Either Holder/Obama LIED Or Obama/Holder are incompetent!

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    Either way totally proves Obama's administration is harming America!

    Assume Holder KNEW about "Fast and Furious" then he has been lying!

    So Obama has hired an attorney general that has been lying to Obama and
    Holder must go and this will be a major issue on Obama's re-election!


    OR

    Assume Holder NEVER knew about "Fast and Furious..
    Then Holder is incompetent!
    Incompetency in several ways.
    a) His subordinates never reported to Holder.
    b) His subordinates knew it was a terrible project yet went ahead with it!


    NOW what was the prime motivation for "FAST & FURIOUS" that was rejected by the Bush administration when THEY saw the failures???

    The Prime motive was to prove Mexico was importing guns from the USA which would prove the need for GUN Control legislation!

    AND here is the proof from CBS News...


    Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

    Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    So not only did a ATF agent was killed WITH ATF guns BUT the whole point was a political agenda ..i.e. making the case for gun regulations!!!
     
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    Go read the other threads on this board that I've already killed your little fantasy on.
     
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    First what "fantasy" have you murdered???

    Second.. I am drawing a conclusion based on two observations..
    1) Lying by Holder to Obama and ultimately to Americans as to what Holder
    knew and when he knew it!!!

    2) Or Holder is incompetent i.e. he had NO idea as to "Fast and Furious"
    or Holder is incompetent by hiring incompetent people or immoral people that didn't care as to the legality of their actions.

    Either way i.e. Holder is a liar or is incompetent which reflects on Obama's integrity and or incompetence!

    That's all I'm showing and CBS proves it!!!
     
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    It's not either or, it's both.
     
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    Here is the ONLY thing that bothers me about this situation...

    Holder testified that the reason he was not aware of the details of the Fast and Furious operation was that as the AG he has many issues going on and he can not give great attention to everyone of them.

    And I respect that.

    But....

    If the selling arms to the enemy of an ally of ours who is a soveriegn nation and it included the trafficking of those arms over the border of this sovereign nation, and the government of the sovereign nation was not informed of this operation...is not one of the "issues" going on around hinm that he SHOULD be on top of...then what is an example of one he WAS on top of?

    I ask becuase I recall how he personally got involved AND TOOK OVER the case against the two New Black Panthers...which, most certainly could have been handled by subordinates.

    THAT is what I find concerning and why I dont believe him.

    This is an example of what is deemed as "not important enough for him to be completely aware of"?

    Then what the hell is?
     
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    Gun walking started under the Bush admin. Only Obama actually brought CONVICTIONS.

    OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER.

    Educate yourselves you ignorant morans.
     
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    The Mexican Governmentr was informed of and approved Operation Wide Receiver. And it was terminated while Bush was still president.

    The Mexican government was not informed about Fast and Furious. And yet Obama and Holder knew nothing about it...or so they say.

    Ecducate yourself you ignorant moran.
     
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    So that makes either the blatant lies about Fast and furious or the blatant lack of knowledge about it(incompetence) by Holder ok in your opinion?

    Geeze so if Bush did it that means its ok to you? Thats fucked up man.
     
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    Thats what makes me laugh at these yahoos...

    They complained about Bush for 8 years...

    But when Obama doies something similar...they say "Bush did it so whats the big deal"

    They called Bush a moron....a dolt.

    And now they are comparing the greatest president of all time to a moron,,,,a dolt.

    Its like my saying....you think your bicycle is fast? I bet I can go just as fast with my 8 cylinder, 4 barrel suped up GTO.
     
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    I was simply pointing out that either
    1) Holder is a liar and Obama is OK with that which makes me question
    Obama's integrity.
    OR
    2) Holder is incompetent and that makes Obama incompetent by Obama hiring an incompetent AG!

    I don't see how anything but a negative connotation can be made!

    Plus it is a given that Bush's "wide receiver" was NOT an attempt to use
    a phony pretense of "USA providing Mexico" arms as Obama's "Fast and furious" as CBS points out was the purpose!

    Remember at one time Obama claimed the USA supplied 90% of Mexico's arms!
    s we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).

    According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008.
    Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing.
    Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

    In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008
    [NOT 90%!!!]

    and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing.

    This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.

    Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth | STRATFOR
     
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