England vs. U.S. murder rate

England outlawed handguns in 1997.

1996 murder rates per 100,000:
U.S. 7.41 : England 1.12 = U.S was 6.62 times as high

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

2016 murder rates per 100,000
U.S. 4.9 : England 1.22 = U.S. = U.S. is 4.02 times as high

When they wail on about the England having a lower murder rate than the USA, they already did before they banned handguns! In fact, now the USA has 4 times the murder rate, whereas before England banned hand guns, we had 6.6 times the murder rate. The gap between us has shrunk considerably since England banned hand guns.

In 1920 homicide rate per 100,000: US 6.8 vs. England 0.81

Was that caused by the gun laws England passed over 70 years later?
I know both countries pretty well...I love america dearly but it is infested with crime, angry people, ignorance and especially guns.

Neither the time or the place but that is what always made me wonder about Lee Harvey Oswald and the "lone nut theory" the Warren Commission endorsed, went with, or proffered....

We have more lonely nuts than ever, more guns than ever, and more opportunities to massacre government officials than ever...
It would seem that there would be a lot more "lone nuts" out there killing all sorts of government officials. Instead, there are very few attacks on public figures involving firearms.
The issue is that progressive socialist schemes go out of whack. Poverty should have ended by now don't you think?

Not sure how that is the issue in this thread.

The reason it is being brought up is because progressive policies inflicted on low income areas seem to have destroyed the family unit and wrought havoc both in terms of economic productivity as well as crime rates. This appears to be a more significant factor in regards to crime rates than simply gun laws.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
Yeah that happens all the time right?

Do you actually think that every murder was immediately preceded by the purchase of a gun?

Do you even know if most murders are committed with legally purchased guns or illegally purchased guns?

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
Yeah that happens all the time right?

Do you actually think that every murder was immediately preceded by the purchase of a gun?

Do you even know if most murders are committed with legally purchased guns or illegally purchased guns?

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

I’m sure the INCEL sometimes steals the gun from their parents room or just murders them like in the case of Adam Lanza (gun nut and nut in general).
 
Democrats gun ownership is in our bill of rights, YOU WILL NEVER TAKE OUR GUNS, never!

You can move out please stop your crying about our rights
 
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

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The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe
That chart is a decade old and has been debunked so many times. Its bullshit printed by the Murdoch press to attack the then government.

So, debunk it. You can't. Thank you.
 
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

Violent%20Crime-L.jpg


The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year.
All of your cooked numbers pale in significance.

Please show me the "cooked" numbers.

Thank you!
 
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

Violent%20Crime-L.jpg


The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year.
All of your cooked numbers pale in significance.

Please show me the "cooked" numbers.

Thank you!

Where are your stats for gun deaths there chef?
Left that out of the recipe...didn't ya?
 
England outlawed handguns in 1997.

1996 murder rates per 100,000:
U.S. 7.41 : England 1.12 = U.S was 6.62 times as high

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

2016 murder rates per 100,000
U.S. 4.9 : England 1.22 = U.S. = U.S. is 4.02 times as high

When they wail on about the England having a lower murder rate than the USA, they already did before they banned handguns! In fact, now the USA has 4 times the murder rate, whereas before England banned hand guns, we had 6.6 times the murder rate. The gap between us has shrunk considerably since England banned hand guns.

In 1920 homicide rate per 100,000: US 6.8 vs. England 0.81

Was that caused by the gun laws England passed over 70 years later?

I think it has to do with types of societies as dangerous as that thought is.

