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expect Rams to be back in LA next year.
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3 NFL teams want LA. Here's who may get there
Vrooman said. Assuming the league decides to approve relocation of only one team, the Rams would likely win out because of Kroenke's stadium plan, which promotes wider economic development.
Three National Football League franchises filed this week to relocate toLos Angeles. But while the huge market can support a thriving sports scene, at least one of those teams probably won't make it there, experts said.
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St. Louis Rams fans display a banner in the fourth quarter against the San Francisco 49ers at St. Louis' Edward Jones Dome on Nov. 1, 2015.
The Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers and St. Louis Rams on Monday submitted applications to relocate — getting in their requests on the the first day they could do so. All three have postured to settle into the city, the second-largest in the U.S., which the Raiders and Rams both already left once, after the 1994 season.
Relocating to LA would almost certainly improve the financial prospects of the franchises. But facing a complicated process and the possibility of a crowded market, the NFL may approve the relocation of only one or two teams.
An owners' meeting next week could yield a vote on relocation plans, which would need approval from 24 of the league's 32 teams.
Each franchise has a strong incentive to move, as they have faced difficulties securing new stadiums and would likely see a big financial boost in Los Angeles. Any of the teams could see their value spike above $2.1 billion if they moved there, at least $500 million higher than if they stayed put, according to rough projections by John Vrooman, a Vanderbilt University sports economist.
That factors in the hefty fee a relocating team would owe the league. Vrooman estimates the teams would have to pay $375 million, which could reach upwards of $550 million depending on how the league calculates it.
Approval could hinge on the strength of potential venues. Rams owner Stan Kroenke last year proposed a new stadium and commercial facility that would cost an estimated $1.8 billion in Inglewood, which sits southwest of downtown L.A.
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The Chargers and Raiders later proposed an estimated $1.7 billion joint venue in nearby Carson, backed byWalt DisneyCEO Bob Iger. The media giant has a strong connection to the NFL through its sports network ESPN.
All three teams have claims to L.A, but one or even two of them could lose the sweepstakes. The process remains uncertain not only because of the business considerations but also internal politics among league owners, said David Carter, principal at The Sports Business Group.
Here are some potential scenarios outlined by experts:
Chargers and Rams both move to LA
The Rams could end up sharing the Inglewood stadium with the Chargers, said Andrew Zimbalist, a professor of economics at Smith College inNorthampton, Massachusetts,who studies sports. He contended that owners of both teams draw more respect politically from their peers than the Raiders' ownership does, which could prove crucial in the voting process.
He said the Inglewood facility proposed by the Rams could potentially offer a wider economic boost than the Carson venue. Zimbalist added that the Chargers, based on geographic location, and Rams, from their previous presence in L.A., would be able to generate fan bases there with relative ease.
But if history in the L.A. area matters, one may wonder why Zimbalist thinks the Rams would see a benefit, while the Raiders would not. His answer: The Raiders' ownership has butted heads with other owners in the past, which makes things politically difficult for the team. "I think that (the NFL owners) have no desire to let them move back again."
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The Raiders move to LA
Relocating two teams seems feasible based on the city's size.The Los Angeles metro areaboasts the second-largest number of television households in the U.S., with more than 5.5 million, Vrooman said.
However, he noted that "TV ratings and viewership for sporting events is typically lower in L.A. compared to other megamarkets, even if an L.A. team is involved in the game." When the Raiders and Rams both played in L.A., games were often blacked out on local T.V. because the teams failed to sell out tickets, Vrooman said.
Regardless of a city's size, the NFL prefers one-team "monopoly" markets to two-team "duopoly" markets, Vrooman said. The same number of NFL fans support one team instead of two, effectively driving ticket prices higher.
Vrooman said. Assuming the league decides to approve relocation of only one team, the Rams would likely win out because of Kroenke's stadium plan, which promotes wider economic development.
Three National Football League franchises filed this week to relocate toLos Angeles. But while the huge market can support a thriving sports scene, at least one of those teams probably won't make it there, experts said.
Dilip Vishwanat | Getty Images
St. Louis Rams fans display a banner in the fourth quarter against the San Francisco 49ers at St. Louis' Edward Jones Dome on Nov. 1, 2015.
The Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers and St. Louis Rams on Monday submitted applications to relocate — getting in their requests on the the first day they could do so. All three have postured to settle into the city, the second-largest in the U.S., which the Raiders and Rams both already left once, after the 1994 season.
Relocating to LA would almost certainly improve the financial prospects of the franchises. But facing a complicated process and the possibility of a crowded market, the NFL may approve the relocation of only one or two teams.
An owners' meeting next week could yield a vote on relocation plans, which would need approval from 24 of the league's 32 teams.
