Fact check: Trump, in 2023, tells a new lie about the 2020 election

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

And the grift goes on. It's not enough that people are sitting in jail because of Trump's election lies. It's not enough that Fox News, the once darling media outlet of conservatives, has taken a financial hit because they helped spread Trump's lies. It's not enough that people have now lost their jobs over Trump's lies. He continues to spin them because at the end of the day it's all about him. It always has been.

In a speech to a Republican gathering in Florida on Friday, during which he repeated his usual lie that the 2020 election was “rigged and stolen,” Trump pointedly noted that Biden got more votes than Trump in fewer than a fifth of US counties in 2020. Trump then said, “Nothing like this has ever happened before. Usually it’s very equal, or – but the winner always had the most counties.”

Facts First: Trump’s claim that the winner of every presidential election before 2020 always carried the most counties is false. The two previous Democratic winners before Biden, Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, carried a minority of counties in each of their victories. Obama won about 28% of counties in his 2008 victory and even fewer, about 22% of counties, in his 2012 victory, according to figures provided to CNN by David Wasserman, a prominent analyst of election data who is a senior editor at The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter. Like Biden, Obama won the national popular vote by millions even as he carried fewer than a third of counties.

Biden carried about 17% of counties while beating Trump in 2020, a smaller percentage of counties than Obama carried while winning in 2008 and 2012, but there is nothing odd about the 2020 figure. In fact, it’s easy to explain. Land doesn’t vote, people do. In the current political era, Democratic presidential candidates have tended to be dominant in the most populous counties, some of which have hundreds of thousands or even millions of people, while Republicans have tended to do best in areas with fewer residents.

MSN

 

[marvin martian]

And the grift goes on. It's not enough that people are sitting in jail because of Trump's election lies. It's not enough that Fox News, the once darling media outlet of conservatives, has taken a financial hit because they helped spread Trump's lies. It's not enough that people have now lost their jobs over Trump's lies. He continues to spin them because at the end of the day it's all about him. It always has been.

In a speech to a Republican gathering in Florida on Friday, during which he repeated his usual lie that the 2020 election was “rigged and stolen,” Trump pointedly noted that Biden got more votes than Trump in fewer than a fifth of US counties in 2020. Trump then said, “Nothing like this has ever happened before. Usually it’s very equal, or – but the winner always had the most counties.”

Facts First: Trump’s claim that the winner of every presidential election before 2020 always carried the most counties is false. The two previous Democratic winners before Biden, Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, carried a minority of counties in each of their victories. Obama won about 28% of counties in his 2008 victory and even fewer, about 22% of counties, in his 2012 victory, according to figures provided to CNN by David Wasserman, a prominent analyst of election data who is a senior editor at The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter. Like Biden, Obama won the national popular vote by millions even as he carried fewer than a third of counties.

Biden carried about 17% of counties while beating Trump in 2020, a smaller percentage of counties than Obama carried while winning in 2008 and 2012, but there is nothing odd about the 2020 figure. In fact, it’s easy to explain. Land doesn’t vote, people do. In the current political era, Democratic presidential candidates have tended to be dominant in the most populous counties, some of which have hundreds of thousands or even millions of people, while Republicans have tended to do best in areas with fewer residents.

MSN

You think about Donald Trump A LOT.

 

[basquebromance]

“As the vilest writer hath his readers, so the greatest liar hath his believers: and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it hath done its work.”

—Jonathan Swift, “The Art of Political Lying,” 1710

 

[JGalt]

You think about Donald Trump A LOT.

TDS is a terrible affliction.

 

[basquebromance]

You think about Donald Trump A LOT.

well he is kind of an influential figure. just a little bit!

 

[Nostra]

Shouldn't this be in the Elections Forum?

 

[basquebromance]

TDS is a terrible affliction.

you're the one who has TDS

Trans Derangement Sexophile

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You think about Donald Trump A LOT.

He's currently the leading Republican for the party nomination. Is there a reason we shouldn't be discussing him other than you being concerned about people hearing about his many flaws?

 

[basquebromance]

Shouldn't this be in the Elections Forum?

he said FOX News in the OP, so it might belong in the media forum. or just throw it in the Africa forum, since Trump hates Africans lol

 

[Lastamender]

And the grift goes on. It's not enough that people are sitting in jail because of Trump's election lies. It's not enough that Fox News, the once darling media outlet of conservatives, has taken a financial hit because they helped spread Trump's lies. It's not enough that people have now lost their jobs over Trump's lies. He continues to spin them because at the end of the day it's all about him. It always has been.

In a speech to a Republican gathering in Florida on Friday, during which he repeated his usual lie that the 2020 election was “rigged and stolen,” Trump pointedly noted that Biden got more votes than Trump in fewer than a fifth of US counties in 2020. Trump then said, “Nothing like this has ever happened before. Usually it’s very equal, or – but the winner always had the most counties.”

