Enough is enough

[eagle1462010]

Air Craft Carrier Battle Groups are the back bone of the Navy...........As another poster has stated, they go out with escort ships and Attack submarines..................It is power projection and is not outdated................It allows air power to come up and personal pretty much anywhere in the world...................

Attacks on these groups have to go through the outer defenses..........The fast attacks looking for threats and the escort ships.........

USS Port Royal (CG-73)

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It can fire 122 vertical launch missiles in a couple of minutes tracking all of the targets.....It can use another ships radar to target as well.........The phased array radar is probably the best radar on the planet for ships.

8 Harpoons.......anti ship missiles......
Can carry 2 Helo's capable of dropping Sona bouys and dipping Sona bouys for anti submarine Warfare............

To get to the carrier you've got to go through these guys....in a full spread formation they can see 2500 nautical miles with the radar.

 

[eagle1462010]

CIWS is close up last defense............very accurate and I thought it could now fire 3500 rounds a minute..............

Sounds like a wet fart when shot.

 

[eagle1462010]

Arleigh Burke–class destroyer

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Carriers don't leave home without it........What's in your wallet.

 

[IsaacNewton]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

 

[eagle1462010]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

You obviously under estimate the fire power of a Carrier Battle Group. And to get a cheap missile into a carrier you have to go through the escorts..........and roughly 120 aircraft from the carrier.........

When I was in we used SM1 missiles.........served on a Leahy Class CG.........we had a skin to skin hit on a drone at 150 miles.

We have 2 of these groups over there now conducting combat ops in Inherent Resolve......The only problem with the current policy they keep coming home with the bombs.

 

[IsaacNewton]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

You obviously under estimate the fire power of a Carrier Battle Group. And to get a cheap missile into a carrier you have to go through the escorts..........and roughly 120 aircraft from the carrier.........

When I was in we used SM1 missiles.........served on a Leahy Class CG.........we had a skin to skin hit on a drone at 150 miles.

We have 2 of these groups over there now conducting combat ops in Inherent Resolve......The only problem with the current policy they keep coming home with the bombs.

The enemy, knowing the defenses, will simply produce large volumes of relatively cheap missiles to overcome, all defenses.

It doesn't matter how many defenses a carrier group has, any ship is vulnerable. And I see no one will answer the question, how much IS too much for a ship.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

How close do they have to get to launch these "cheap missiles"?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

You obviously under estimate the fire power of a Carrier Battle Group. And to get a cheap missile into a carrier you have to go through the escorts..........and roughly 120 aircraft from the carrier.........

When I was in we used SM1 missiles.........served on a Leahy Class CG.........we had a skin to skin hit on a drone at 150 miles.

We have 2 of these groups over there now conducting combat ops in Inherent Resolve......The only problem with the current policy they keep coming home with the bombs.

The enemy, knowing the defenses, will simply produce large volumes of relatively cheap missiles to overcome, all defenses.

It doesn't matter how many defenses a carrier group has, any ship is vulnerable. And I see no one will answer the question, how much IS too much for a ship.

The only two a carrier battle group has to worry about is China and Russia....and China is iffy. You underestimate the strength of a US Navy carrier battle group.

 

[eagle1462010]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

You obviously under estimate the fire power of a Carrier Battle Group. And to get a cheap missile into a carrier you have to go through the escorts..........and roughly 120 aircraft from the carrier.........

When I was in we used SM1 missiles.........served on a Leahy Class CG.........we had a skin to skin hit on a drone at 150 miles.

We have 2 of these groups over there now conducting combat ops in Inherent Resolve......The only problem with the current policy they keep coming home with the bombs.

The enemy, knowing the defenses, will simply produce large volumes of relatively cheap missiles to overcome, all defenses.

It doesn't matter how many defenses a carrier group has, any ship is vulnerable. And I see no one will answer the question, how much IS too much for a ship.

It is too much when the builders scam the Gov't for building it...........Charging them 2 times for some areas of construction and we kick the money out.............

Not having the assets to maintain 2 carrier battle groups in the hot zone...............What price tag do we limit that capability on.................You have been firing away at going in and killing ISIS, and now bitch at the very heart of the Navy that puts our forces on their doorstep....................

You can't have your cake and eat it too.............

BTW it takes a month to get on station from the United States and a month to get home.....that is to stay in the area of ops for 4 to 5 months...........we have to maintain a certain number of groups in order to keep them on station over there...........and put them in the yard for repairs...............which requires the extra groups.

 

[eagle1462010]

All old news and irrelevant.

If a missile costs a couple million dollars, how many can the enemy afford to deploy against this asset. That is how the math works. The answer, they will deploy enough to overwhelm the defenses because the missiles are infinitely cheaper than this one ship.

In peacetime it looks great. In a real war it is terribly vulnerable to very cheap weapons.

No answer to the question, how much would be too much for one ship.

How close do they have to get to launch these "cheap missiles"?

Closer than 150 miles.

 

[IsaacNewton]

'Yeah, Amuhrca we can't lose, our ships can never sink, our planes can not be shot down, our tanks cannot be destroyed, yada yada yada.