Each franchise has a strong incentive to move, as they have faced difficulties securing new stadiums and would likely see a big financial boost in Los Angeles. Any of the teams could see their value spike above $2.1 billion if they moved there, at least $500 million higher than if they stayed put, according to rough projections by John Vrooman, a Vanderbilt University sports economist.
That factors in the hefty fee a relocating team would owe the league. Vrooman estimates the teams would have to pay $375 million, which could reach upwards of $550 million depending on how the league calculates it.
Approval could hinge on the strength of potential venues. Rams owner Stan Kroenke last year proposed a new stadium and commercial facility that would cost an estimated $1.8 billion in Inglewood, which sits southwest of downtown L.A.
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The Chargers and Raiders later proposed an estimated $1.7 billion joint venue in nearby Carson, backed byWalt DisneyCEO Bob Iger. The media giant has a strong connection to the NFL through its sports network ESPN.
All three teams have claims to L.A, but one or even two of them could lose the sweepstakes. The process remains uncertain not only because of the business considerations but also internal politics among league owners, said David Carter, principal at The Sports Business Group.
Here are some potential scenarios outlined by experts:
Chargers and Rams both move to LA
The Rams could end up sharing the Inglewood stadium with the Chargers, said Andrew Zimbalist, a professor of economics at Smith College inNorthampton, Massachusetts,who studies sports. He contended that owners of both teams draw more respect politically from their peers than the Raiders' ownership does, which could prove crucial in the voting process.
He said the Inglewood facility proposed by the Rams could potentially offer a wider economic boost than the Carson venue. Zimbalist added that the Chargers, based on geographic location, and Rams, from their previous presence in L.A., would be able to generate fan bases there with relative ease.
But if history in the L.A. area matters, one may wonder why Zimbalist thinks the Rams would see a benefit, while the Raiders would not. His answer: The Raiders' ownership has butted heads with other owners in the past, which makes things politically difficult for the team. "I think that (the NFL owners) have no desire to let them move back again."
'Pharoah' and more: 2015's big sports stories
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The Raiders move to LA
Relocating two teams seems feasible based on the city's size.The Los Angeles metro areaboasts the second-largest number of television households in the U.S., with more than 5.5 million, Vrooman said.
However, he noted that "TV ratings and viewership for sporting events is typically lower in L.A. compared to other megamarkets, even if an L.A. team is involved in the game." When the Raiders and Rams both played in L.A., games were often blacked out on local T.V. because the teams failed to sell out tickets, Vrooman said.
Regardless of a city's size, the NFL prefers one-team "monopoly" markets to two-team "duopoly" markets, Vrooman said. The same number of NFL fans support one team instead of two, effectively driving ticket prices higher.
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I REPEAT!!!
NEVER believe Bleacher Report because they said Magic Johnson was Mark's secret investor, DJax was signing with the Raiders, Mike Vick was signing with the Raiders, John Gruden is going to leave ESPN to coach the Raiders again, etc.
They gossip more than the lady down the street.
Buzz: Raiders' Davis Pursuing San Antonio Move If LA Bid Fails
I REPEAT!!!
NEVER believe Bleacher Report because they said Magic Johnson was Mark's secret investor, DJax was signing with the Raiders, Mike Vick was signing with the Raiders, John Gruden is going to leave ESPN to coach the Raiders again, etc.
They gossip more than the lady down the street.
Buzz: Raiders' Davis Pursuing San Antonio Move If LA Bid Fails
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. Last month, team owner Dean Spanos preemptively rejected the deal in a letter to the NFL's LA move committee, writing "Nothing in Stan's letter gives me any reason to reconsider my partnership with (Raiders owner) Mark Davis and our chosen stadium site."
Proposal Emerges For Chargers and Rams to Share New NFL Stadium in Inglewood
L.A. relocation meeting primer: Chargers, Raiders, Rams in limbo
Proposal Emerges For Chargers and Rams to Share New NFL Stadium in Inglewood
L.A. relocation meeting primer: Chargers, Raiders, Rams in limbo
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"My wish is for the Rams to move back to Los Angeles. They were the city's original NFL team -- yeah, they moved from Cleveland -- and were here for decades until a former showgirl decided St. Louis was an attractive destination.
Listen, I don't want to malign St. Louis the way Stan Kroenke did, but I will say that the latter's description of that market isn't entirely wrong."
Yes, Los Angeles does deserve an NFL team
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Listen, I don't want to malign St. Louis the way Stan Kroenke did, but I will say that the latter's description of that market isn't entirely wrong."
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Latest On Los Angeles Relocation Talks
They are trying to get the raiders to back out so they can then approve rams/chargers only (not the sites), and get Iger and chargers involved with inglewood
My pure guess. A wealthy investor helps out Oakland and they build a new stadium in Northern California some place. That leaves Rams in LA. And Chargers either stay in SD or move in with Rams in Inglewood.
