Zone1 Everything You Think You Know about Hell is WRONG w/ Jimmy Akin

[Votar Roja]

Everything You Think You Know about Hell is WRONG w/ Jimmy Akin​

This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Jimmy Akin.
Watch the full interview here: LINK
In this clip, Jimmy talks about what Hell will really be like. Hint: it's probably not going to be lakes of fire.

 

[Votar Roja]

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal​

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal

Trent Horn reminds the faithful of the very personal reality of the devil, and the reality of hell as eternal punishment for the condemned.

www.catholic.com

The Catechism affirms the unending nature of hell:

The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God” (1035).

While some Catholic theologians have argued for annihilationism (also called “conditional immortality” or “terminal punishment”), it is a minority position in Church history. One Catholic anthology in defense of annihilationism is even dedicated to “those in the Protestant tradition who suffered loss of reputations and positions for reintroducing this teaching into the Christian world.” Indeed, Fudge was one of those ministers who was criticized and dismissed from a pastoral position for holding to the annihilationist view.

Another defender of annihilationism, John Stackhouse Jr., admits that when it comes to the nature of hell, “There is no doubt where the weight of the tradition lies, and it doesn’t lie here,” that is, in favor of annihilationism. It’s no wonder the traditional reading of scripture favors this view, given that Jesus said in Mark 9:48 that hell is a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” He also declared that after the Last Judgment the wicked, “will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:46).

But annihilationists say we are hastily assuming that Jesus is talking about the traditional concept of hell. They contend that the word “eternal” (Greek aionion) in Matthew 25:46 refers to “the age to come.” It can refer to unending duration of life, like in John 10:28, when Jesus says, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.” But it can also refer to actions that have eternal effects even though the actions no longer continue, as in Hebrews 9:11-12, in which Paul says we will have “eternal redemption” even though Christ redeeming death on the cross is complete. According to Basil Atkinson, “The lost will not be passing through a process of punishment forever but will be punished once and for all with eternal results.”

To say something’s destruction has “eternal results,” however, stretches the meaning of “eternal” and “results” beyond their breaking point. What people fear from punishment is not its results but the punishment itself. This interpretation also doesn’t make sense of the parallelism that Jesus is clearly employing to contrast the rewards for the sheep with the punishments for the goats. St. Augustine addressed this alternative interpretation in The City of God:

If both destinies are eternal, then we must either understand both as long-continued but at last terminating, or both as endless. For they are correlative — on the one hand, punishment eternal, on the other hand, life eternal. And to say in one and the same sense, life eternal shall be endless, punishment eternal shall come to an end, is the height of absurdity. Wherefore, as the eternal life of the saints shall be endless, so too the eternal punishment of those who are doomed to it shall have no end.

Moreover, if the ultimate fate of the wicked is their destruction, then why did Jesus say they will be cast into unquenchable fire or be
consumed by worms that never die? It would be sufficient to say the damned will be consumed and devoured if hell only involved annihilation. But if annihilationism is true, then this means hell will exist forever even though no one will be there, which seems to be a gratuitous addition to God’s plan for a new heaven and new earth.

In response to this argument, Stackhouse claims, “the agents of destruction, the worms and the fire, symbolize God’s hatred and judgment of evil to death.” But how can God’s hatred or judgment of evil exist when there is no evil to judge or sin to hate since the sinner was annihilated? God’s perpetual opposition to evil makes more sense under the view that evildoers will eternally oppose God in hell.

This also comports with Revelation’s account of those condemned to hell, in which “the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night” (14:11), and the lake of fire, where the devil, the beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).

Stackhouse tries to avoid the commonsense interpretation that the damned endure unending suffering by claiming the “rest” denied to the condemned in this passage refers to “positive connotations of Sabbath,” because Revelation draws heavily from the Old Testament: “Thus the condemned are doomed never to enjoy rest, they will never escape their doom – for they suffer and die outside God’s rest” (Heb. 4:9).

But in the Old and New Testament the Sabbath rest is almost always described as “my rest” (when God is speaking), “his rest,” or “Sabbath rest.” Revelation 14:11 simply says the damned “have no rest” and underscores that this condition is perpetual (day or night) and not something related to weekly Sabbath observance.