Facts First: Trump’s claim that the winner of every presidential election before 2020 always carried the most counties is false. The two previous Democratic winners before Biden, Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, carried a minority of counties in each of their victories. Obama won about 28% of counties in his 2008 victory and even fewer, about 22% of counties, in his 2012 victory, according to figures provided to CNN by David Wasserman, a prominent analyst of election data who is a senior editor at The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter. Like Biden, Obama won the national popular vote by millions even as he carried fewer than a third of counties.

Biden carried about 17% of counties while beating Trump in 2020, a smaller percentage of counties than Obama carried while winning in 2008 and 2012, but there is nothing odd about the 2020 figure. In fact, it’s easy to explain. Land doesn’t vote, people do. In the current political era, Democratic presidential candidates have tended to be dominant in the most populous counties, some of which have hundreds of thousands or even millions of people, while Republicans have tended to do best in areas with fewer residents.

MSN

Nice try. The fraud was fucking obvious. Why are you still talking about something you say never happened? You still are because it happened. I hope you realize that.

 

[basquebromance]

Every president lies—at some point.

It’s the nature of politics and diplomacy. Sometimes, a president might convince himself that a lie is in the national interest. A president might lie to shield the public from damaging information that could undermine sensitive missions. A lie could be a way to protect intelligence vital to national security. Or a presidential falsehood could be inadvertent, the result of sloppy staff work or wishful thinking.

Not every lie is equal. There is the daily fluff of campaigning—marketing embellishments meant to secure political support, such as Obama’s “If you like your health-care...” There are lies to prevent embarrassment, such as JFK’s denial that he had Addison’s disease or Bill Clinton’s denial that he had an affair. There are lies to protect national security, such as Kennedy faking a cold to cancel a campaign tour so he could meet with top aides about the still-secret Cuban Missile Crisis. And at the top of the scale, there are lies to cover up important crimes—such as the Watergate scandal—and lies of policy deception: LBJ minimizing the war in Vietnam, Nixon hiding the secret bombing of Cambodia, and Reagan denying the Iran-Contra scandal.

Just about every recent president is associated with one big lie. Sometimes, a falsehood becomes notorious because it seemed out of character for that president.

Eisenhower, now ranked by many historians as one of the greatest presidents, approved a series of statements designed to cover up secret overflights of the Soviet Union by American U-2 spy planes. The president’s misleading comments were based on the mistaken belief that the pilot of a missing U.S. “weather plane” was dead and his aircraft had been destroyed. But the pilot, Gary Powers, had miraculously survived after being shot down by Russian surface-to-air missiles. Eisenhower’s error proved to be a propaganda bonanza for Nikita Khrushchev, as the Soviets could disprove U.S. claims with both a live pilot and the plane’s wreckage.

Years later, Eisenhower was asked what his “greatest regret” as president was. “The lie we told,” he said. “I didn’t realize how high a price we were going to pay for that lie.”

And then there’s Trump, the most mendacious president in U.S. history. He almost never expresses regret. He’s not known for one big lie—just a constant stream of exaggerated, invented, boastful, purposely outrageous, spiteful, inconsistent, dubious and false claims.

According to the Washington Post:

"From the start of Trump’s presidency, The Washington Post Fact Checker team has catalogued every false or misleading statement he has made. As of Jan. 20, 2020, three years after Trump took the oath of office, the count stood at 16,241.

That works out to about 15 claims per day. But the pace of deception has quickened exponentially. He averaged about six claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019. Indeed, the president made more false or misleading claims in 2019 than he did in 2017 and 2018 combined."

 

[Lastamender]

He's currently the leading Republican for the party nomination. Is there a reason we shouldn't be discussing him other than you being concerned about people hearing about his many flaws?

No incest.

 

[marvin martian]

Every president lies—at some point.

It’s the nature of politics and diplomacy. Sometimes, a president might convince himself that a lie is in the national interest. A president might lie to shield the public from damaging information that could undermine sensitive missions. A lie could be a way to protect intelligence vital to national security. Or a presidential falsehood could be inadvertent, the result of sloppy staff work or wishful thinking.

Not every lie is equal. There is the daily fluff of campaigning—marketing embellishments meant to secure political support, such as Obama’s “If you like your health-care...” There are lies to prevent embarrassment, such as JFK’s denial that he had Addison’s disease or Bill Clinton’s denial that he had an affair. There are lies to protect national security, such as Kennedy faking a cold to cancel a campaign tour so he could meet with top aides about the still-secret Cuban Missile Crisis. And at the top of the scale, there are lies to cover up important crimes—such as the Watergate scandal—and lies of policy deception: LBJ minimizing the war in Vietnam, Nixon hiding the secret bombing of Cambodia, and Reagan denying the Iran-Contra scandal.

