England vs. U.S. murder rate

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    England outlawed handguns in 1997.

    1996 murder rates per 100,000:
    U.S. 7.41 : England 1.12 = U.S was 6.62 times as high

    List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

    2016 murder rates per 100,000
    U.S. 4.9 : England 1.22 = U.S. = U.S. is 4.02 times as high

    When they wail on about the England having a lower murder rate than the USA, they already did before they banned handguns! In fact, now the USA has 4 times the murder rate, whereas before England banned hand guns, we had 6.6 times the murder rate. The gap between us has shrunk considerably since England banned hand guns.

    In 1920 homicide rate per 100,000: US 6.8 vs. England 0.81

    Was that caused by the gun laws England passed over 70 years later?
     
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    Take certain neighborhoods out of the equation and the United States is as safe as any other Western country.
     
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    It’s the dirty little secret no progressive wants to talk about. Violent crime rates have nothing to do with access to guns or gun ownership rates. Idaho and Switzerland have some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, yet have the lowest gun violence rates. For the most part, the biggest factor is minority population. The more blacks, Latinos, or Muslims you have, the more your murder rates will skyrocket.
     
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    Murder is the stupidest crime to commit, so naturally stupid people commit it the most.
     
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    A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

    A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

    The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
     
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    You're not very smart, are you?

    I can kill a person with my bare hands, and I'm not even trained to do it.

    If I really want to kill someone, I'm not going to let a lack of a gun stop me.
     
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    You could also argue that huge areas of economic ruin that have been devastated by "helpful" progressives instilling values designed to decimate the family structure and social norms in those communities play a significant factor.

    Average income vs. Illegitimacy rate

    Asian 81,331 : 27.2%
    White 68,145 : 30.0%
    Hispanic 50,486 : 56.9%
    Black 40,258 : 77.3%

    Notice the consistent inverse relationship between illegitimacy rate and income. You will notice a similar pattern if you look at murder rates.

    In 1964, the War on Poverty was launched. The black illegitimacy rate was 25%. Today it is 77% and can not get much higher. However, now the progressives are at work destroying the family structure of other ethnic groups, targeting poorer communities and injecting their values into those communities, partially through the educational system. The white illegitimacy rate has been increased to 30% over the years.

    The True Black Tragedy: Illegitimacy Rate of Nearly 75%
     

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    Or builds one, or 3D Prints and builds one, or buys it off the black market, or borrows it from a friend, or simply never registered. I'd also like to point out that the police's 15 minute response time does nothing to solve this, but hey, at least they can show up and straight-up murder the victim if he defends himself by shooting the potential gunman when threatened.
    He can build them, buy them off the black market, or just stab people who can't defend themselves because they're following the opinions written on paper and enforced by violence of their authoritarian government. Gosh, it's like prohibition doesn't stop people from obtaining the prohibited items anyway, you know, like how drug laws demonstrably don't work across the US, gun laws don't work in Europe or Chicago, and the prohibition of alcohol didn't actually stop the consumption of alcohol.
    See, now because I didn't let your assumptions through, your closing statement looks even more ill-informed. I wonder how many of those could be prevented if authoritarian governments didn't restrict self-defense, and how many of those are suicides, dishonestly counted as "gun violence" or whatever broad and dishonest term you would like to refer to it as. Then again, police are also part of that statistic, they're just not punished for straight-up murdering people, they instead get paid leave.
     
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    Sure...everybody has the stuff to make a gun laying around their condo; 3D printers too!

    To call you an idiot is to give you a compliment.
     
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    You'll have a harder time doing it. That is why people used guns to kill others, and themselves at an 80% success rate!
     

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