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Daniel DickinsonOr Rams in Inglewood and a couple years later they add an expansion team in Inglewood with Rams.
January 9 at 2:55am
Maybe it means nothing but....roggin is going to houston next week. All along he has said rams and chargers will make a deal to pair up. Fred knows more than he can say right now so I wonder if a deal is already done.
They are trying to get the raiders to back out so they can then approve rams/chargers only (not the sites), and get Iger and chargers involved with inglewood
My pure guess. A wealthy investor helps out Oakland and they build a new stadium in Northern California some place. That leaves Rams in LA. And Chargers either stay in SD or move in with Rams in Inglewood.
January 9 at 2:51am
Daniel DickinsonOr Rams in Inglewood and a couple years later they add an expansion team in Inglewood with Rams.
January 9 at 2:55am
Maybe it means nothing but....roggin is going to houston next week. All along he has said rams and chargers will make a deal to pair up. Fred knows more than he can say right now so I wonder if a deal is already done.
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comedy gold.hee hee.
Task force lambastes Kroenke for 'cruel attack' : News
Task force lambastes Kroenke for 'cruel attack' : News
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REPORT: Chargers and Rams to relocate to Inglewood
A GREAT comment from Missouri State Sen. Rob Schaaf about the StL stadium task force's response to Rams' relocation statement:
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Can anybody tells us how many people are there?
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Ernie UlloaProbably won't get an estimation until the end.
January 9 at 10:34am
Jimmy MillerThanks!
January 9 at 10:36am
Debra E. CallahanEstimated 2-3 thousand.
January 9 at 2:27pm
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Patently ridiculous and definitely illegal. The NFL keeps cooking its own goose. Amazing.
The St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders have been presented with certification papers that they must agree to and sign in order to be eligible to move to Los Angeles, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports via Jared Dubin of CBS Sports.
A GREAT comment from Missouri State Sen. Rob Schaaf about the StL stadium task force's response to Rams' relocation statement:
Can anybody tells us how many people are there?
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Jimmy MillerThanks!
January 9 at 10:36am
Debra E. CallahanEstimated 2-3 thousand.
January 9 at 2:27pm
Joanne Estrada | Facebook
Patently ridiculous and definitely illegal. The NFL keeps cooking its own goose. Amazing.
The St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders have been presented with certification papers that they must agree to and sign in order to be eligible to move to Los Angeles, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports via Jared Dubin of CBS Sports.
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comedy gold on raiders rally.hee hee.
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Hundreds rally outside LA Memorial Coliseum to bring Rams back
LA Rams fans rally, seek team's return
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comedy gold on raiders rally.hee hee.
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Chargers owner Dean Spanos, however, has made it clear to owners and league officials that he is steadfastly opposed to moving to Inglewood. Raiders owner Mark Davis also told NFL officials this week he isn’t interested in going to Inglewood.
New NFL requirement could impact Robert Iger's deal with Carson stadium group
Hey guys see the newest article in the t Louis post about goodell saying the st Louis stadium won't block the Rams to move!! Post it!
Goodell: St. Louis stadium proposal inadequate : News
New NFL requirement could impact Robert Iger's deal with Carson stadium group
Hey guys see the newest article in the t Louis post about goodell saying the st Louis stadium won't block the Rams to move!! Post it!
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What if:
. Now that the NFL won't block the Rams from moving, the Chargers and Rams get voted to relocate to LA, but not the Raiders.
. Now that Goldman Sachs has stated to the NFL that they're willing to finance the Carson stadium with one team only, Spanos is faced with some choices.
. Either partner with Kronke sharing the costs, or go to Carson alone taking on the whole financial burden along with the relocation fee on your shoulders.
. Spanos could convince Davis to threaten an antitrust suit unless he is given permission also.
. Kronke would still finish his stadium first, way ahead of Carson capturing all the first fruits that come with it.
. If Spanos is willing to sell his teams soul to Goldman Sachs, forsake his established market in San Diego for a perceived 25% fan base in LA, then go ahead I say.
. With three teams all fighting for new fans in LA, who stands to the most to lose, the one with a rich 49 year history in LA, or the new kid on the block?
. Somebody's bluff is about to be called.
What if.......
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It's the beginning of chargers breaking away of the Carson joint! It was just a matter of time. How about them LA Raiiidaaass!!! Your team is in Oakland. LA RAMS baby!
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Poor 9/11
He has been bumping this thread almost every day for a year and a half. Made over 2000 posts on it
Guess what?
NFL committee recommends proposal of Chargers and Raiders
Come on 9/11.....ready to admit you are rightwingers bitch?
He has been bumping this thread almost every day for a year and a half. Made over 2000 posts on it
Guess what?
NFL committee recommends proposal of Chargers and Raiders
Come on 9/11.....ready to admit you are rightwingers bitch?
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