of them were still under parole. They were all monitored by the government and were not allowed to share any quarters with the rest of the group.

 

[Shattered]

You're basing your entire argument on what 'approximately' 5 people said, out of the thousands and thousands who have committed rape? Eeek.

 

[Hobbit]

You're basing your entire argument on what 'approximately' 5 people said, out of the thousands and thousands who have committed rape? Eeek.

And you're basing your opinion on what feminists who wouldn't even dirty themselves by talking to a rapist thinks. Which do you think is more credible. Also, that may be just 5 people, but these 5 people knew dozens, if not hundreds of other rapists from prison. They said that it's hardly ever about 'power' and that, while it's completely the rapist's fault, girls would be far less likely to be raped if they would avoid situations that make them vulerable, such as going up to a guy's room by themselves. Revealing clothing doesn't help, either.

Besides, I'd take the known facts from a few sample rapists over the speculations of feminist 'experts' with no corroborating evidence anyday.

 

[Shattered]

And you're basing your opinion on what feminists who wouldn't even dirty themselves by talking to a rapist thinks. Which do you think is more credible. Also, that may be just 5 people, but these 5 people knew dozens, if not hundreds of other rapists from prison. They said that it's hardly ever about 'power' and that, while it's completely the rapist's fault, girls would be far less likely to be raped if they would avoid situations that make them vulerable, such as going up to a guy's room by themselves. Revealing clothing doesn't help, either.

Besides, I'd take the known facts from a few sample rapists over the speculations of feminist 'experts' with no corroborating evidence anyday.

Can you show me precisely WHERE I did that?

 

[Said1]

And you're basing your opinion on what feminists who wouldn't even dirty themselves by talking to a rapist thinks. Which do you think is more credible. Also, that may be just 5 people, but these 5 people knew dozens, if not hundreds of other rapists from prison. They said that it's hardly ever about 'power' and that, while it's completely the rapist's fault, girls would be far less likely to be raped if they would avoid situations that make them vulerable, such as going up to a guy's room by themselves. Revealing clothing doesn't help, either.

Besides, I'd take the known facts from a few sample rapists over the speculations of feminist 'experts' with no corroborating evidence anyday.

Why? They know what happened to them. They know what it felt like to be punched and held down. Did your rapist friends talk about that? How many stalked their victims in parking lots or broke into their homes?

 

[Hobbit]

Why? They know what happened to them. They know what it felt like to be punched and held down. Did your rapist friends talk about that? How many stalked their victims in parking lots or broke into their homes?

Only one, and it was still about sex. Anyway, the stalking and breaking an entering bit is, once again, RARE. Most rapes occur when a boyfriend keeps going when his girlfriend says stop. That's not power. That's hormones.

As far as what the victims felt, I fail to see how that in any way goes to the motive of the rapist. A mugging victim probably feels similarly helpless as they're punched and held down, but chances are, the mugger may get a bit of thrill from the power trip, but what he wants is the wallet.

Can you show me precisely WHERE I did that?

The only people I've ever seen who claim that rape is about power are either psychologists who work for feminist groups or women's shelters and those who quote them. If you can show me a qualified study that actually investigates the motives of rapists through interview and shows that it's about power, I'll concede the point, but I've never seen any evidence to support that argument other than pure speculation.

 

[Hobbit]

On a side note, some people are turned on by power assertions, but in that case, it's still about the orgasm. It's just how they get off.

 

[Powerman]

The only people I've ever seen who claim that rape is about power are either psychologists who work for feminist groups or women's shelters and those who quote them.
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Why do you keep saying that the only things you've ever seen are fact? Maybe you are sheltered. If you think that porn and coke are the same thing and that rape is cause because people are horny maybe you are just a fucking idiot.

 

[Said1]

Only one, and it was still about sex. Anyway, the stalking and breaking an entering bit is, once again, RARE. Most rapes occur when a boyfriend keeps going when his girlfriend says stop. That's not power. That's hormones.

It's still force. Forcing someone to do something is not suppose to enhance your erection, is it?

