Fact about d day.....thousands of Americans died because

[Marion Morrison]

Yes but if the question is why weren’t the shore defenses at Normandy destroyed prior to invasion, we know the answer. The allies wanted the Germans believing the invasion was to be elsewhere. So, they didn’t bomb those shore defenses.

At any rate, WWII aerial bombing was not that effective in destroying enemy forces. The US bombed NK and Vietnam ruthlessly and more consistently than they did Germany and Japan, but failed to win either war.

I just watched a documentary on that the other night. "The Atlantic Wall".
US and UK bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure. But yeah, they didn't bomb the beaches they were going to invade to throw the Krauts off.

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Who are you to judge?! You were not around...next!

 

[Frannie]

I just watched a documentary on that the other night. "The Atlantic Wall".
US and UK bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure. But yeah, they didn't bomb the beaches they were going to invade to throw the Krauts off.

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Who are you to judge?! You were not around...next!

My father might have been there so screw you

 

[task0778]

Yes but if the question is why weren’t the shore defenses at Normandy destroyed prior to invasion, we know the answer. The allies wanted the Germans believing the invasion was to be elsewhere. So, they didn’t bomb those shore defenses.

At any rate, WWII aerial bombing was not that effective in destroying enemy forces. The US bombed NK and Vietnam ruthlessly and more consistently than they did Germany and Japan, but failed to win either war.

I just watched a documentary on that the other night. "The Atlantic Wall".
US and UK bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure. But yeah, they didn't bomb the beaches they were going to invade to throw the Krauts off.

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Actually, yes they did. Do you know ANYTHING about D-Day?

The final plan was as follows: On D-Day minus two, almost half the bombing effort would be in the Pas-de-Calais as part of the Fortitude plan. The next day, half the crews rested while the others were given so-called "milk runs." The RAF Bomber Command would open D-Day with a midnight bombing of coastal batteries and Caen. At first light, the U.S. Eighth Air Force, 1,200 B-17s (Flying Fortresses) and B-24s (Liberators) strong, would bomb for one-half hour the beaches on the Calvados coast while B-26s (Marauders) from Ninth Air Force saturated Utah Beach. If the sky was clear, the bombing would cease five minutes before the troops went ashore; if cloudy, ten minutes.
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In the briefing rooms at 0200, June 6, the men buzzed with excitement. They agreed that this had to be the invasion. The briefing officers, "grinning like a skunk eating chocolate," called them to attention, pulled back the curtain covering the map, and announced the target. As Lt. Carl Carden of the 370th Bomb Group remembered it, "Everything exploded and the cheers went up all over the room and there was a long period of joy. Now we were getting down to business and from now on the Americans were on the attack."

The details of the briefing kept most spirits high; the crews were told they would be flying high, that flak would be light and the Luftwaffe nonexistent. Nevertheless, what about fighter cover, someone asked. "There will be 3,500 Allied fighters over the beach this morning," one briefer assured them.

"We were told it was our job to prepare the ground to the best of our ability to enable the infantry to get ashore, to stay ashore, and fight and win," Lt. John Robinson of the 344th Bomb Group, Ninth Air Force said. "We also hoped that while they were about it they'd kill a whole bunch of those damned antiaircraft gunners for whom we had no love or pity."

But for the Marauder crews headed for the Cotentin coast, where they would be hitting artillery emplacements, the details of their mission were distinctly discouraging. They would be going in at 500 feet, if necessary.

"Did he say 500 feet?" Sergeant Lovelace asked a buddy. "That shook us some. The last time B-26s had gone down on the deck like that they had lost ten out of ten in a low-level mission in Holland."

The Marauder, a two-engine medium bomber built by Martin, had high tail fins, a cigar-shaped body, and short wings. The crews called the B-26 the "flying prostitute" because she had "no visible means of support." They had an affection for the craft that was well expressed by Lieutenant Robinson: "The Marauders were, without any doubt, the best bombers in the whole wide world."