The defense industry, if you went to visit any one of them, would kiss you straight on the mouth.

 

[eagle1462010]

'Yeah, Amuhrca we can't lose, our ships can never sink, our planes can not be shot down, our tanks cannot be destroyed, yada yada yada.

The defense industry, if you went to visit any one of them, would kiss you straight on the mouth.

Who the hell said they can't be hit...................I didn't..............What I'm saying you'd have a hell of a time doing so....................Again you give too much credit to cheap weapons systems..........

As another poster has already stated...........only China and Russia are really a threat to these groups.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The US Navy is about to launch its newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the first of the new Ford class.

Cost: $ 13 billion dollars!

Even a layman could see that all ships are now vulnerable to surface to ship missiles. And when those missiles cost a few million dollars, compard to 13 billion dollars, the cost/benefit ratio is gigantic. And this ship won't be invulnerable to missiles, just like every other ship. Especially if 10 missiles or more are shot at them at once. Which, if someone is trying to sink a US carrier then the horse is out of the gate and its full on war so they won't hold back.

The US military wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on crap like this that is meant to fight a war 50 years ago, just because they want to spend the money.

$13 billion for one ship. Ridiculous.

I guess you have never been on a carrier, nor have you studied the kind of defenses that they have, because otherwise you wouldn't have brought up missiles.

Carriers have a missile defense system, it's called CWIS (Close In Weapons System) and is usually a gatling gun that is capable of firing over 3,000 rounds per min. Sailors have nicknamed that particular little system "R2D2 with a hard on", because that is exactly what it looks like. And, there is one mounted on the 4 corners of the ship, as well as 2 others on either side, midships.

And that is before we start talking about the countermeasures that the picket ships guarding the carrier are deployed. Aegis and Arleigh Burke class ships that are also able to take out missiles.

Guess you have not heard about China's New supersonic carrier killer missile. Nothing the navy has can stop that.

 

[eagle1462010]

The US Navy is about to launch its newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the first of the new Ford class.

Cost: $ 13 billion dollars!

Even a layman could see that all ships are now vulnerable to surface to ship missiles. And when those missiles cost a few million dollars, compard to 13 billion dollars, the cost/benefit ratio is gigantic. And this ship won't be invulnerable to missiles, just like every other ship. Especially if 10 missiles or more are shot at them at once. Which, if someone is trying to sink a US carrier then the horse is out of the gate and its full on war so they won't hold back.

The US military wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on crap like this that is meant to fight a war 50 years ago, just because they want to spend the money.

$13 billion for one ship. Ridiculous.

I guess you have never been on a carrier, nor have you studied the kind of defenses that they have, because otherwise you wouldn't have brought up missiles.

Carriers have a missile defense system, it's called CWIS (Close In Weapons System) and is usually a gatling gun that is capable of firing over 3,000 rounds per min. Sailors have nicknamed that particular little system "R2D2 with a hard on", because that is exactly what it looks like. And, there is one mounted on the 4 corners of the ship, as well as 2 others on either side, midships.

And that is before we start talking about the countermeasures that the picket ships guarding the carrier are deployed. Aegis and Arleigh Burke class ships that are also able to take out missiles.

Guess you have not heard about China's New supersonic carrier killer missile. Nothing the navy has can stop that.

ICBM and Ballistic missiles for cruise missile applications aren't new.............and that would mean a War with China............we have attack drone on stand by that open only in case of War with China or Russia......................Not to mention the version launched from a sub would be facing some of these...................

 

[IsaacNewton]

'Yeah, Amuhrca we can't lose, our ships can never sink, our planes can not be shot down, our tanks cannot be destroyed, yada yada yada.

The defense industry, if you went to visit any one of them, would kiss you straight on the mouth.

Who the hell said they can't be hit...................I didn't..............What I'm saying you'd have a hell of a time doing so....................Again you give too much credit to cheap weapons systems..........

As another poster has already stated...........only China and Russia are really a threat to these groups.

You mistake 'cheap' with poor quality. The opposite is the case. Cheap as compared to 13 billion dollars for one asset. But neither the Chinese nor the Russians have inferior missiles.

Its the same scenario as in WW2 with tanks. The German Tiger outclassed everything it faced. The Sherman was crap and the T-34, which was better than the Sherman, was still outclassed as the Tiger was built in response to the T-34.

But the Germans built 1800 of them. The US built 50,000 tanks as did the Russians. It didn't matter how good the Tiger was.

 

[eagle1462010]

'Yeah, Amuhrca we can't lose, our ships can never sink, our planes can not be shot down, our tanks cannot be destroyed, yada yada yada.

The defense industry, if you went to visit any one of them, would kiss you straight on the mouth.

Who the hell said they can't be hit...................I didn't..............What I'm saying you'd have a hell of a time doing so....................Again you give too much credit to cheap weapons systems..........

As another poster has already stated...........only China and Russia are really a threat to these groups.

You mistake 'cheap' with poor quality. The opposite is the case. Cheap as compared to 13 billion dollars for one asset. But neither the Chinese nor the Russians have inferior missiles.