When did violent rapes become rare?

As far as what the victims felt, I fail to see how that in any way goes to the motive of the rapist.

Really? Think about for a second. Why would someone do such a sick thing if instilling fear and overpowering someone wasn't a turn on. Does the thought of it make you hot?


A mugging victim probably feels similarly helpless as they're punched and held down, but chances are, the mugger may get a bit of thrill from the power trip, but what he wants is the wallet.

Just like some men get a hard on by over powering someone, holding a knife to their throat then sticking their dick in them? Or doing something less violent to their GIRLFRIEND, he only wants sex.

The only people I've ever seen who claim that rape is about power are either psychologists who work for feminist groups or women's shelters and those who quote them. If you can show me a qualified study that actually investigates the motives of rapists through interview and shows that it's about power, I'll concede the point, but I've never seen any evidence to support that argument other than pure speculation.

Abuse and violence is about power - overpowering someone, force, violence, dominence, submission. Find me a normal man who gets hot when he forces his girlfreind to make love to him. Just one. And btw, the only people I've ever seen excuse this just happens to be you, and the five rapists. Neat.

 

[Bonnie]

Hobbit

Porn is quite addictive. I've seen people who were very devout and tried to do everything right, but they were sucked in by the ease of access with online porn and were simply unable to stop. It can ruin families, careers, and psyches. Easily accessable porn is a one of the most destructive forces at work in the American family structure, yet society teaches us that it's normal and healthy.

I'm not just spouting, either. I have a friend who has been married for a year. He got into porn, thinking it was perfectly normal. It started with just a few pictures of naked women, but eventually, that wasn't enough. Just like an addiction, the "normal dose" couldn't produce the results any more, so he moved on to more hardcore stuff. From there, it went to homosexual porn and eventually child porn. Now, he's on his way to prison for at least a decade for child porn and molestation, and it all started with a little habit that society said was 'perfectly normal and healthy.'

That is exactly right. Many marriages break up because women are made to feel that they should be okay with their husbands looking at it and that if they are not they are the one's with the problem. What happens is men become addicted to the stimulation and as you said then it's not enough so it gets worse till it becomes hardcore. At that point men no longer see their wives as beautiful or connect with them intimately even during sex, the images of porn are all the men can see thus the wife becomes just a physical substitute for sexual gratification, and essentially men are cheating although not quite "technically". Women are told to not be jealous or insecure, which is bullshit because any woman who has confidence in herself would be showing it by not putting up with being second fiddle to manufactured images and have the guts to say so.

 

[Said1]

On a side note, some people are turned on by power assertions, but in that case, it's still about the orgasm. It's just how they get off.

Uhh hello, are you a sicko or what?

 

[Shattered]

The only people I've ever seen who claim that rape is about power are either psychologists who work for feminist groups or women's shelters and those who quote them. If you can show me a qualified study that actually investigates the motives of rapists through interview and shows that it's about power, I'll concede the point, but I've never seen any evidence to support that argument other than pure speculation.

You didn't answer my question... Where did I even state an OPINION, much less give you any indication of what it was based on?

...the only people you've ever seen... I have another question for you..

Have you ever been raped? Do you know a female that's been raped? No? It's more about power than you think. I'm not a psychologist, and I don't work for a women's shelter.

<i>PROFILE OF A RAPIST

Using methods not unlike those employed by FBI profilers to predict the behavior of serial killers, police and forensic psychologists have identified four profiles of rapists defined by motive, style of attack and psychosexual characteristics.

They are:

The power-assertive rapist

The anger-retaliation rapist

The power-reassurance rapist

The anger-excitation rapist

Such rapist behaviour profiles provide information that may be helpful in determining how best to respond to a specific kind of attacker.