Finally, when it comes to Revelation 20:10, Stackhouse concedes that if the devil and his cohorts are actual persons, “perhaps they do” experience eternal torment. But even if this is granted, he alleges, “Revelation teaches only that they do, and we are focusing in these essays on the destiny of human beings.” But this neglects what Jesus said to the wicked human beings, whom he judges on the last day: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41, emphasis added).

If the devil will be cast into a condition where he experiences eternal torment, and Jesus says damned human beings will be cast into that same condition, then we can reasonably conclude that human beings who reject God’s offer of salvation will experience that same eternal torment. That’s why it’s so important to preach the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ, as St. Peter tells us that God, “is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Pet. 3:9).

 

[luiza]

Despite his excellent presentation values he inevitably is obliged to defend his understanding of Hell from scripture and in the context of the times they were written .
But there are thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of accounts from individuals who give testimony which is at complete odds with these cherry picked sources .
Moreover , these testimonies match and simply sound more sensible and believable .
The best source , imho , is Michael Newton's case studies using hypnotism for past lives regression .

 

[Votar Roja]

Despite his excellent presentation values he inevitably is obliged to defend his understanding of Hell from scripture and in the context of the times they were written . . . . .

Wrong. That is not how Catholics interpret Scripture. We do not read Scripture solely in the context of the times.

Since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written.

The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it.

1. Be especially attentive "to the content and unity of the whole Scripture". Different as the books which compose it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God's plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover.
2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church").
3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith. By "analogy of faith" we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.

The senses of Scripture

According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.
2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".
3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.

A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;​

The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.​

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church

 

[Votar Roja]

Question:​

Who tortures souls in hell?

Answer:​

Contrary to what many works of art depict, the tortures of hell experienced by the damned are not at the end of a demon’s red-hot poker. Nor is God stoking the fires of hell so he can enjoy the suffering and misery of the damned as they roast in eternal fires.
The tortures of hell are self-imposed. The Church teaches that the torments suffered by “the damned will suffer in both mind and body, because both mind and body had a share in their sins. The mind suffers the ‘pain of loss’ in which it is tortured by the thought of having lost God forever, and the body suffers the ‘pain of sense’ by which it is tortured by the thought of having lost God forever, and the body suffers the ‘pain of sense: by which it is tortured in all its members and senses’ (Baltimore Catechism, lesson 7. question 380).
Pope John Paul II’s 1999 General Audience address on hell:

1. God is the infinitely good and merciful Father. But man, called to respond to him freely, can unfortunately choose to reject his love and forgiveness once and for all, thus separating himself for ever from joyful communion with him. It is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of eternal damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life. The very dimension of unhappiness which this obscure condition brings can in a certain way be sensed in the light of some of the terrible experiences we have suffered which, as is commonly said, make life “hell.”

In a theological sense, hell is something else: the ultimate consequence of sin itself, which turns against the person who committed it. It is the state of those who definitively reject the Father’s mercy, even at the last moment of their life.
“Eternal damnation,” therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative, because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death, which seals his choice forever. God’s judgment ratifies this state.

 

[ninja007]

theyll be millions of catholics in hell. youll know for sure then.

 

[luiza]

Sola Scriptura yet again . Namely :-

We are right .
And you know what?
Heads we win
And Tails you lose .

Cult Christianity is beyond tired and dated . It is essentially Evil , imho .

 

[Red Front]

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal​

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal

Trent Horn reminds the faithful of the very personal reality of the devil, and the reality of hell as eternal punishment for the condemned.

www.catholic.com

The Catechism affirms the unending nature of hell:

While some Catholic theologians have argued for annihilationism (also called “conditional immortality” or “terminal punishment”), it is a minority position in Church history. One Catholic anthology in defense of annihilationism is even dedicated to “those in the Protestant tradition who suffered loss of reputations and positions for reintroducing this teaching into the Christian world.” Indeed, Fudge was one of those ministers who was criticized and dismissed from a pastoral position for holding to the annihilationist view.

Another defender of annihilationism, John Stackhouse Jr., admits that when it comes to the nature of hell, “There is no doubt where the weight of the tradition lies, and it doesn’t lie here,” that is, in favor of annihilationism. It’s no wonder the traditional reading of scripture favors this view, given that Jesus said in Mark 9:48 that hell is a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” He also declared that after the Last Judgment the wicked, “will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:46).