For Lt. J. K. Havener of the Ninth Air Force, the target was the gun position near Barfleur at St.-Martin-de-Varreville. His plane would carry twenty 250-pound general-purpose bombs. "Our mission was not to knock out the gun positions but to stun the German gunners and infantry, keeping them holed up, and to create a network of ready-made foxholes which our troops could use when they gained a foothold on what was to become known as Utah Beach."

The B-17s were to go in at 20,000 feet, 10,000 feet lower than normal, with bomb loads one-third heavier than usual. Targets were coastal batteries and Omaha and the British invasion beaches. Each Fortress carried sixteen 500-pound bombs.
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As the low-flying Marauders approached Utah Beach, the sky brightened and the crews saw a sight unique in world history. None of them ever forgot it; all of them found it difficult to describe. Below them, hundreds of landing craft were running into shore, leaving white wakes. Behind the landing craft were the LSTs and other transports, and the destroyers, cruisers, and battleships. "As I looked down at this magnificent operation," Lt. Allen Stephens, a copilot in a B-26 of the 397th Bomb Group said, "I had the surging feeling that I was sitting in on the greatest show ever staged."

Lt. William Moriarity, a B-26 pilot, said, "As we approached the coast, we could see ships shelling the beach. One destroyer, half sunk, was still firing from the floating end. The beach was a bedlam of exploding bombs and shells."

Lieutenant Corry remembered that "the water was just full of boats, like bunches of ants crawling around down there. I imagined all those young men huddled in the landing craft, doubtless scared to death. I could see what they were heading into and I prayed for all those brave young men. I thought, man, I'm up here looking down at this stuff and they're out there waiting to get on that beach."

For the B-17 crews, flying mainly at 20,000 feet, up above the clouds, there was no such sight. They could see nothing but other B-17s. Those that could tucked in behind a pathfinder plane carrying radar. With radar, the lead bombardier would be able to mark a general target area. When the lead plane dropped its bombs, so would the ones following. That was not a textbook method of providing close-in ground support; such bombing was clearly inappropriate to its purpose. Eisenhower had said when he postponed the invasion that he was counting heavily on the air bombardment to get ashore; he added that the Allies would not have undertaken the operation without that asset.

Eventually, after the infamous short bombardment in late July, on the eve of Operation Cobra, Eisenhower learned the lesson that the B-17 was not a suitable weapon for tactical ground support. The testimony from the B-17 pilots and crews describing their experiences on D-Day suggests that the asset was wasted on D-Day, and that the proper use would have been to do what the B-17 was built to do, pound away at big targets inside Germany (oil refineries, train depots, factory complexes, airfields), and leave the beach bombardment to the Marauders and A-20s (Havocs).



Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

 

[Frannie]

I just watched a documentary on that the other night. "The Atlantic Wall".
US and UK bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure. But yeah, they didn't bomb the beaches they were going to invade to throw the Krauts off.

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Actually, yes they did. Do you know ANYTHING about D-Day?

The final plan was as follows: On D-Day minus two, almost half the bombing effort would be in the Pas-de-Calais as part of the Fortitude plan. The next day, half the crews rested while the others were given so-called "milk runs." The RAF Bomber Command would open D-Day with a midnight bombing of coastal batteries and Caen. At first light, the U.S. Eighth Air Force, 1,200 B-17s (Flying Fortresses) and B-24s (Liberators) strong, would bomb for one-half hour the beaches on the Calvados coast while B-26s (Marauders) from Ninth Air Force saturated Utah Beach. If the sky was clear, the bombing would cease five minutes before the troops went ashore; if cloudy, ten minutes.
.
.
In the briefing rooms at 0200, June 6, the men buzzed with excitement. They agreed that this had to be the invasion. The briefing officers, "grinning like a skunk eating chocolate," called them to attention, pulled back the curtain covering the map, and announced the target. As Lt. Carl Carden of the 370th Bomb Group remembered it, "Everything exploded and the cheers went up all over the room and there was a long period of joy. Now we were getting down to business and from now on the Americans were on the attack."

The details of the briefing kept most spirits high; the crews were told they would be flying high, that flak would be light and the Luftwaffe nonexistent. Nevertheless, what about fighter cover, someone asked. "There will be 3,500 Allied fighters over the beach this morning," one briefer assured them.

