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Good thing we didn't say anything about empathy, because you have none. Man you are one sick puppy.
Because I do not support genocide? Or because I know history? Which one makes me a sick puppy?
Your insistence on confounding a simple point with your own conclusions and definitions of what was really meant. His defintion was straight forward and simple, you're the one bringing in the nazi's and your defintion of the way it has to be done. That's what makes you sick.
Because I do not support genocide? Or because I know history? Which one makes me a sick puppy?
Your insistence on confounding a simple point with your own conclusions and definitions of what was really meant. His defintion was straight forward and simple, you're the one bringing in the nazi's and your defintion of the way it has to be done. That's what makes you sick.
The phrase "quality of life" has been used to justify killing off anyone who is old, handicapped, mentally deficient, and even for the Holocaust, yet you are trying to tell me I am jumping to conclusions in insisting that it is ambiguous? Sorry, I am not going to drink the Kool-Aid.
Before anyone gets too carried away with this equating to KILLING undesirables, let us not forget that folks can be STERILIZED, eh?
I honestly believe that the stem cell research is working toward exactly this same outcome,
but instead of segregating out the abnormalities,
it seeks to IMPROVE the entity, and bring it back into alignment with what would be considered "perfect" for it ~
in other words, it won't make the ugly, beautiful, it will just make it the BEST it CAN be.
My bro & sis-in-law. He has a condition that is ALWAYS passed on to the progeny, which begins with legal blindness and ends with complete blindness. They had 3 children, and all three carry this gene AND are affected by it.
To my way of thinking, the parents were remiss and could almost be accused of child abuse for their part in the creation of these "malformed" kids, and to allow those children to then go on to procreate, themselves, is an absolute crime against THEIR children.
UNTIL a solution can be found, to repair the damaged allele(s),
yes, I think it should be mandatory for anyone carrying that/those allele(s) to undergo sterilization.
nay! It might help wipe out diseases, but I don't think messing with nature or genetics is a good idea.
Really? So given the choice between your child having Sickle Cell Anemia (or flipping a coin to find out) and your child enjoying heterogeneity and some resistance to malaria, it'd be 'wrong' to give your child malarial resistance and ensure (s)he doesn't suffer Sickle Cell Anemia?Also, picking and choosing what traits your child will have, just seems wrong to me.
nay! It might help wipe out diseases, but I don't think messing with nature or genetics is a good idea.
Why? You don't like what we've done with the banana?
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What about what we've done with Corn?
You don't think the Rottweiler, the Pudelhund, the Husky, and other working breeds have made our lives easier? Those are mere plants and beasts, bred for our use with little (if any) thought for their own benefit, yet they were smashing successes. There are problems, and some breeds, especially toy breeds, have more problems stemming from the fact that those who bred them weren't concerned with their own good as we would be concerned with our own when turning our efforts towards improving our own form.
Image what we might achieve if we turn our efforts and science to improving our own selves for our own benefit.
Really? So given the choice between your child having Sickle Cell Anemia (or flipping a coin to find out) and your child enjoying heterogeneity and some resistance to malaria, it'd be 'wrong' to give your child malarial resistance and ensure (s)he doesn't suffer Sickle Cell Anemia?Also, picking and choosing what traits your child will have, just seems wrong to me.
Have you no compression or love for your child?
Care to clarify and present your actual objections rather than simply throwing around some Beckish bullshit? Let me guess, empathy leads us to bad places because Hitler killed the Jews out of empathy
Did I say anything about empathy?
You started walking down the road to Becksm; I just cut you off at the pass.
And?
Right... you don't seem to really know much about what he did or why.
Fail. Even if you remove 'defective stock', you've done nothing. The only way to increase the prevalence of favorable traits is by, you know- spreading them around. See: selective breeding.Eugenics has always been about improving genes through various programs, and the best way to to that has always been eliminating defective stock from the gene pool
Now, show me where the definition,
The use of genetic technologies that we possess or shall come to possess to enable parents to determine what genetic traits are passed on to their children, with the stated aims and goals of eliminating genetic disease, improving the human form (eg:restoring the human ability to synthesize our own vitamin C, should it prove possible to repair the damaged pseudogene), prolonging life, and improving the quality of human life.
and killing someone is the only 100% effective way to remove them from the gene pool. But keep thinking eugenics is a new idea, or that it is something pretty. It isn't, it is just another form of racism, only dressed in pretty clothes and a psuedo-scientific justification.
Right... because wanting to ensure that if I or my partner possess an allele that, if inherited, could cause our child to suffer from a horrible disease, that that chld does not iunherit that particular allele, is 'racist'.But keep thinking eugenics is a new idea, or that it is something pretty. It isn't, it is just another form of racism
Wanting to ensue that, if my partner and I are both benefit from heterozygouse advantage, that our child does as well, instead of that child suffering from Tay Sachs or hemophilia is 'racist'.
Not really.Okay, well how about THIS, then:
Where a Good "Quality of Life" = no genetically passed abmormalities that appear more than 50% of the time in the progeny of the carriers
Does that suit?
I suppose so, since it IS rather "negative" to remove the abnormalities from the stock to start with.
But here's a prime example of why I would be in favor of it:
My bro & sis-in-law. He has a condition that is ALWAYS passed on to the progeny, which begins with legal blindness and ends with complete blindness. They had 3 children, and all three carry this gene AND are affected by it.
To my way of thinking, the parents were remiss and could almost be accused of child abuse for their part in the creation of these "malformed" kids, and to allow those children to then go on to procreate, themselves, is an absolute crime against THEIR children.
I would hope that most sterilization would be Voluntary, since the premise is logical, but folks are always going to scream about "their" rights, especially when "their" rights negatively affect others "rights."
UNTIL a solution can be found, to repair the damaged allele(s),
yes, I think it should be mandatory for anyone carrying that/those allele(s) to undergo sterilization.
In one way, it sounds so facist, but looked at from the other side of the coin, it appears to be empathetic/sympathetic to the OTHERs that are involved in protecting THEIR "rights."
Okay, well how about THIS, then:
Where a Good "Quality of Life" = no genetically passed abmormalities that appear more than 50% of the time in the progeny of the carriers
Does that suit?
Who gets to decide what is beautiful? Are you going to eliminate certain characteristics that are part of a racial identity simply because you find them unattractive?
I repeat for emphasis, eugenics is simply racism wrapped in pseudo-scientific language to make it prettier, but it still smells the same.
Putting a '+' in front of eugenics does not change the facts, it is wrong
nay! It might help wipe out diseases, but I don't think messing with nature or genetics is a good idea.
Why? You don't like what we've done with the banana?
>
What about what we've done with Corn?
You don't think the Rottweiler, the Pudelhund, the Husky, and other working breeds have made our lives easier? Those are mere plants and beasts, bred for our use with little (if any) thought for their own benefit, yet they were smashing successes. There are problems, and some breeds, especially toy breeds, have more problems stemming from the fact that those who bred them weren't concerned with their own good as we would be concerned with our own when turning our efforts towards improving our own form.
Image what we might achieve if we turn our efforts and science to improving our own selves for our own benefit.
Really? So given the choice between your child having Sickle Cell Anemia (or flipping a coin to find out) and your child enjoying heterogeneity and some resistance to malaria, it'd be 'wrong' to give your child malarial resistance and ensure (s)he doesn't suffer Sickle Cell Anemia?Also, picking and choosing what traits your child will have, just seems wrong to me.
Have you no compression or love for your child?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE"]YouTube - Fonzie jumps the shark[/ame]The phrase "quality of life" has been used to justify killing off anyone who is old, handicapped, mentally deficient, and even for the Holocaust