But annihilationists say we are hastily assuming that Jesus is talking about the traditional concept of hell. They contend that the word “eternal” (Greek aionion) in Matthew 25:46 refers to “the age to come.” It can refer to unending duration of life, like in John 10:28, when Jesus says, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.” But it can also refer to actions that have eternal effects even though the actions no longer continue, as in Hebrews 9:11-12, in which Paul says we will have “eternal redemption” even though Christ redeeming death on the cross is complete. According to Basil Atkinson, “The lost will not be passing through a process of punishment forever but will be punished once and for all with eternal results.”

To say something’s destruction has “eternal results,” however, stretches the meaning of “eternal” and “results” beyond their breaking point. What people fear from punishment is not its results but the punishment itself. This interpretation also doesn’t make sense of the parallelism that Jesus is clearly employing to contrast the rewards for the sheep with the punishments for the goats. St. Augustine addressed this alternative interpretation in The City of God:



Moreover, if the ultimate fate of the wicked is their destruction, then why did Jesus say they will be cast into unquenchable fire or be
consumed by worms that never die? It would be sufficient to say the damned will be consumed and devoured if hell only involved annihilation. But if annihilationism is true, then this means hell will exist forever even though no one will be there, which seems to be a gratuitous addition to God’s plan for a new heaven and new earth.

In response to this argument, Stackhouse claims, “the agents of destruction, the worms and the fire, symbolize God’s hatred and judgment of evil to death.” But how can God’s hatred or judgment of evil exist when there is no evil to judge or sin to hate since the sinner was annihilated? God’s perpetual opposition to evil makes more sense under the view that evildoers will eternally oppose God in hell.

This also comports with Revelation’s account of those condemned to hell, in which “the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night” (14:11), and the lake of fire, where the devil, the beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).

Stackhouse tries to avoid the commonsense interpretation that the damned endure unending suffering by claiming the “rest” denied to the condemned in this passage refers to “positive connotations of Sabbath,” because Revelation draws heavily from the Old Testament: “Thus the condemned are doomed never to enjoy rest, they will never escape their doom – for they suffer and die outside God’s rest” (Heb. 4:9).

But in the Old and New Testament the Sabbath rest is almost always described as “my rest” (when God is speaking), “his rest,” or “Sabbath rest.” Revelation 14:11 simply says the damned “have no rest” and underscores that this condition is perpetual (day or night) and not something related to weekly Sabbath observance.

Finally, when it comes to Revelation 20:10, Stackhouse concedes that if the devil and his cohorts are actual persons, “perhaps they do” experience eternal torment. But even if this is granted, he alleges, “Revelation teaches only that they do, and we are focusing in these essays on the destiny of human beings.” But this neglects what Jesus said to the wicked human beings, whom he judges on the last day: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41, emphasis added).

If the devil will be cast into a condition where he experiences eternal torment, and Jesus says damned human beings will be cast into that same condition, then we can reasonably conclude that human beings who reject God’s offer of salvation will experience that same eternal torment. That’s why it’s so important to preach the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ, as St. Peter tells us that God, “is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Pet. 3:9).

Why would God keep people conscious and essentially alive, in a state of torment forever? Can't he figure out a way of reforming souls, through a process, rather than demanding his human creation meet his standard for salvation in one lifetime? Isn't God omnipotent and omniscient? Can't he design a path to redemption that leads everyone to salvation or at least most of his human creation into His kingdom?

 

[Red Front]

Question:​

Who tortures souls in hell?

Answer:​

Contrary to what many works of art depict, the tortures of hell experienced by the damned are not at the end of a demon’s red-hot poker. Nor is God stoking the fires of hell so he can enjoy the suffering and misery of the damned as they roast in eternal fires.
The tortures of hell are self-imposed. The Church teaches that the torments suffered by “the damned will suffer in both mind and body, because both mind and body had a share in their sins. The mind suffers the ‘pain of loss’ in which it is tortured by the thought of having lost God forever, and the body suffers the ‘pain of sense’ by which it is tortured by the thought of having lost God forever, and the body suffers the ‘pain of sense: by which it is tortured in all its members and senses’ (Baltimore Catechism, lesson 7. question 380).
Pope John Paul II’s 1999 General Audience address on hell:

In a theological sense, hell is something else: the ultimate consequence of sin itself, which turns against the person who committed it. It is the state of those who definitively reject the Father’s mercy, even at the last moment of their life.
“Eternal damnation,” therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative, because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death, which seals his choice forever. God’s judgment ratifies this state.

