Electoral College Vote; Interesting Topic

[Cecilie1200]

has this ever happened?

I don't recall this in history class.

Yes. That's how Rutherford B. Hayes became President. And anyone who thinks there's a chance of the House deadlocking is delusional. The decision is all about SERIOUS deal-making behind the scenes. Hayes got the Presidency by agreeing to remove troops that were still occupying the South.

Interesting historical side note: Hayes' election is also the reason for the deadline laws in Florida that confused the left so much in 2000. It was very close, and the recounts went on and on. The outcome of the election was actually still in doubt right up until the night before the Inauguration. After that, Florida decided that Gore's disingenuous rallying cry of "every vote counts!" was less important than not having a vacant Presidency, and passed stringent laws about having the vote counts in by a deadline, or fuck off.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Correction: Hayes' election was decided by Congress, but required an Electoral Commission, rather than a House vote, because voter fraud in some states - including Florida - left the actual awarding of their Electoral votes in doubt.

 

[mvymvy]

Under National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the state counts and national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC would get the 270+ electoral votes from the enacting states. That majority of electoral votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC wins the presidency.

So, Texas with it's 38 votes would be awarded porportionately to the popular vote in Texas? Obama may get 19 and GOP-X would get 19?

States that enact the National Popular Vote, would award all their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

 

[candycorn]

So, Texas with it's 38 votes would be awarded porportionately to the popular vote in Texas? Obama may get 19 and GOP-X would get 19?

States that enact the National Popular Vote, would award all their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

So if 300 million people vote and 150,000,001 vote for Obama and 149,999,999 vote for GOP-X, Obama gets 538 electoral votes?

 

[Inthemiddle]

has this ever happened?

I don't recall this in history class.

President Hayes.

 

[Inthemiddle]

I missed 1 state, which I gave to the Dems, but it hardly matters...it came out 32 R - 17 D - 1 split evenly.

Currently, yes. But the part that makes all of that not actually matter is that it would be the NEXT Congress who would have to address the issue. Because the results of the electoral vote are not certified until after the next Congressional session starts.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Ahem. This vote is taken after the new members are seated. Biden would no longer be Vice president. Boehner would be the acting president until one is picked.

That's not entirely true. Biden would still be VP when the new Congressional session begins. Boehner may or may not even be the Speaker by that point.

 

[JoeB131]

has this ever happened?

I don't recall this in history class.

Yes. That's how Rutherford B. Hayes became President. And anyone who thinks there's a chance of the House deadlocking is delusional. The decision is all about SERIOUS deal-making behind the scenes. Hayes got the Presidency by agreeing to remove troops that were still occupying the South.

Interesting historical side note: Hayes' election is also the reason for the deadline laws in Florida that confused the left so much in 2000. It was very close, and the recounts went on and on. The outcome of the election was actually still in doubt right up until the night before the Inauguration. After that, Florida decided that Gore's disingenuous rallying cry of "every vote counts!" was less important than not having a vacant Presidency, and passed stringent laws about having the vote counts in by a deadline, or fuck off.

Hayes election was a corrupt bargain. Hayes agreed to end Reconstruction, Florida and other South Carolina pretended that Tilden hadn't won the vote in their states. As a result, we got another 100 years of Jim Crow and problems that haunt us to this very day.

 

[JoeB131]

Correction: Hayes' election was decided by Congress, but required an Electoral Commission, rather than a House vote, because voter fraud in some states - including Florida - left the actual awarding of their Electoral votes in doubt.

Actually, there was no doubt. Tilden won the popular vote, and he won the electoral vote, and the House cheated and gave votes to Hayes. The South went along with it because Hayes agreed to let them start abusing black people again.

It was an utterly shameful period in American history.

 

[Cecilie1200]

has this ever happened?

I don't recall this in history class.

Yes. That's how Rutherford B. Hayes became President. And anyone who thinks there's a chance of the House deadlocking is delusional. The decision is all about SERIOUS deal-making behind the scenes. Hayes got the Presidency by agreeing to remove troops that were still occupying the South.

Interesting historical side note: Hayes' election is also the reason for the deadline laws in Florida that confused the left so much in 2000. It was very close, and the recounts went on and on. The outcome of the election was actually still in doubt right up until the night before the Inauguration. After that, Florida decided that Gore's disingenuous rallying cry of "every vote counts!" was less important than not having a vacant Presidency, and passed stringent laws about having the vote counts in by a deadline, or fuck off.

Hayes election was a corrupt bargain. Hayes agreed to end Reconstruction, Florida and other South Carolina pretended that Tilden hadn't won the vote in their states. As a result, we got another 100 years of Jim Crow and problems that haunt us to this very day.

Did you just now twig to the fact that politics is all about making bargains?

Florida and South Carolina didn't "pretend" anything. No one knew who had won, because the voter fraud was so rampant on BOTH sides, and the counts were too close. And if you think electing Tilden would have made everything hunky-dory between the races, you're more ignorant and deluded than I thought you were, which is saying something.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Correction: Hayes' election was decided by Congress, but required an Electoral Commission, rather than a House vote, because voter fraud in some states - including Florida - left the actual awarding of their Electoral votes in doubt.

Actually, there was no doubt. Tilden won the popular vote, and he won the electoral vote, and the House cheated and gave votes to Hayes. The South went along with it because Hayes agreed to let them start abusing black people again.

It was an utterly shameful period in American history.

Actually, there was a LOT of doubt as to the vote counts in those particular states, and since our President was no more elected by the apocryphal "popular vote" back then than he is now, it was sort of important.

The House wouldn't have been able to "cheat" at all had there been "no doubt" as to who had won the vote in those states.

I just love people who want to barge into history and start imposing their personal, simplistic views onto how things were, as though they were actually there. Just how fucking partisan does a person have to be to champion the snow-white motivations and actions of the Democrats over a hundred years ago?

 

[JoeB131]

Did you just now twig to the fact that politics is all about making bargains?

Florida and South Carolina didn't "pretend" anything. No one knew who had won, because the voter fraud was so rampant on BOTH sides, and the counts were too close. And if you think electing Tilden would have made everything hunky-dory between the races, you're more ignorant and deluded than I thought you were, which is saying something.

Didn't say it would. Just saying that Hayes gave up on what the GOP fought for in the Civil War. It was a horrible precedent where the Federal Government gave up on civil rights for 100 years.

NOt saying Tilden would have been a better president than Hayes, but it's hard to imagine he would have been a worse one.

Tilden won the popular vote. That should have been the end of the discussion.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, there was a LOT of doubt as to the vote counts in those particular states, and since our President was no more elected by the apocryphal "popular vote" back then than he is now, it was sort of important.

The House wouldn't have been able to "cheat" at all had there been "no doubt" as to who had won the vote in those states.

I just love people who want to barge into history and start imposing their personal, simplistic views onto how things were, as though they were actually there. Just how fucking partisan does a person have to be to champion the snow-white motivations and actions of the Democrats over a hundred years ago?

Well, that's the problem of having a retarded system like the electoral college to start with, that it leads to situations like this or in 2000. It isn't a "partisan" issue. It's a pragmatic one.

So when Hispanics make Texas a Blue State and it become mathematically impossible for the GOP to ever put together enough votes to win the presidency, are you still going to be the big fan of the Electoral College?

 

[candycorn]

So, Texas with it's 38 votes would be awarded porportionately to the popular vote in Texas? Obama may get 19 and GOP-X would get 19?

States that enact the National Popular Vote, would award all their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

So if 300 million people vote and 150,000,001 vote for Obama and 149,999,999 vote for GOP-X, Obama gets 538 electoral votes?

Was I right about that?