"We were told it was our job to prepare the ground to the best of our ability to enable the infantry to get ashore, to stay ashore, and fight and win," Lt. John Robinson of the 344th Bomb Group, Ninth Air Force said. "We also hoped that while they were about it they'd kill a whole bunch of those damned antiaircraft gunners for whom we had no love or pity."

But for the Marauder crews headed for the Cotentin coast, where they would be hitting artillery emplacements, the details of their mission were distinctly discouraging. They would be going in at 500 feet, if necessary.

"Did he say 500 feet?" Sergeant Lovelace asked a buddy. "That shook us some. The last time B-26s had gone down on the deck like that they had lost ten out of ten in a low-level mission in Holland."

The Marauder, a two-engine medium bomber built by Martin, had high tail fins, a cigar-shaped body, and short wings. The crews called the B-26 the "flying prostitute" because she had "no visible means of support." They had an affection for the craft that was well expressed by Lieutenant Robinson: "The Marauders were, without any doubt, the best bombers in the whole wide world."

For Lt. J. K. Havener of the Ninth Air Force, the target was the gun position near Barfleur at St.-Martin-de-Varreville. His plane would carry twenty 250-pound general-purpose bombs. "Our mission was not to knock out the gun positions but to stun the German gunners and infantry, keeping them holed up, and to create a network of ready-made foxholes which our troops could use when they gained a foothold on what was to become known as Utah Beach."

The B-17s were to go in at 20,000 feet, 10,000 feet lower than normal, with bomb loads one-third heavier than usual. Targets were coastal batteries and Omaha and the British invasion beaches. Each Fortress carried sixteen 500-pound bombs.
.
.
As the low-flying Marauders approached Utah Beach, the sky brightened and the crews saw a sight unique in world history. None of them ever forgot it; all of them found it difficult to describe. Below them, hundreds of landing craft were running into shore, leaving white wakes. Behind the landing craft were the LSTs and other transports, and the destroyers, cruisers, and battleships. "As I looked down at this magnificent operation," Lt. Allen Stephens, a copilot in a B-26 of the 397th Bomb Group said, "I had the surging feeling that I was sitting in on the greatest show ever staged."

Lt. William Moriarity, a B-26 pilot, said, "As we approached the coast, we could see ships shelling the beach. One destroyer, half sunk, was still firing from the floating end. The beach was a bedlam of exploding bombs and shells."

Lieutenant Corry remembered that "the water was just full of boats, like bunches of ants crawling around down there. I imagined all those young men huddled in the landing craft, doubtless scared to death. I could see what they were heading into and I prayed for all those brave young men. I thought, man, I'm up here looking down at this stuff and they're out there waiting to get on that beach."

For the B-17 crews, flying mainly at 20,000 feet, up above the clouds, there was no such sight. They could see nothing but other B-17s. Those that could tucked in behind a pathfinder plane carrying radar. With radar, the lead bombardier would be able to mark a general target area. When the lead plane dropped its bombs, so would the ones following. That was not a textbook method of providing close-in ground support; such bombing was clearly inappropriate to its purpose. Eisenhower had said when he postponed the invasion that he was counting heavily on the air bombardment to get ashore; he added that the Allies would not have undertaken the operation without that asset.

Eventually, after the infamous short bombardment in late July, on the eve of Operation Cobra, Eisenhower learned the lesson that the B-17 was not a suitable weapon for tactical ground support. The testimony from the B-17 pilots and crews describing their experiences on D-Day suggests that the asset was wasted on D-Day, and that the proper use would have been to do what the B-17 was built to do, pound away at big targets inside Germany (oil refineries, train depots, factory complexes, airfields), and leave the beach bombardment to the Marauders and A-20s (Havocs).



Stephen E. Ambrose, D-Day June 6 1944

7000 planes were in the air that could not see their targets because of low cloud cover. Ike is was and always will be an idiot, Patton should have shot him, they hated each other

 

[Marion Morrison]

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Who are you to judge?! You were not around...next!

My father might have been there so screw you

Might have? You don't know? That's pretty weak. My father wasn't, but my uncle, cousin, and friend's dad was.

