End Green Energy Subsidies Now!

[westwall]

Which doesn't address the fact that batteries are technologically nearly maxed out. If you invest heavily in battery technology you're screwed for the next big advance. Fuel Cell technology is in its infancy. It enjoys one huge advantage over batteries and that is it doesn't require toxic substances to manufacture it, nor are the byproducts toxic when they wear out.

As I keep stating, batteries are cute but they're OLD technology.

You can state it all you want but you're still wrong and stupid. All kinds of new battery innovations happening right now, including manufacturing batteries using entirely non strategic metals. Why don't you know these things? Is it ignorance or dishonesty?
Stanford and SLAC Join New Battery Research Partnership Precourt Institute for Energy

I do know these things. When are they planning on having them available for sale at Batteries Plus?

Westwall,
The Fuel Cell R&D developed by Honda and Toyota was and is heavily subsidized by the Japan Government.
About JHFC Project - JHFC Japan Hydrogen Fuel Cell Demonstration Project

Battery Tech is worth a good look at and all we are talking about is the ability to hold energy. To say that technology is dead is to discount a lot of alternatives which we haven't seen.

We are talking about R&D budgets and where they should go... A lot government investment goes into non market ready research which is then commercialized later on.

Yes, virtually all R&D budgets include a healthy dose of taxpayer monies. I would like to see that stop to be honest. So long as they can fall back on the taxpayer they can be wasteful. Wastefulness needs to brought under control. Failure must have consequences.

Westwall,

Taxpayers are paying for a lot of the Coal Pollution health costs and Taxpayers paid for the misadventure in Iraq to secure Middle East Oil reserves.
Japan paid for technology to not need either. So Fuel Cell technology is based on Japan's Taxpayer money.
It makes more sense to invest relatively pennies on the dollar to try stop paying these huge bills in future.
I could go through the extensive list of technology advancements made on tax payer grants which have benefited society as a whole. The Marketplace does not have all the answers just some of them.
If America stopped investing in new technologies they will cripple the US economy over time. The US has got where it got by being smart and investing in areas which normal companies could not take on the risk as they are too far from the market place to commercialise.

Coal pollution health costs are a political tool. The fact is, no one has ever determined what the real costs are, if any. We KNOW that coal miners suffer terribly. There is no doubt about that. The rest of the claims however don't hold up under investigation.

I am an isolationist when it comes to international affairs so I deplore the wastage of people, and resources fighting in the Middle East. It's a war that can't be won the way they are fighting it and the continuance merely enriches the already super rich.

The problem with taxpayer monies in R&D is it warps the Marketplace. Whenever you have the government giving half a billion dollars to a company who's technology has already been shown to be a loser you have a problem.

Taxpayer monies should only go to projects that have a significant potential benefit to society and they MUST be vetted by the best minds. The way that taxpayer monies are given out to political friends and allies is a crime.

 

[kaz]

You're welcome. Let me know when you have anything useful to say.

It's always useful when you back up your opinions with more opinions.

From you? Seriously? I ask you to back up your opinions all the time and you ignore it as well as any questions about them. A mirror would change your life.

 

[CowboyTed]

You can state it all you want but you're still wrong and stupid. All kinds of new battery innovations happening right now, including manufacturing batteries using entirely non strategic metals. Why don't you know these things? Is it ignorance or dishonesty?
Stanford and SLAC Join New Battery Research Partnership Precourt Institute for Energy

I do know these things. When are they planning on having them available for sale at Batteries Plus?

Westwall,
The Fuel Cell R&D developed by Honda and Toyota was and is heavily subsidized by the Japan Government.
About JHFC Project - JHFC Japan Hydrogen Fuel Cell Demonstration Project

Battery Tech is worth a good look at and all we are talking about is the ability to hold energy. To say that technology is dead is to discount a lot of alternatives which we haven't seen.

We are talking about R&D budgets and where they should go... A lot government investment goes into non market ready research which is then commercialized later on.

Yes, virtually all R&D budgets include a healthy dose of taxpayer monies. I would like to see that stop to be honest. So long as they can fall back on the taxpayer they can be wasteful. Wastefulness needs to brought under control. Failure must have consequences.

Westwall,

Taxpayers are paying for a lot of the Coal Pollution health costs and Taxpayers paid for the misadventure in Iraq to secure Middle East Oil reserves.
Japan paid for technology to not need either. So Fuel Cell technology is based on Japan's Taxpayer money.
It makes more sense to invest relatively pennies on the dollar to try stop paying these huge bills in future.
I could go through the extensive list of technology advancements made on tax payer grants which have benefited society as a whole. The Marketplace does not have all the answers just some of them.
If America stopped investing in new technologies they will cripple the US economy over time. The US has got where it got by being smart and investing in areas which normal companies could not take on the risk as they are too far from the market place to commercialise.

The US got where it is by government spending on technologies, not by industry investing in commercially viable technologies. And if government stopped taxing and funding on what politicians want, not what is economically viable, then that would cripple our economy.

Wow, all roads lead to Marxism, even when they don't. That's just sad. Government schools have failed you, badly, my friend.