Its the same scenario as in WW2 with tanks. The German Tiger outclassed everything it faced. The Sherman was crap and the T-34, which was better than the Sherman, was still outclassed as the Tiger was built in response to the T-34.

But the Germans built 1800 of them. The US built 50,000 tanks as did the Russians. It didn't matter how good the Tiger was.

Tell that to the iraqi's ..................

 

[Wyatt earp]

The US Navy is about to launch its newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the first of the new Ford class.

Cost: $ 13 billion dollars!

Even a layman could see that all ships are now vulnerable to surface to ship missiles. And when those missiles cost a few million dollars, compard to 13 billion dollars, the cost/benefit ratio is gigantic. And this ship won't be invulnerable to missiles, just like every other ship. Especially if 10 missiles or more are shot at them at once. Which, if someone is trying to sink a US carrier then the horse is out of the gate and its full on war so they won't hold back.

The US military wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on crap like this that is meant to fight a war 50 years ago, just because they want to spend the money.

$13 billion for one ship. Ridiculous.

I guess you have never been on a carrier, nor have you studied the kind of defenses that they have, because otherwise you wouldn't have brought up missiles.

Carriers have a missile defense system, it's called CWIS (Close In Weapons System) and is usually a gatling gun that is capable of firing over 3,000 rounds per min. Sailors have nicknamed that particular little system "R2D2 with a hard on", because that is exactly what it looks like. And, there is one mounted on the 4 corners of the ship, as well as 2 others on either side, midships.

And that is before we start talking about the countermeasures that the picket ships guarding the carrier are deployed. Aegis and Arleigh Burke class ships that are also able to take out missiles.

Guess you have not heard about China's New supersonic carrier killer missile. Nothing the navy has can stop that.

ICBM and Ballistic missiles for cruise missile applications aren't new.............and that would mean a War with China............we have attack drone on stand by that open only in case of War with China or Russia......................Not to mention the version launched from a sub would be facing some of these...................

I said Super sonic

Well should of said Hypersonic

China's New Hypersonic Missile Can Scream Past US Air Defenses


The missile test itself was not broadcast among any public channels but was detected, an anonymous Pentagon officialconfirmed with the Washington Free Beacon, flying at extremely high speeds over mainland China on January 9. And while details of the HGV are very slim at this point, analysts believe it works much like the HGV's developed by other nations including the US, India and Russia.

It's assumed that the HGV is launched aboard an ICBM, separates from the missile's final stage while still in space, some 62 miles above the planet's surface, and then zooms back into the atmosphere at more than ten times the speed of sound—around mach 10 or 7,680 miles per hour. That's fast enough to enter American airspace before we even react. By comparison, today's cruise missile technology tops out at around 500 to 600 mph.

 

[IsaacNewton]

'Yeah, Amuhrca we can't lose, our ships can never sink, our planes can not be shot down, our tanks cannot be destroyed, yada yada yada.

The defense industry, if you went to visit any one of them, would kiss you straight on the mouth.

Who the hell said they can't be hit...................I didn't..............What I'm saying you'd have a hell of a time doing so....................Again you give too much credit to cheap weapons systems..........

As another poster has already stated...........only China and Russia are really a threat to these groups.

You mistake 'cheap' with poor quality. The opposite is the case. Cheap as compared to 13 billion dollars for one asset. But neither the Chinese nor the Russians have inferior missiles.

Its the same scenario as in WW2 with tanks. The German Tiger outclassed everything it faced. The Sherman was crap and the T-34, which was better than the Sherman, was still outclassed as the Tiger was built in response to the T-34.

But the Germans built 1800 of them. The US built 50,000 tanks as did the Russians. It didn't matter how good the Tiger was.

Tell that to the iraqi's ..................

You make no sense.

 

[Votto]

The US Navy is about to launch its newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the first of the new Ford class.

Cost: $ 13 billion dollars!

Even a layman could see that all ships are now vulnerable to surface to ship missiles. And when those missiles cost a few million dollars, compard to 13 billion dollars, the cost/benefit ratio is gigantic. And this ship won't be invulnerable to missiles, just like every other ship. Especially if 10 missiles or more are shot at them at once. Which, if someone is trying to sink a US carrier then the horse is out of the gate and its full on war so they won't hold back.

The US military wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on crap like this that is meant to fight a war 50 years ago, just because they want to spend the money.

$13 billion for one ship. Ridiculous.

Well we better elect a President that knows how to spend that money better.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The US Navy is about to launch its newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the first of the new Ford class.

Cost: $ 13 billion dollars!

Even a layman could see that all ships are now vulnerable to surface to ship missiles. And when those missiles cost a few million dollars, compard to 13 billion dollars, the cost/benefit ratio is gigantic. And this ship won't be invulnerable to missiles, just like every other ship. Especially if 10 missiles or more are shot at them at once. Which, if someone is trying to sink a US carrier then the horse is out of the gate and its full on war so they won't hold back.

The US military wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on crap like this that is meant to fight a war 50 years ago, just because they want to spend the money.

$13 billion for one ship. Ridiculous.

Well we better elect a President that knows how to spend that money better.

Presidents don't spend money. Congress does.