EU Constitution to end UK embassies - Zapatero

[onedomino]

Zappo, the ultimate socialist euro-weenie says:

EU Constitution to end UK embassies - Zapatero
18 February 2005

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=17101&name=EU+Constitution+to+end+UK+embassies+%2D+Zapatero

MADRID-All of Britain’s 153 embassies across the globe will be shut if the European constitution is adopted, Spain’s Prime minister warned.

They would be replaced by European missions answerable to Brussels, British newspapers reported.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero told a Spanish radio station: “We will undoubtedly see European embassies in the world, not ones from each country, with European diplomats and a European foreign service.”

Britain and France would also lose their voices in NATO and their seats on the UN Security Council, said Zapatero.

He added: “We will see Europe with a single voice in security matters. We will

have a single European voice within NATO. We want more European unity.”

Zapatero's views appeared to contradict claims made by British premier Tony Blair that Britain would keep its power to act alone.

And it fuelled fears that Britain would have to follow EU policy even if the British government disagrees with Germany and France — as it did over Iraq.

Spaniards are expected to back the new EU constitution in a referendum on Sunday as their country has received billions of euros in subsidies from Brussels.

The new European Constitution states: “Member States shall actively and unreservedly support the Union’s common foreign and security policy.”

But the British Foreign Office played down Zapatero’s claims.

A spokesman said: “Britain will keep its embassies, its seat in NATO and its foreign policy. That cannot change without our agreement.”

 

[Annie]

A spokesman said: “Britain will keep its embassies, its seat in NATO and its foreign policy. That cannot change without our agreement.”

Wanna bet there is some fine print put in by the French?

 

[onedomino]

Wanna bet there is some fine print put in by the French?

I think that Blair is making a big mistake supporting the UK ratification of the EU Constitution. Over 1000 years of British sovereignty will be abdicated to the continental socialists and the Brussels Politburo. Zappo is the worst thing that could have politically occurred to Spain. Direct foreign investment in Spain has declined 80 percent since Zappo and the 311 terrorists stole the election. See the 02.15 story at this site: http://iberiannotes.blogspot.com/

 

[Annie]

I agree. I think the problems that lie ahead with the EU will dwarf the US problems with the UN. Interesting posting at that link:

http://iberiannotes.blogspot.com/2005/02/ana-palacio-zaps-zap-in-wall-street.html

Tuesday, February 15, 2005
Posted 00:29 by John
Ana Palacio zaps Zap in the Wall Street Journal. (Hat tip: Franco Alemán.)

MADRID -- In some Spanish political circles, people wonder why Condoleezza Rice didn't come to Madrid on her grand European tour last week. But the omission shouldn't surprise anyone. In the 10 months since José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero took office as prime minister, Spain has abandoned a high-profile foreign policy and today relishes in an ill-defined role as a second-rate player on the world stage.

It did not have to turn out this way. When Mr. Zapatero took over last March, Spain was the world's eighth largest economy, the sixth biggest investor worldwide (second in Latin America) and the fifth most popular destination for investment. It was one of the most open economies in the world, boasting a balanced budget and a growth rate double the EU average. It was at the height of its political influence in Europe and the world in recent memory.

In no time, this inspiring picture turned dark. In his first action of note in European affairs -- the final negotiations on the new European Constitution -- Mr. Zapatero negotiated away Spain's position of influence in the EU by diluting its voting powers in the new constitution. In economic policy, he seems driven by an obsession to intervene, from limiting stores' opening hours to backing an attempt to raise the minimum wage. Of course, the economic costs of mismanagement aren't felt by consumers immediately. But the Bank of Spain has revealed that only eight months into Mr. Zapatero's term, direct foreign investment had fallen by 80%.

On the international stage, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos had the temerity to accuse the previous government, in which I served for two years in his job, of having supported the attempted 2002 coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. This accusation was only echoed in the official mouthpiece of Cuba -- which is no doubt grateful for the Zapatero government's efforts to lift EU sanctions against the Castro regime and to keep dissidents out of EU missions on the island. And of course, in one of its first decisions, the new socialist administration last spring rushed a reckless withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq, and later irresponsibly called for other members of the coalition to follow its lead.

 

[padisha emperor]

hmmmmmmmm.....

Can I speak here ? thanks, i'm the only one here who will vote for the EU constitution, so...

Britain and France would also lose their voices in NATO and their seats on the UN Security Council, said Zapatero

i don't believe.
really not.

The EU : there is of course tranfert of sovereignity, like for the money, but the nations are still sovereign. The European nations will continue to have their seals in the UN Assembly and of course for France and UK at the UN SC.

The EU is not yet a federal State....not at all.
you can't compare USA and Gemrnay with the EU.

And the EU 's constitution : first, it is not a Constitution : it is an international treaty, exactly like the Kyoto protocole, for example. It is a treaty bearing Constitution for the EU.

The main goals of this "Constitution" :

-simplification of the EU laws : now, only one treaty, tis one, instead of 2, Rome 1957 and Maastricht 1992.
- simplification of the juridical denominations...
- Simplification of the ensemble : now, no more European community and EU, now just EU.
- And :
- the Parliament become co-legislator, it competences are stronger.
- All the european institutions are reinforced
- creation of an European ministery of the foreign office. (like your secretary of State, but on the european level)
- the Charte of the Fondamental Rights
- permanent Presidence for the European Council
- More competences for the national parliaments.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

hmmmmmmmm.....

Can I speak here ? thanks, i'm the only one here who will vote for the EU constitution, so...



i don't believe.
really not.

The EU : there is of course tranfert of sovereignity, like for the money, but the nations are still sovereign. The European nations will continue to have their seals in the UN Assembly and of course for France and UK at the UN SC.

The EU is not yet a federal State....not at all.
you can't compare USA and Gemrnay with the EU.

And the EU 's constitution : first, it is not a Constitution : it is an international treaty, exactly like the Kyoto protocole, for example. It is a treaty bearing Constitution for the EU.

The main goals of this "Constitution" :

-simplification of the EU laws : now, only one treaty, tis one, instead of 2, Rome 1957 and Maastricht 1992.
- simplification of the juridical denominations...
- Simplification of the ensemble : now, no more European community and EU, now just EU.
- And :
- the Parliament become co-legislator, it competences are stronger.
- All the european institutions are reinforced
- creation of an European ministery of the foreign office. (like your secretary of State, but on the european level)
- the Charte of the Fondamental Rights
- permanent Presidence for the European Council
- More competences for the national parliaments.

don't forget the ever important goal of placating France's massive unearned egotism.

 

[taff]

Here's a good link that explains it all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2950276.stm

 

[Annie]

Here's a good link that explains it all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2950276.stm

I've perused quite a lot of the EU Constitution. It's too long and too detailed, very easy to run into things that 'just won't work.' It reminds me of a lot of the state constitutions, that have lifespans of under 20 years, before needing to be redone.

 

[padisha emperor]

perfect link

When will UK vote for this Treaty ?

don't forget the ever important goal of placating France's massive unearned egotism

Kathianne, what your problem with France ? Maybe France make sometimes egotism, it is not the only coutrny.


Do USA not make it ? yes, so, what the problem ? France is the foundator of Eu, with 5 other countrise, and France and Germany are the 2 main foundator.And France and Germany are the mightiest countries of the EU, so they can speak of themselves.

 

[Annie]

When will UK vote for this Treaty ?

Kathianne, what your problem with France ? Maybe France make sometimes egotism, it is not the only coutrny.

Do USA not make it ? yes, so, what the problem ? France is the foundator of Eu, with 5 other countrise, and France and Germany are the 2 main foundator.And France and Germany are the mightiest countries of the EU, so they can speak of themselves.

US isn't all that egotistical. France and Germany do see themselves just the way you say! I guess if I were the other nations, I would pay attention to that.

As far as France and a problem for me? I don't think it is. Now if they were armed to be dangerous to US, that might be different. On the other hand, if they were, they might still have cordial relations with us. :teeth:

 

[Said1]

Maybe France make sometimes egotism, it is not the only coutrny.

Am I seeing things?

No wait, you're high!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

perfect link

France and Germany are the mightiest countries of the EU, so they can speak of themselves.

That's like being the smartest kid in special ed.

 

[freeandfun1]

France is the foundator of Eu, with 5 other countrise, and France and Germany are the 2 main foundator.And France and Germany are the mightiest countries of the EU, so they can speak of themselves.

France and Germany cannot obtain any power in the world other than through the EU. They founded it purely for selfish reasons.

 

[padisha emperor]

They founded the European economical community (CEE) after the WWII, the first aim was the reconstruction, but Robert Schumann, the french minister of the foreign office at this time, wanted to have a federal State, a political cooperation, human rights.....


It was to make stronger the european alliances, to avoird new wars between the greaét countries, and to rebuild Europe.
France and German,y gust all the countries of Europe to join this community, only Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and Italy accept.

Uk was affraid, and wnated to make a parallel organistation, with portugal, Sweden, Danemark, but it failed...


And after the European Community involve itself, and become what it is today, the European Union.


So, you can consider that they founded it for selfish reason,. but this organizatio was also for all the other countries.

Life is better in the EU. Why do you think that so much counties want to be EU's member ?

And i find it totally normal, that two States create an international org. to be stronger, with friendly countries, becausee they will all have benefits.

Normal for a State to be the stronger as possible.
Yes, France and Germnay are strong with EU. Alone, they're the 4th and 3rd mights of the world.......(economy), France has the first army of Europe, and in quality one of the best of the world.....

And with the EU, it is stronger, stronger stronger.

 

[freeandfun1]

They want to become EU states so they can get on the "dole". The EU is nothing but one big redistribution of wealth system. Before long, your leaders will have you where they want you - as slaves of the state. And you guys are following them directly to the slaughter house.

The EU is slowly making all of its citizens slaves of the state and they are doing this while your politicians gain more and more wealth and power from the state. You Euroweenies give us shit for our system while you yourself can't see the shithole your system is becoming and it isn't even officially formed yet! Life in the EU welfare state truly will become Orwellian as you will have no say anything since your ability to live will be coming from that big suckling sow called the EU. You better stay close to a teat if you want to survive!

 

[taff]

Yes, France and Germnay are strong with EU. Alone, they're the 4th and 3rd mights of the world.......(economy), France has the first army of Europe, and in quality one of the best of the world.....

And with the EU, it is stronger, stronger stronger.
Do you believe this crap padisha?

You are soooo funny. Conscript armies with long hair and earings are not classed as mighty.If i was in a combat situation and i found out the French and/or German armies was guarding my flank i would be afraid.Very afraid.

 

[Annie]

Yes, France and Germnay are strong with EU. Alone, they're the 4th and 3rd mights of the world.......(economy), France has the first army of Europe, and in quality one of the best of the world.....

And with the EU, it is stronger, stronger stronger.
Do you believe this crap padisha?

You are soooo funny. Conscript armies with long hair and earings are not classed as mighty.If i was in a combat situation and i found out the French and/or German armies was guarding my flank i would be afraid.Very afraid.

Damn and double damn! "You have given out too much reputation in a 24 hour period. Try again, later." :chains:

That was so great Taff! Now you know why UK isn't included in Euro references!

 

[taff]

Thanks Kathianne.

 

[Said1]

Damn and double damn! "You have given out too much reputation in a 24 hour period. Try again, later." :chains:

That was so great Taff! Now you know why UK isn't included in Euro references!

No shit! I see he's up-to-date on the postings of our looney frenchmen.

"alouette je te plumerai, je te plumerai la tête, je te plumerai la tête, et la tête, et la tête, alouette, alouette oooooooooooooooo alouette, gentille alouette" burp

 

[taff]

No shit! I see he's up-to-date on the postings of our looney frenchmen.

"alouette je te plumerai, je te plumerai la tête, je te plumerai la tête, et la tête, et la tête, alouette, alouette oooooooooooooooo alouette, gentille alouette" burp

I could only sit there so long being told how mighty France and Germany are without my fingers starting to twitch towards the reply button