Why does that suffering have to be eternal?

 

[kjw47]

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal​

Yes, Hell Is Real and It Is Eternal

Trent Horn reminds the faithful of the very personal reality of the devil, and the reality of hell as eternal punishment for the condemned.

www.catholic.com

The Catechism affirms the unending nature of hell:

While some Catholic theologians have argued for annihilationism (also called “conditional immortality” or “terminal punishment”), it is a minority position in Church history. One Catholic anthology in defense of annihilationism is even dedicated to “those in the Protestant tradition who suffered loss of reputations and positions for reintroducing this teaching into the Christian world.” Indeed, Fudge was one of those ministers who was criticized and dismissed from a pastoral position for holding to the annihilationist view.

Another defender of annihilationism, John Stackhouse Jr., admits that when it comes to the nature of hell, “There is no doubt where the weight of the tradition lies, and it doesn’t lie here,” that is, in favor of annihilationism. It’s no wonder the traditional reading of scripture favors this view, given that Jesus said in Mark 9:48 that hell is a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” He also declared that after the Last Judgment the wicked, “will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:46).

But annihilationists say we are hastily assuming that Jesus is talking about the traditional concept of hell. They contend that the word “eternal” (Greek aionion) in Matthew 25:46 refers to “the age to come.” It can refer to unending duration of life, like in John 10:28, when Jesus says, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.” But it can also refer to actions that have eternal effects even though the actions no longer continue, as in Hebrews 9:11-12, in which Paul says we will have “eternal redemption” even though Christ redeeming death on the cross is complete. According to Basil Atkinson, “The lost will not be passing through a process of punishment forever but will be punished once and for all with eternal results.”

To say something’s destruction has “eternal results,” however, stretches the meaning of “eternal” and “results” beyond their breaking point. What people fear from punishment is not its results but the punishment itself. This interpretation also doesn’t make sense of the parallelism that Jesus is clearly employing to contrast the rewards for the sheep with the punishments for the goats. St. Augustine addressed this alternative interpretation in The City of God:



Moreover, if the ultimate fate of the wicked is their destruction, then why did Jesus say they will be cast into unquenchable fire or be
consumed by worms that never die? It would be sufficient to say the damned will be consumed and devoured if hell only involved annihilation. But if annihilationism is true, then this means hell will exist forever even though no one will be there, which seems to be a gratuitous addition to God’s plan for a new heaven and new earth.

In response to this argument, Stackhouse claims, “the agents of destruction, the worms and the fire, symbolize God’s hatred and judgment of evil to death.” But how can God’s hatred or judgment of evil exist when there is no evil to judge or sin to hate since the sinner was annihilated? God’s perpetual opposition to evil makes more sense under the view that evildoers will eternally oppose God in hell.

This also comports with Revelation’s account of those condemned to hell, in which “the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night” (14:11), and the lake of fire, where the devil, the beast, and the false prophet “will be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).

Stackhouse tries to avoid the commonsense interpretation that the damned endure unending suffering by claiming the “rest” denied to the condemned in this passage refers to “positive connotations of Sabbath,” because Revelation draws heavily from the Old Testament: “Thus the condemned are doomed never to enjoy rest, they will never escape their doom – for they suffer and die outside God’s rest” (Heb. 4:9).

But in the Old and New Testament the Sabbath rest is almost always described as “my rest” (when God is speaking), “his rest,” or “Sabbath rest.” Revelation 14:11 simply says the damned “have no rest” and underscores that this condition is perpetual (day or night) and not something related to weekly Sabbath observance.

Finally, when it comes to Revelation 20:10, Stackhouse concedes that if the devil and his cohorts are actual persons, “perhaps they do” experience eternal torment. But even if this is granted, he alleges, “Revelation teaches only that they do, and we are focusing in these essays on the destiny of human beings.” But this neglects what Jesus said to the wicked human beings, whom he judges on the last day: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41, emphasis added).

