ENTIRE impeachment thing makes no sense

[BlindBoo]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

That's what President Trump has been subjected to by his political opponents.

Not only Trump but his children as well.

The Precedent is there.

The Mueller investigation happened because he fired the FBI director. His own DOJ opened that investigation, not the Democrats. Both Houses of Congress were controlled by the Trumpublicans for the first 2 years of his reign. The 116th Congress tried to investigation several of the matters Mueller's Report discovered, only to be obstructed by the Administrations claim to be above the law with the whole Blanket Immunity thing. Then came the Ukrainian Shakedown Scheme.

It's all self inflicted.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They've been talking impeachment from day one of Trumps presidency.

And then had to wait for three years for him to do something to deserve it.

it’s not terribly surprising. Trump has no idea what he’s doing.

This wins stupid post of the day.....

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

Your delusion is amusing. So Strzok lost his job why?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

This wins stupid post of the day.....

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

And you have proof of his intent? Please show proof of the intent. Thanks.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

That's what President Trump has been subjected to by his political opponents.

Not only Trump but his children as well.

The Precedent is there.

The Mueller investigation happened because he fired the FBI director. His own DOJ opened that investigation, not the Democrats. Both Houses of Congress were controlled by the Trumpublicans for the first 2 years of his reign. The 116th Congress tried to investigation several of the matters Mueller's Report discovered, only to be obstructed by the Administrations claim to be above the law with the whole Blanket Immunity thing. Then came the Ukrainian Shakedown Scheme.

It's all self inflicted.

If HRC had won then no one would be hiring Mueller. Let the people decide in 2020.

 

[colfax_m]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

And you have proof of his intent? Please show proof of the intent. Thanks.

1. He got his personal lawyer involved rather than the DoJ. Why would he do that if he was actually concerned about violations of law? Rudy has no legal authority here. He only has responsibility to Trump.

2. There was a push to announce the investigation publicly. The DoJ does not publicly announce investigations for good reason. Why the need for a public announcement if not to cause harm to Biden’s reputation?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This wins stupid post of the day.....

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

So you agree the steel dossier was not free or fair.

 

[colfax_m]

And then had to wait for three years for him to do something to deserve it.

it’s not terribly surprising. Trump has no idea what he’s doing.

This wins stupid post of the day.....

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

Your delusion is amusing. So Strzok lost his job why?

Because he was banging a coworker.

 

[colfax_m]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

So you agree the steel dossier was not free or fair.

Huh? The Steele dossier wasn’t a criminal investigation.

 

[Polishprince]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

And you have proof of his intent? Please show proof of the intent. Thanks.

There is no proof of any intent one way or another, because President Trump has been very careful to keep disloyal staff out of the loop.

And that's right there the reason why they are so peevish. They have been rendered useless as the President seeks counsel from people he trusts like Rudolph Giuliani and Jared Kushner and Rush H. Limbaugh III.

 

[colfax_m]

And then had to wait for three years for him to do something to deserve it.

it’s not terribly surprising. Trump has no idea what he’s doing.

If that's the case, why did it take 3 years to come up with even this weak thing that has about as much credibility as Kavanaugh's accuser?

I thought he should be impeached for obstruction of justice but apparently that was too “boring”.

It was. They've been focus group testing the charges to find one that sticks with their uneducated base.

Or something that might penetrate the Trump cult.

There’s some irony in people freaking out about Biden getting a prosecutor fired that may have been investigating a company that his son worked for and yet when Trump tried to get a prosecutor fired that definitely was investigating him, crickets.

That's the problem though when you bounce from one charge to another while ignoring the first ones. People start to think you really don't know what you are doing and that you're just desperate to find something to complain about.

Seems like a apt description of three years of Trump’s administration.

He did both, by the way. It’s just that because this is a political process, it needs public support. If this were a legitimate criminal proceeding, it would have been over ages ago.

 

[colfax_m]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

Which is why the impeachment thing is so dangerous for the democrats. They not only signaled that they would attempt to impeach him before he even took office, they spent years and millions of dollars trying to prove him guilty of collusion, and now aren't even using the results of that investigation. The people are noticing, and they will likely pay a big price. Trump hasn't opened any investigations into anyone as of yet. Heck, we don't even know for sure if Crazy Uncle Joe will get the nomination or not. Score to date in questionable investigations: democrats, several. Trump, none.

Dems didn’t spend years trying to prove Russian collusion. The DoJ did. Mueller, a Republican, appointed by Rosenstein, a Republican, did that for us. As the IG report lays bare, it was appropriately predicated.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

So you agree the steel dossier was not free or fair.

Huh? The Steele dossier wasn’t a criminal investigation.[/QUOTE......

FISA "court"

 

[jc456]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

I'm done arguing with mentally challenged dotards like yourself. The results will speak for themselves and you'll either learn from it or not.

Depends on how many mentally challenged dotards like yourself come out to vote for Donald “I’m above the law” Trump.

coming from a guy who's okay with spying on a political opponent with our FBI. now there's no abuse of power going on there, nope, that old mind meld thingy

 

[jc456]

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

That's what President Trump has been subjected to by his political opponents.

Not only Trump but his children as well.

The Precedent is there.