Certain nuts are just going to go around shooting up Mosques.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.
Or builds one, or 3D Prints and builds one, or buys it off the black market, or borrows it from a friend, or simply never registered. I'd also like to point out that the police's 15 minute response time does nothing to solve this, but hey, at least they can show up and straight-up murder the victim if he defends himself by shooting the potential gunman when threatened.
A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.
He can build them, buy them off the black market, or just stab people who can't defend themselves because they're following the opinions written on paper and enforced by violence of their authoritarian government. Gosh, it's like prohibition doesn't stop people from obtaining the prohibited items anyway, you know, like how drug laws demonstrably don't work across the US, gun laws don't work in Europe or Chicago, and the prohibition of alcohol didn't actually stop the consumption of alcohol.
The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
See, now because I didn't let your assumptions through, your closing statement looks even more ill-informed. I wonder how many of those could be prevented if authoritarian governments didn't restrict self-defense, and how many of those are suicides, dishonestly counted as "gun violence" or whatever broad and dishonest term you would like to refer to it as. Then again, police are also part of that statistic, they're just not punished for straight-up murdering people, they instead get paid leave.

Sure...everybody has the stuff to make a gun laying around their condo; 3D printers too!

To call you an idiot is to give you a compliment.
People in prisons have built a shotgun from batteries, bed posts, curtain tape, and a broken light bulb.
H1i49u2.jpg

This one was made in the workshop from pieces of steel and match heads:
yzOFvK9.jpg

So, yes, people quite literally have the makings for a gun laying around. It's actually easier than making drugs; That other thing prohibition doesn't work on.

Anyone can buy a 3D Printer(Around $200), and the schematics for guns are available online. I find it hilarious that you didn't bother to look any of this up, yet called me names. This is all, of course, ignoring that you immediately tried to push the assumption that criminals have NO money whatsoever, and have no job with which to make money, just to push your false narrative because you know you're wrong. You also seem to be under the impression that some sociopaths writing on a piece of paper, then telling their mercenaries that this opinion written on said piece of paper shall now be enforced, actually prevents people from doing said things. No, it only means that IF they catch you, they'll respond in roughly 15 minutes to initiate violence against you. Your Lord and Savior, Government, is not omnipotent.

And they print the gunpowder too...dumbass.
Well, firstly, it can be bought(On the black market or white market), secondly it's just charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate. Secondly, neither weapon that I showed you, which were built in prisons, needed Gunpowder. Although, making it apparently isn't that complicated since it has been around since the 7th century. Do you just 'think' that commodities can't be made by people, despite businesses selling these commodities are run by people?

Besides, not being available on white markets just increases demand on black markets, if people want something, they can find it. Much like drugs, which you keep ignoring because it proves that restricting or banning something won't prevent people from getting it if they want it. You've already make yourself look like a retard, you may as well take that big, fat L.
 
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

Violent%20Crime-L.jpg


The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe
That chart is a decade old and has been debunked so many times. Its bullshit printed by the Murdoch press to attack the then government.

So, debunk it. You can't. Thank you.
Its a bullshit chart.There is no proper comparison on violent crime because every country records it differently. However when we look at gun and knife homicides the US leads the way.
The paper that produced it is the UK equivalent of Fox, nobody takes it seriously.
 
Its a bullshit chart.There is no proper comparison on violent crime because every country records it differently. However when we look at gun and knife homicides the US leads the way.
The paper that produced it is the UK equivalent of Fox, nobody takes it seriously.

You just hate it when I post this on your intentionally inflammatory and desperate threads proving you to be wrong. You rattle on about my post not being true, but after all this time, you've never proven anything. Just childish whining.

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Its a bullshit chart.There is no proper comparison on violent crime because every country records it differently. However when we look at gun and knife homicides the US leads the way.
The paper that produced it is the UK equivalent of Fox, nobody takes it seriously.

You just hate it when I post this on your intentionally inflammatory and desperate threads proving you to be wrong. You rattle on about my post not being true, but after all this time, you've never proven anything. Just childish whining.