Just about every recent president is associated with one big lie. Sometimes, a falsehood becomes notorious because it seemed out of character for that president.

Eisenhower, now ranked by many historians as one of the greatest presidents, approved a series of statements designed to cover up secret overflights of the Soviet Union by American U-2 spy planes. The president’s misleading comments were based on the mistaken belief that the pilot of a missing U.S. “weather plane” was dead and his aircraft had been destroyed. But the pilot, Gary Powers, had miraculously survived after being shot down by Russian surface-to-air missiles. Eisenhower’s error proved to be a propaganda bonanza for Nikita Khrushchev, as the Soviets could disprove U.S. claims with both a live pilot and the plane’s wreckage.

Years later, Eisenhower was asked what his “greatest regret” as president was. “The lie we told,” he said. “I didn’t realize how high a price we were going to pay for that lie.”

And then there’s Trump, the most mendacious president in U.S. history. He almost never expresses regret. He’s not known for one big lie—just a constant stream of exaggerated, invented, boastful, purposely outrageous, spiteful, inconsistent, dubious and false claims.

According to the Washington Post:

"From the start of Trump’s presidency, The Washington Post Fact Checker team has catalogued every false or misleading statement he has made. As of Jan. 20, 2020, three years after Trump took the oath of office, the count stood at 16,241.

That works out to about 15 claims per day. But the pace of deception has quickened exponentially. He averaged about six claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019. Indeed, the president made more false or misleading claims in 2019 than he did in 2017 and 2018 combined."

Biden has told over 200,000 lies in his career, including this one, which probably killed 300,000 Americans:

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

And the grift goes on. It's not enough that people are sitting in jail because of Trump's election lies. It's not enough that Fox News, the once darling media outlet of conservatives, has taken a financial hit because they helped spread Trump's lies. It's not enough that people have now lost their jobs over Trump's lies. He continues to spin them because at the end of the day it's all about him. It always has been.

In a speech to a Republican gathering in Florida on Friday, during which he repeated his usual lie that the 2020 election was “rigged and stolen,” Trump pointedly noted that Biden got more votes than Trump in fewer than a fifth of US counties in 2020. Trump then said, “Nothing like this has ever happened before. Usually it’s very equal, or – but the winner always had the most counties.”

Facts First: Trump’s claim that the winner of every presidential election before 2020 always carried the most counties is false. The two previous Democratic winners before Biden, Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, carried a minority of counties in each of their victories. Obama won about 28% of counties in his 2008 victory and even fewer, about 22% of counties, in his 2012 victory, according to figures provided to CNN by David Wasserman, a prominent analyst of election data who is a senior editor at The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter. Like Biden, Obama won the national popular vote by millions even as he carried fewer than a third of counties.

Biden carried about 17% of counties while beating Trump in 2020, a smaller percentage of counties than Obama carried while winning in 2008 and 2012, but there is nothing odd about the 2020 figure. In fact, it’s easy to explain. Land doesn’t vote, people do. In the current political era, Democratic presidential candidates have tended to be dominant in the most populous counties, some of which have hundreds of thousands or even millions of people, while Republicans have tended to do best in areas with fewer residents.

MSN

Check your TDS

JACKASS


Another 3 or 4 month ban for that insult incoming?

 

[BlueGin]

You think about Donald Trump A LOT.

I was just going to say the same thing.

 

[basquebromance]

Biden has told over 200,000 lies in his career, including this one, which probably killed 300,000 Americans:

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At a January 2020 rally, Trump casually announced that he had “made a deal. I saved a country.” He contended that he should have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for achieving peace between Ethiopia and neighboring Eritrea. Ethiopia’s prime minister had been given the Nobel for negotiating a peace deal after 20 years of bloody conflict. Trump had had nothing to do with those peace talks.

Trump had confused these negotiations with another set of talks, between Ethiopia and Egypt, and he had maligned the head of another country. In any other presidency, such remarks likely would have resulted in a scandal or at least days of negative news reports. In the Trump presidency, the statement passed by with virtually no notice.

In fact, all you Trumpanzees have probably never heard of ANY of that: Ethiopia, Egypt, Eritrea, or Trump's lie about those African countries

 

[Moonglow]

No incest.

How in the hell would you know or not know?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I was just going to say the same thing.

It's what hacks do. They obsess

 

[Lastamender]

How in the hell would you know or not know?

I don't accuse people with no evidence against them.

 

[JGalt]

you're the one who has TDS

Trans Derangement Sexophile

If anyone should realize by now that transgenders have separate goals that shouldn't be lumped in with the cause of gay rights, that would be you, my friend. They are sucking all the air out of the room and turning your movement into something it wasn't meant to be.

It's a shame that a 100% straight heterosexual man has to tell you this, but it is what it is.