The Mueller investigation happened because he fired the FBI director. His own DOJ opened that investigation, not the Democrats. Both Houses of Congress were controlled by the Trumpublicans for the first 2 years of his reign. The 116th Congress tried to investigation several of the matters Mueller's Report discovered, only to be obstructed by the Administrations claim to be above the law with the whole Blanket Immunity thing. Then came the Ukrainian Shakedown Scheme.

It's all self inflicted.

and he was allowed to end up as such. your own fking words rabbit!!!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If that's the case, why did it take 3 years to come up with even this weak thing that has about as much credibility as Kavanaugh's accuser?

I thought he should be impeached for obstruction of justice but apparently that was too “boring”.

It was. They've been focus group testing the charges to find one that sticks with their uneducated base.

Or something that might penetrate the Trump cult.

There’s some irony in people freaking out about Biden getting a prosecutor fired that may have been investigating a company that his son worked for and yet when Trump tried to get a prosecutor fired that definitely was investigating him, crickets.

That's the problem though when you bounce from one charge to another while ignoring the first ones. People start to think you really don't know what you are doing and that you're just desperate to find something to complain about.

Seems like a apt description of three years of Trump’s administration.

He did both, by the way. It’s just that because this is a political process, it needs public support. If this were a legitimate criminal proceeding, it would have been over ages ago.

Yeah it would have.
It would have been tossed out immediately.

 

[hadit]

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

And you have proof of his intent? Please show proof of the intent. Thanks.

1. He got his personal lawyer involved rather than the DoJ. Why would he do that if he was actually concerned about violations of law? Rudy has no legal authority here. He only has responsibility to Trump.

2. There was a push to announce the investigation publicly. The DoJ does not publicly announce investigations for good reason. Why the need for a public announcement if not to cause harm to Biden’s reputation?

Those are questions to which there are a multitude of answers. When you start asking "why did Trump do something?", you already have what you think is the only plausible answer in mind, and that answer is derogatory to Trump. The reality is, there are other plausible answers that are not derogatory at all. For instance, why did Trump involve his personal attorney? Maybe he, for good reason, didn't trust the existing trolls as far as he could throw them after seeing things he did leaked to the media in obvious attempts to smear him. The same questions was asked of Hillary in her private email server scandal. Why did she avoid using government provided email services? It would be easy to insist that the only plausible answer is that she wanted to avoid oversight of her communications as Sec State because she was selling access and power, yet that's not the only plausible reason she would do that.

 

[colfax_m]

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

It's as fair and free as it's always been. How is it not?

Opening bullshit investigations into political opponents is not free and fair. That’s corrupt.

So you agree the steel dossier was not free or fair.

Huh? The Steele dossier wasn’t a criminal investigation.[/QUOTE......

FISA "court"

So you want me to believe that a secret warrant on a former Trump campaign staffer in a secret investigation that wasn’t revealed until months after the election somehow influenced voters?

 

[hadit]

If that's the case, why did it take 3 years to come up with even this weak thing that has about as much credibility as Kavanaugh's accuser?

I thought he should be impeached for obstruction of justice but apparently that was too “boring”.

It was. They've been focus group testing the charges to find one that sticks with their uneducated base.

Or something that might penetrate the Trump cult.

There’s some irony in people freaking out about Biden getting a prosecutor fired that may have been investigating a company that his son worked for and yet when Trump tried to get a prosecutor fired that definitely was investigating him, crickets.

That's the problem though when you bounce from one charge to another while ignoring the first ones. People start to think you really don't know what you are doing and that you're just desperate to find something to complain about.

Seems like a apt description of three years of Trump’s administration.

He did both, by the way. It’s just that because this is a political process, it needs public support. If this were a legitimate criminal proceeding, it would have been over ages ago.

It is an apt description, because that's exactly what the democrats did in their hounding of Trump. They bounced from "He's icky", to "He colluded", to "Extortion", to "Bribery", and now "Obstruction of Congress". It's reached ludicrous levels. As for impeachment, it certainly needs public support, because it's a very weak case from which to get rid of a president.

 

[The Original Tree]

Just so everyone knows, there are no crimes listed in US Code that are called

"Abuse of Power"
or
"Obstruction of Congress"

Those Articles are works of fiction and neither is an impeachable offense.

There is a law called "Abuse of Office" but sadly for The Democrats, it only describes how they abused their office to attempt to deny The Constitutional Immunities and Privileges of The Executive Branch.

25 CFR § 11.448 - Abuse of office.

§ 11.448 Abuse of office.
A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity or taking advantage of such actual or purported capacity commits a misdemeanor if, knowing that his or her conduct is illegal, he or she:

(a) Subjects another to arrest, detention, search, seizure, mistreatment, dispossession, assessment, lien or other infringement of personal or property rights; or

(b) Denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity.

 

[Polishprince]

This wins stupid post of the day.....

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Explain Strzok and Paige. Contingency plans and all. Just let the people decide in 2020.

Nothing to explain. Strzok and Page didn’t do anything illegal or inappropriate to Trump.

Trump is trying to cheat. It’s hard to say just let the people vote when it’s not a free and fair election.

Your delusion is amusing. So Strzok lost his job why?

Because he was banging a coworker.

What makes you think that Strzok was banging Page?

The broad acted offended when President Trump discussed those allegations during his big speech in Minneapolis.