Discussion in 'Europe' started by onedomino, Feb 19, 2005.
Zappo, the ultimate socialist euro-weenie says:
Wanna bet there is some fine print put in by the French?
I think that Blair is making a big mistake supporting the UK ratification of the EU Constitution. Over 1000 years of British sovereignty will be abdicated to the continental socialists and the Brussels Politburo. Zappo is the worst thing that could have politically occurred to Spain. Direct foreign investment in Spain has declined 80 percent since Zappo and the 311 terrorists stole the election. See the 02.15 story at this site: http://iberiannotes.blogspot.com/
I agree. I think the problems that lie ahead with the EU will dwarf the US problems with the UN. Interesting posting at that link:
Can I speak here ? thanks, i'm the only one here who will vote for the EU constitution, so...
i don't believe.
The EU : there is of course tranfert of sovereignity, like for the money, but the nations are still sovereign. The European nations will continue to have their seals in the UN Assembly and of course for France and UK at the UN SC.
The EU is not yet a federal State....not at all.
you can't compare USA and Gemrnay with the EU.
And the EU 's constitution : first, it is not a Constitution : it is an international treaty, exactly like the Kyoto protocole, for example. It is a treaty bearing Constitution for the EU.
The main goals of this "Constitution" :
-simplification of the EU laws : now, only one treaty, tis one, instead of 2, Rome 1957 and Maastricht 1992.
- simplification of the juridical denominations...
- Simplification of the ensemble : now, no more European community and EU, now just EU.
- And :
- the Parliament become co-legislator, it competences are stronger.
- All the european institutions are reinforced
- creation of an European ministery of the foreign office. (like your secretary of State, but on the european level)
- the Charte of the Fondamental Rights
- permanent Presidence for the European Council
- More competences for the national parliaments.
don't forget the ever important goal of placating France's massive unearned egotism.
Here's a good link that explains it all.
I've perused quite a lot of the EU Constitution. It's too long and too detailed, very easy to run into things that 'just won't work.' It reminds me of a lot of the state constitutions, that have lifespans of under 20 years, before needing to be redone.
When will UK vote for this Treaty ?
Kathianne, what your problem with France ? Maybe France make sometimes egotism, it is not the only coutrny.
Do USA not make it ? yes, so, what the problem ? France is the foundator of Eu, with 5 other countrise, and France and Germany are the 2 main foundator.And France and Germany are the mightiest countries of the EU, so they can speak of themselves.
US isn't all that egotistical. France and Germany do see themselves just the way you say! I guess if I were the other nations, I would pay attention to that.
As far as France and a problem for me? I don't think it is. Now if they were armed to be dangerous to US, that might be different. On the other hand, if they were, they might still have cordial relations with us. :teeth:
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