How many private companies have gone to space?

7 great government-backed inventions - The Wii 1 - CNNMoney

The irony of what you are saying is that the Internet was invented with massive government support...

 

[westwall]

I do know these things. When are they planning on having them available for sale at Batteries Plus?

Westwall,
The Fuel Cell R&D developed by Honda and Toyota was and is heavily subsidized by the Japan Government.
About JHFC Project - JHFC Japan Hydrogen Fuel Cell Demonstration Project

Battery Tech is worth a good look at and all we are talking about is the ability to hold energy. To say that technology is dead is to discount a lot of alternatives which we haven't seen.

We are talking about R&D budgets and where they should go... A lot government investment goes into non market ready research which is then commercialized later on.

Yes, virtually all R&D budgets include a healthy dose of taxpayer monies. I would like to see that stop to be honest. So long as they can fall back on the taxpayer they can be wasteful. Wastefulness needs to brought under control. Failure must have consequences.

Westwall,

Taxpayers are paying for a lot of the Coal Pollution health costs and Taxpayers paid for the misadventure in Iraq to secure Middle East Oil reserves.
Japan paid for technology to not need either. So Fuel Cell technology is based on Japan's Taxpayer money.
It makes more sense to invest relatively pennies on the dollar to try stop paying these huge bills in future.
I could go through the extensive list of technology advancements made on tax payer grants which have benefited society as a whole. The Marketplace does not have all the answers just some of them.
If America stopped investing in new technologies they will cripple the US economy over time. The US has got where it got by being smart and investing in areas which normal companies could not take on the risk as they are too far from the market place to commercialise.

The US got where it is by government spending on technologies, not by industry investing in commercially viable technologies. And if government stopped taxing and funding on what politicians want, not what is economically viable, then that would cripple our economy.

Wow, all roads lead to Marxism, even when they don't. That's just sad. Government schools have failed you, badly, my friend.

How many private companies have gone to space?

7 great government-backed inventions - The Wii 1 - CNNMoney

The irony of what you are saying is that the Internet was invented with massive government support...

No, the internet was designed as a government/military communications net that would not fail in the event of a nuclear attack. One of the benefits of the end of the Cold War was the gifting of the internet to the people of the world. Then, PRIVATE companies, and most ironically of all it was the porn industry, that pushed through the most extensive advances in internet technology.

 

[Discombobulated]

You're welcome. Let me know when you have anything useful to say.

It's always useful when you back up your opinions with more opinions.

From you? Seriously? I ask you to back up your opinions all the time and you ignore it as well as any questions about them. A mirror would change your life.

Not on this thread you haven't.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There are no subsidies in the oil industry. That's just more media sensationalism.

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

 

[Jarlaxle]

The subsidy/incentive game is more or less the same as pork spending. We can get fairly broad consensus is should stop, but no one wants to let go of their favorite carve outs. (home mortgage deduction, for example).

Home mortgage deduction helps people to become home owners. Supported by the real estate industry also, of course.

Interest rates are so low now (I recall mine was 2.85%) that it's almost not worth itemizing mortgage deductions.

 

[kaz]

There are no subsidies in the oil industry. That's just more media sensationalism.

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

Yes. Liberals think when:

- Government writes checks of tax dollars to "green" companies

and

- Oil companies write off their expenses and as you and LordBrownTrout are saying all companies can do since taxes are charged on profits not revenue...

...that's the same thing, incredible, isn't it?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

There are no subsidies in the oil industry. That's just more media sensationalism.

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

That is correct.

 

[dblack]

There are no subsidies in the oil industry. That's just more media sensationalism.

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

That is correct.

Then why does it require special legislation?

 

[zeke]

There are no subsidies in the oil industry. That's just more media sensationalism.

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

That is correct.

Then why does it require special legislation?

It requires "special legislation" so the companies can put the fucks to the other Americans who have to pick up the slack for the companies who paid their politicians for a "special PIECE of legislation.

 

[dblack]

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

That is correct.

Then why does it require special legislation?

It requires "special legislation" so the companies can put the fucks to the other Americans who have to pick up the slack for the companies who paid their politicians for a "special PIECE of legislation.

Yeah. It's hard to miss that. You sorta have to be trying. If they were writing off losses "just like any other industry" they could just follow the same laws that "any other industry" follows. The depletion allowance is a geo-political move to bolster our oil industry for national security reasons. And to compensate for the fact that the oil industry faces the opposite situation in other nations, where they are singled out for higher taxation.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So, oil companies paying 11% is good for America?

Make them pay taxes and lower the middle classes, you will not even feel it at the pump.

I work in exploration and development petroleum. I look at P and L's and tax receipts all day long. There are no subsidies. We receive the same tax provisions that all companies are afforded in the US tax code laws. If I drill dry holes, nobody gives me any compensation for the money it cost to drill that dry hole.

Drilling/exploration costs are written off like any other business expense, correct?

That is correct.

Then why does it require special legislation?

It requires "special legislation" so the companies can put the fucks to the other Americans who have to pick up the slack for the companies who paid their politicians for a "special PIECE of legislation.

I'm not aware of any special legislation.