58957033-S.jpg
I am not whining, I am laughing at your bovine stupidity.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.
Or builds one, or 3D Prints and builds one, or buys it off the black market, or borrows it from a friend, or simply never registered. I'd also like to point out that the police's 15 minute response time does nothing to solve this, but hey, at least they can show up and straight-up murder the victim if he defends himself by shooting the potential gunman when threatened.
A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.
He can build them, buy them off the black market, or just stab people who can't defend themselves because they're following the opinions written on paper and enforced by violence of their authoritarian government. Gosh, it's like prohibition doesn't stop people from obtaining the prohibited items anyway, you know, like how drug laws demonstrably don't work across the US, gun laws don't work in Europe or Chicago, and the prohibition of alcohol didn't actually stop the consumption of alcohol.
The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
See, now because I didn't let your assumptions through, your closing statement looks even more ill-informed. I wonder how many of those could be prevented if authoritarian governments didn't restrict self-defense, and how many of those are suicides, dishonestly counted as "gun violence" or whatever broad and dishonest term you would like to refer to it as. Then again, police are also part of that statistic, they're just not punished for straight-up murdering people, they instead get paid leave.

Sure...everybody has the stuff to make a gun laying around their condo; 3D printers too!

To call you an idiot is to give you a compliment.
People in prisons have built a shotgun from batteries, bed posts, curtain tape, and a broken light bulb.
H1i49u2.jpg

This one was made in the workshop from pieces of steel and match heads:
yzOFvK9.jpg

So, yes, people quite literally have the makings for a gun laying around. It's actually easier than making drugs; That other thing prohibition doesn't work on.

Anyone can buy a 3D Printer(Around $200), and the schematics for guns are available online. I find it hilarious that you didn't bother to look any of this up, yet called me names. This is all, of course, ignoring that you immediately tried to push the assumption that criminals have NO money whatsoever, and have no job with which to make money, just to push your false narrative because you know you're wrong. You also seem to be under the impression that some sociopaths writing on a piece of paper, then telling their mercenaries that this opinion written on said piece of paper shall now be enforced, actually prevents people from doing said things. No, it only means that IF they catch you, they'll respond in roughly 15 minutes to initiate violence against you. Your Lord and Savior, Government, is not omnipotent.

And they print the gunpowder too...dumbass.
Well, firstly, it can be bought(On the black market or white market), secondly it's just charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate. Secondly, neither weapon that I showed you, which were built in prisons, needed Gunpowder. Although, making it apparently isn't that complicated since it has been around since the 7th century. Do you just 'think' that commodities can't be made by people, despite businesses selling these commodities are run by people?

Besides, not being available on white markets just increases demand on black markets, if people want something, they can find it. Much like drugs, which you keep ignoring because it proves that restricting or banning something won't prevent people from getting it if they want it. You've already make yourself look like a retard, you may as well take that big, fat L.

TL DR DC
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
You're not very smart, are you?

I can kill a person with my bare hands, and I'm not even trained to do it.

If I really want to kill someone, I'm not going to let a lack of a gun stop me.
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

Violent%20Crime-L.jpg


The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year.
All of your cooked numbers pale in significance.

That must be an acceptable number considering the profits the Manufactures make. They estimate about 40,000 die each year from second hand tobacco smoke. Can't mention the half a million deaths per year of those who choose to smoke.....
 
Its a bullshit chart.There is no proper comparison on violent crime because every country records it differently. However when we look at gun and knife homicides the US leads the way.
The paper that produced it is the UK equivalent of Fox, nobody takes it seriously.

You just hate it when I post this on your intentionally inflammatory and desperate threads proving you to be wrong. You rattle on about my post not being true, but after all this time, you've never proven anything. Just childish whining.

58957033-S.jpg
I am not whining, I am laughing at your bovine stupidity.

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A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
Yeah that happens all the time right?

Do you actually think that every murder was immediately preceded by the purchase of a gun?

Do you even know if most murders are committed with legally purchased guns or illegally purchased guns?

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

I’m sure the INCEL sometimes steals the gun from their parents room or just murders them like in the case of Adam Lanza (gun nut and nut in general).

So you mean they get their guns illegally

Gee imagine that
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

How does that relate to the OP?
 

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