Do you know who your dad is, or wtf?!

 

[task0778]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"


Furthermore, the naval bombardment was too short, perhaps in fear of hitting our own troops going ashore.

The naval bombardment was limited by its short duration. General Bradley dismissed most advice he received from veterans of amphibious landings in the Pacific. The bombardment was to start at dawn (05.45am) and only lasted for forty minutes, until 06.25am. Many naval commanders felt that the landings should have been delayed for longer to allow for a longer, and possibly more destructive, naval bombardment.

The final part of the naval bombardment was performed by nine LCT(R)s (Landing Craft, Tank (Rocket), which between them launched 9,000 rockets at the beach, but this time the attack was made from too far out, and the rockets fell short, into the sea below the low-tide mark. As the first waves of infantry approached the beach the German defences were largely intact.
Omaha Beach, 6 June 1944

 

[Frannie]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

Them big Navy guns never did hit squat, they likely killed more sailors then enemy

 

[Markle]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

 

[Frannie]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

You just offered no info to refute what I said, so it stands

Next

 

[Markle]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Given your youthful age, your ignorance is not surprising.

 

[Frannie]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Given your youthful age, your ignorance is not surprising.

My father fought on Okinawa...…………………..

Fart on kid

 

[Maxdeath]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

Them big Navy guns never did hit squat, they likely killed more sailors then enemy

I am going to make a guess that no matter what anyone proves, provides, or shows you will never change your mind as that would be to admit that you could be wrong.

For such a supposed screwup the military still uses DDay as a remarkable example of a successful invasion. While there were small problems and mistakes the shear size and scope of the invasion, the timing was absolutely remarkable.

 

[task0778]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

Them big Navy guns never did hit squat, they likely killed more sailors then enemy

That so, killed more of our sailors than Germans? Where's your link to somebody that actually knows a damn thing about D-Day that said that? Frankly, I don't think you know anything about D-Day.

 

[task0778]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

You just offered no info to refute what I said, so it stands

Next

Nor did you offer any supporting evidence of your own to support the nonsense you are spouting.

 

[Frannie]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

Them big Navy guns never did hit squat, they likely killed more sailors then enemy

I am going to make a guess that no matter what anyone proves, provides, or shows you will never change your mind as that would be to admit that you could be wrong.

For such a supposed screwup the military still uses DDay as a remarkable example of a successful invasion. While there were small problems and mistakes the shear size and scope of the invasion, the timing was absolutely remarkable.

If they didn't call it a remarkable invasion they would be admitting letting 4000 BOYS die. The fact is that 7000 planes could not see their targets due to low cloud cover, D day was a fuckup

 

[Markle]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

On Netflix and Amazon Prime there are numerous excellent documentaries on this very topic. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

 

[Frannie]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

You just offered no info to refute what I said, so it stands

Next

Nor did you offer any supporting evidence of your own to support the nonsense you are spouting.

I would have better luck proving who was on the grassy knoll in Dallas. The fact is that if the 500lb bombs landed on the German guns they would have not shot anyone on that beach. Logical

 

[Frannie]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

On Netflix and Amazon Prime there are numerous excellent documentaries on this very topic. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

There was no Arial bombardment of the German positions on the beach, Ike the moron thought it would give away the attack. Ike killed those boys

 

[Frannie]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

On Netflix and Amazon Prime there are numerous excellent documentaries on this very topic. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

Would these soldiers be there if a 500lb bomb hit them?

Nope

 

[task0778]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

You just offered no info to refute what I said, so it stands

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Nor did you offer any supporting evidence of your own to support the nonsense you are spouting.

I would have better luck proving who was on the grassy knoll in Dallas. The fact is that if the 500lb bombs landed on the German guns they would have not shot anyone on that beach. Logical

Still no link, I'm pretty sure now that you are running your mouth without the slightest bit of evidence.

Seriously dude, you think it's easy to drop a 500 lb bomb on a fortified concrete pillbox with anti-aircraft guns blazing away at you? Even on a clear day?

I'm done here, what we have is some kid who is yanking our chain.