If the devil will be cast into a condition where he experiences eternal torment, and Jesus says damned human beings will be cast into that same condition, then we can reasonably conclude that human beings who reject God’s offer of salvation will experience that same eternal torment. That’s why it’s so important to preach the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ, as St. Peter tells us that God, “is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Pet. 3:9).

Gods justice scales prove 100% eternal suffering is symbolism. Catholicism is in error on many things.

 

[kjw47]

Why would God keep people conscious and essentially alive, in a state of torment forever? Can't he figure out a way of reforming souls, through a process, rather than demanding his human creation meet his standard for salvation in one lifetime? Isn't God omnipotent and omniscient? Can't he design a path to redemption that leads everyone to salvation or at least most of his human creation into His kingdom?

Eternal suffering is symbolic, literal eternal suffering is taught by religions that are in darkness and do not know God. The true God set before all-Deuteronomy 30:19= LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting. There is no life in death.

 

[ninja007]

Eternal suffering is symbolic, literal eternal suffering is taught by religions that are in darkness and do not know God. The true God set before all-Deuteronomy 30:19= LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting. There is no life in death.

so God's a liar? He most certainly talked about eternal torment.

 

[ninja007]

Ten Foundational Verses for Eternal Punishment in Hell​

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In his contribution to the book in Two Views of Hell, Robert Peterson sets forth ten passages that as part of the “overwhelming evidence” to support the historical interpretation of hell as everlasting punishment. I agree with Peterson’s citation of Augustine, “who cautions us against following the example of those who, ‘while not slighting the authority of the sacred Scriptures, . . . nevertheless interpret them wrongly and suppose that what is to happen will not be what the Scriptures speak of, but what they themselves would like to happen” (City of God 21.27). I find myself facing the same temptation, so it is helpful to keep God’s Word front and center when constructing our theology.
1. Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (OT)
Isaiah 66:22-24
For as the new heavens and the new earth
that I make
shall remain before me, says the LORD,
so shall your offspring and your name remain.
From new moon to new moon,
and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me,
declares the LORD.
And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.
2. Everlasting Life/Everlasting Contempt
Daniel 12:1-2
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3. Eternal Fire/The Fire of Hell
Matthew 18:6-9
Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
4. Eternal Punishment/Eternal Life
Matthew 25:31-46
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
5. Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (NT)
Mark 9:42-48
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
6. Everlasting Destruction
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
7. The Punishment of Eternal Fire
Jude 7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
8. Blackest Darkness Reserved Forever
Jude 13
[These people are] wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
9. The Smoke of Their Torment Rises for Ever and Ever
Revelation 14:9-11
If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.
10. The Lake of Fire
Revelation 20:10, 14-15
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Ten Foundational Verses for Eternal Punishment in Hell

In his contribution to the book in Two Views of Hell, Robert Peterson sets forth ten passages that as part of the “overwhelming evidence” to support the historical interpretation of hell as everlasting punishment. I agree with Peterson’s citation of Augustine, “who cautions us against following...

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[Red Front]

Eternal suffering is symbolic, literal eternal suffering is taught by religions that are in darkness and do not know God. The true God set before all-Deuteronomy 30:19= LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting. There is no life in death.

So everyone who is saved from annihilation has to come across a bible and convert to Judaism or some other religion? When it comes to these issues I'm a perennialist. Perennialism is defined as:

Perennialism can be defined within a certain context as a form of religious pluralism. Specifically, it is the view that there is a shared core of truth in all major religions (sometimes called a perennial philosophy) and that this core is grounded in and justified by shared religious experiences, usually of the mystical variety.

I believe all major religions, share a core of beliefs and experiences that determine the final state and destiny of souls, to the extent that people adopt and live out those essentials (patterns of thought and behavior). The path of decency, empathy, human charity and solidarity, mercy, justice, courage, self-sacrifice..etc. There are certain patterns of thought and behavior that are conducive to life and there are patterns of thought and behavior that undermine it. What is good vs what is evil, is self-evident to everyone who is sane and has a modicum of intelligence. The divine cosmic law is written on our hearts.

 

[Moonglow]

Everything You Think You Know about Hell is WRONG w/ Jimmy Akin​

This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Jimmy Akin.
Watch the full interview here: LINK
In this clip, Jimmy talks about what Hell will really be like. Hint: it's probably not going to be lakes of fire.