These are the characteristics of each of the four rapist profiles:

Power-assertive rapist: Athletic, has a "macho" image of himself. More often than not, this is the type who commits date rapes. He typically meets his victim in a bar or nightclub. Instead of targeting a specific victim, he looks for an opportunity to get a woman alone with him, perhaps with an offer of a ride home or an invitation back to his place. Or he may con his victim into trusting him or letting him into her home, perhaps by posing as a policeman or repairman. Approximately 44 percent of rapes are committed by power-assertive rapists. He is physically aggressive, and will use the amount of force needed to control you -- degrading or obscene language, [brandishing] a weapon, slapping or punching -- but he does not intend to kill you.

Generally, begging and crying doesn't work with this guy. If you're going to resist, you've got to be serious. You've got to scream and fight him as hard as you can to get away.

Anger-retaliatory rapist: He feels animosity towards women and wants to punish and degrade them. Often he is a substance abuser. He is impulsive and has an explosive temper. He looks for an opportunity to commit the rape rather than for a specific victim. He attacks spontaneously and brutalizes the woman into submission. Thirty percent of rapists fall into the anger-retaliation category. He will grab you from behind and drag you into the bushes. He will often beat you to near-unconsciousness before committing the rape. Any level of resistance may well enrage him and cause him to beat the hell out of you until he gets what he wants. He's not looking to kill you, but the beating could be fatal. You do not want to challenge or enrage this type of rapist. You could try to escape. If you cannot get away or incapacitate the assailant, it's best to submit and try to limit the level of violence of the assault to the extent that you can.

Power-reassurance rapist: He lacks the self-confidence and interpersonal skills to develop relationships with women. He is passive and nonathletic. He lives or works near his victim, and "preselects" her by peeping or stalking. He typically breaks into her home in the early hours of the morning and awakens her. He uses minimal force and will threaten her with a weapon, but usually does not have one. He fantasizes that he is his victim's lover so he may ask her to disrobe or to wear a negligee and he will kiss her and engage in foreplay. The power-reassurance type accounts for 21 percent of rapists. He is the least violent type of rapist, and does not intend to hurt or kill you, Among the different types of rapists, he is most likely to be dissuaded if you scream, cry, plead or fight." In general it is more probable that you can discourage a rapist who uses this [power reassurance] approach. But you could instead be dealing with a power assertive rapist who is starting off with a softer approach. Try nonviolent tactics, crying, pleading, praying aloud while you're sizing up the assailant. If it works you may be able to escape the situation. But if he responds by becoming verbally abusive or degrading, he is likely a power assertive rapist and you will have to evaluate whether you are capable of fighting him off.

"Women need to rely on their instincts. When confronted with a rapist they will try various techniques. In this situation, take full advantage of your instincts in trying to figure out which type of rapist you are dealing with".

Anger-excitation rapist: A sadist, who derives sexual gratification from inflicting pain. He is typically charming and intelligent. The crime is premeditated and rehearsed methodically in his mind before it is attempted. His victims may or may not be strangers. He will tie, gag and blindfold them and torture them over a period of days, even recording his crimes in a diary, taking photographs or videotaping them. Just five percent of rapists fit this description.

Of the four types he is the most criminally sophisticated and it's difficult to catch him. He's got absolute control over you so there's no question of any type of resistance or of escaping. Oftentimes he kills his victims, either to get rid of a witness or to gratify a psychosexual need." This is probably the most dangerous situation a woman can be in. If you're tied up, you're going to have to match wits with this guy and trick him or talk him into untying you so you have at least some chance of escape.

Most rapists are not murderers. It is less likely that a woman - even one who has taken a women's self-defense course -- can overcome the intensity of the violence that an anger rapist will inflict. But power rapists commit nearly two-thirds of all rapes, and you have a fighting chance to fend them off. If you assess the situation and feel confident of your ability to fight or talk your way out of [being raped], go ahead and do it.

There are women who have yelled or fought back, whether they've taken self-defense classes or not, and have not gotten raped. To tell a woman 'don't do anything, be the passive female' is absolute (nonsense)."

Given that the goal of all women who are in imminent danger of being raped is to avoid it, they should rely on their instincts rather than assume that they have to submit. But whatever her instincts tell her to do, If a woman survives, she made the right choice. </i>