EPA: Environmental Protection Agency

[skookerasbil]

Liberals.....the compassionate crowd!!

But we'll all note that EPA regulations supported by King Obama on coal are putting thousands and thousands out of work. Response by the compassionate liberals? "FUCK YOU"!!!! Our agenda is more important.

 

[bripat9643]

Note, Paddy ol boy, that the word "property" makes not a single appearance.

Big whup. Your source is more than likely a government subsidized left-wing professor.

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

18th century liberalism is the exact opposite of modern liberalism, which is indistinguishable from socialism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

You're 0-2 on committing logic. The fact is that without the institution of private property the division of labor is impossible and therefore civilization is impossible. Do you think farming started out as some kind of socialist endeavor? That has been tried time and time again, and the result has always been starvation.

 

[PMZ]

Natives in all lands saw no need for private property.

Only Europeans, pursuing specialization, saw it as advantageous, primarily because it allowed their conquering the world to be so profitable.

 

[mamooth]

Private property can't even exist without some form of coercive government. In order for the manufactured right to own private property to exist, there has to be a central authority which will enforce that manufactured right at gunpoint. That is, a government, and a strong one at that.

That leaves the kooks in a pickle, but that's their problem.

 

[daveman]

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

 

[PMZ]

Private property can't even exist without some form of coercive government. In order for the manufactured right to own private property to exist, there has to be a central authority which will enforce that manufactured right at gunpoint. That is, a government, and a strong one at that.

That leaves the kooks in a pickle, but that's their problem.

Conservatives are a big fan of pre-government primitive society.

What do you suppose that they see are the advantages of anarchy?

 

[PMZ]

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

Modern conservatives are anarchists.

I am modern, and liberal. What do I believe that's not classic liberalism?

 

[PMZ]

Note, Paddy ol boy, that the word "property" makes not a single appearance.

Big whup. Your source is more than likely a government subsidized left-wing professor.

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

18th century liberalism is the exact opposite of modern liberalism, which is indistinguishable from socialism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

You're 0-2 on committing logic. The fact is that without the institution of private property the division of labor is impossible and therefore civilization is impossible. Do you think farming started out as some kind of socialist endeavor? That has been tried time and time again, and the result has always been starvation.

Hunting and gathering is an inherent socialist lifestyle. When people started moving the plants and animals to where they were, rather than going out to find them, land ownership didn't change. It was the invention of government that brought about private property.

I frankly don't know a soul who's against private property nowadays.

 

[PMZ]

Liberals.....the compassionate crowd!!

But we'll all note that EPA regulations supported by King Obama on coal are putting thousands and thousands out of work. Response by the compassionate liberals? "FUCK YOU"!!!! Our agenda is more important.

Where is the evidence supporting what you want to be true?

 

[bripat9643]

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

Modern conservatives are anarchists.

I am modern, and liberal. What do I believe that's not classic liberalism?

You believe that people are nothing more than mules to be used whatever way the government sees fit, and you believe that all property belongs to the government, also to be used anyway the government sees fit.

In short, you're a statist - what the man on the street would call a socialist. 18th Century liberals were strong advocates of private property and limiting government to a the absolute minimum required to protect persons and property from predators.

 

[bripat9643]

Note, Paddy ol boy, that the word "property" makes not a single appearance.

Big whup. Your source is more than likely a government subsidized left-wing professor.



18th century liberalism is the exact opposite of modern liberalism, which is indistinguishable from socialism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

You're 0-2 on committing logic. The fact is that without the institution of private property the division of labor is impossible and therefore civilization is impossible. Do you think farming started out as some kind of socialist endeavor? That has been tried time and time again, and the result has always been starvation.

Hunting and gathering is an inherent socialist lifestyle. When people started moving the plants and animals to where they were, rather than going out to find them, land ownership didn't change. It was the invention of government that brought about private property.

Wrong. When people started farming they appropriated the land they grew their crops on. Do you suppose they allowed anyone who felt like it to trample through their fields and help themselves to the harvest?

Government started when someone decided to establish a monopoly on the business of providing protection for private property that had already been created.

I frankly don't know a soul who's against private property nowadays.

Every Democrat politician in Washington is the enemy of private property. Your hero Obama just ruled that property owners can't build coal fired power plants on their property. Telling people how they can use their property is an attack on their property rights.

 

[PMZ]

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

Modern conservatives are anarchists.

I am modern, and liberal. What do I believe that's not classic liberalism?

You believe that people are nothing more than mules to be used whatever way the government sees fit, and you believe that all property belongs to the government, also to be used anyway the government sees fit.

In short, you're a statist - what the man on the street would call a socialist. 18th Century liberals were strong advocates of private property and limiting government to a the absolute minimum required to protect persons and property from predators.

As it turns out, I know me better than you do. Who would have guessed.

I have no trouble at all with private property and don't even know anyone who does.

I believe that the more people there are in the world the more government is required. Government optimizes the big picture and is the only organization that can. Every other organization optimizes only themselves even at the expense of others. In the very old days the marketplace did some big picture optimization, but the days of free markets of even commodities was sacrificed to modern marketing, advertising, and the legal system.

So, does that make me a classic liberal or a modern one?

 

[daveman]

Note here Paddy, that support for private property is listed as one of the fundamental and defining properties of liberalism.

You're OH for TWO.

You really need to crack a book or two before opening that yap of yours.

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

Modern conservatives are anarchists.

Only if you believe that limited government equals no government.

Out here in the real world, that's simply not true.

I am modern, and liberal. What do I believe that's not classic liberalism?

Name something you believe in that increases liberty for ALL Americans.

 

[daveman]

I frankly don't know a soul who's against private property nowadays.

Your limited worldview proves only that your worldview is limited.

 

[bripat9643]

Private property can't even exist without some form of coercive government.

That's just plain bullshit because it did exist for thousands of years before governments ever existed.

In order for the manufactured right to own private property to exist, there has to be a central authority which will enforce that manufactured right at gunpoint. That is, a government, and a strong one at that.

If it's "manufactured," then try taking a bone away from a dog and see what his view on private property is.

That leaves the kooks in a pickle, but that's their problem.

You can find an explanation of how private property came into existence here:

http://www.hanshoppe.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/hoppe_origin-family-2007.pdf

Government had nothing to do with it.

 

[bripat9643]

Private property can't even exist without some form of coercive government. In order for the manufactured right to own private property to exist, there has to be a central authority which will enforce that manufactured right at gunpoint. That is, a government, and a strong one at that.

That leaves the kooks in a pickle, but that's their problem.

Conservatives are a big fan of pre-government primitive society.

What do you suppose that they see are the advantages of anarchy?

What is the advantage of not being mulcted and enslaved by a vast monopoly on the use of force? Gee, I wonder what it could be.

 

[PMZ]

Private property can't even exist without some form of coercive government.

That's just plain bullshit because it did exist for thousands of years before governments ever existed.

In order for the manufactured right to own private property to exist, there has to be a central authority which will enforce that manufactured right at gunpoint. That is, a government, and a strong one at that.

If it's "manufactured," then try taking a bone away from a dog and see what his view on private property is.

That leaves the kooks in a pickle, but that's their problem.

You can find an explanation of how private property came into existence here:

http://www.hanshoppe.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/hoppe_origin-family-2007.pdf

Government had nothing to do with it.

My browser recommends not opening your reference. What a cheap trick on your part.

''Government had nothing to do with it.''

Who enforced private property laws before government?

 

[PMZ]

I frankly don't know a soul who's against private property nowadays.

Your limited worldview proves only that your worldview is limited.

Are you against private property?

 

[PMZ]

Modern liberals do not support liberalism. I know it's confusing for you, since they both start with the same letter...

Modern conservatives are anarchists.

Only if you believe that limited government equals no government.

Out here in the real world, that's simply not true.

I am modern, and liberal. What do I believe that's not classic liberalism?

Name something you believe in that increases liberty for ALL Americans.

I believe that we are the freest people to ever inhabit the planet.

 

[daveman]

My browser recommends not opening your reference. What a cheap trick on your part.

My browser -- Chrome -- opened it right up.

I suspect you yourself recommend not opening his reference.

''Government had nothing to do with it.''

Who enforced private property laws before government?

Private property owners.