Why did God create this Hell?

 

[kjw47]

so God's a liar? He most certainly talked about eternal torment.

yes symbolically--as to this reality--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends. Likened to be an eternal suffering. those traded 70-100 years of an unrepented life and will miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom.
Deut 32:4-ALL of Gods ways are justice, he taught us perfect justice= an eye for an eye. His justice scales are uncorruptable-- so applied to eternal suffering teaching one gets--70-100 years of an unrepented life.-punishment =trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment--see any balance? No. its an eye for a gazillion eyes if it were literal. That is not the true God who is LOVE, not a sadist. Only a sadist could create a place of eternal suffering.
As well this teaching proves it symbolic-a place where the worm dieth not( Mark 9:48)--no worm in existence could survive an hour let alone eternally in a hot firey place.

 

[kjw47]

So everyone who is saved from annihilation has to come across a bible and convert to Judaism or some other religion? When it comes to these issues I'm a perennialist. Perennialism is defined as:

Perennialism can be defined within a certain context as a form of religious pluralism. Specifically, it is the view that there is a shared core of truth in all major religions (sometimes called a perennial philosophy) and that this core is grounded in and justified by shared religious experiences, usually of the mystical variety.

I believe all major religions, share a core of beliefs and experiences that determine the final state and destiny of souls, to the extent that people adopt and live out those essentials (patterns of thought and behavior). The path of decency, empathy, human charity and solidarity, mercy, justice, courage, self-sacrifice..etc. There are certain patterns of thought and behavior that are conducive to life and there are patterns of thought and behavior that undermine it. What is good vs what is evil, is self-evident to everyone who is sane and has a modicum of intelligence. The divine cosmic law is written on our hearts.

Yes all religions have some truth, one religion has Jesus and ALL of Gods 1 truth. a single christian religion, not hundreds of christian religions( 1 Cor 1:10)

 

[ninja007]

yes symbolically--as to this reality--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends. Likened to be an eternal suffering. those traded 70-100 years of an unrepented life and will miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom.
Deut 32:4-ALL of Gods ways are justice, he taught us perfect justice= an eye for an eye. His justice scales are uncorruptable-- so applied to eternal suffering teaching one gets--70-100 years of an unrepented life.-punishment =trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment--see any balance? No. its an eye for a gazillion eyes if it were literal. That is not the true God who is LOVE, not a sadist. Only a sadist could create a place of eternal suffering.
As well this teaching proves it symbolic-a place where the worm dieth not( Mark 9:48)--no worm in existence could survive an hour let alone eternally in a hot firey place.

its not symbolic- you have nothing to back that up.

 

[ninja007]

yes symbolically--as to this reality--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends. Likened to be an eternal suffering. those traded 70-100 years of an unrepented life and will miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom.
Deut 32:4-ALL of Gods ways are justice, he taught us perfect justice= an eye for an eye. His justice scales are uncorruptable-- so applied to eternal suffering teaching one gets--70-100 years of an unrepented life.-punishment =trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment--see any balance? No. its an eye for a gazillion eyes if it were literal. That is not the true God who is LOVE, not a sadist. Only a sadist could create a place of eternal suffering.
As well this teaching proves it symbolic-a place where the worm dieth not( Mark 9:48)--no worm in existence could survive an hour let alone eternally in a hot firey place.

youre not God- His ways are higher then are ways. I trust His judgment.

 

[ninja007]

yes symbolically--as to this reality--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends. Likened to be an eternal suffering. those traded 70-100 years of an unrepented life and will miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom.
Deut 32:4-ALL of Gods ways are justice, he taught us perfect justice= an eye for an eye. His justice scales are uncorruptable-- so applied to eternal suffering teaching one gets--70-100 years of an unrepented life.-punishment =trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment--see any balance? No. its an eye for a gazillion eyes if it were literal. That is not the true God who is LOVE, not a sadist. Only a sadist could create a place of eternal suffering.
As well this teaching proves it symbolic-a place where the worm dieth not( Mark 9:48)--no worm in existence could survive an hour let alone eternally in a hot firey place.

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed