Egyptian Journalist Describes 'Absolute Prosperity' in Gaza

[P F Tinmore]

Cool, so, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, imam, president, prime-minister of that newly created "state of palestine"?

Here. Everything you never wanted to know about the conflict.

Cool, so, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, imam, president, prime-minister of that newly created "state of palestine"?

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The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

 

[docmauser1]

Here. Everything you never wanted to know about the conflict.

Cool, so, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, imam, president, prime-minister of that newly created "state of palestine"?

The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

Good, we knew all along the alleged "state of palestine" has, of course, never existed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Cool, so, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, imam, president, prime-minister of that newly created "state of palestine"?

The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

Good, we knew all along the alleged "state of palestine" has, of course, never existed.

For John Quigley Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[126] Noting that Palestine under the Mandate entered into bilateral treaties, including one with Great Britain, the Mandatory power, he cites this as an example of its "sovereignty" at that time. He also notes the corollary of the Stimson Doctrine and the customary prohibition on the use of force contained in the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United States, "[a]n entity does not necessarily cease to be a state even if all of its territory has been occupied by a foreign power".[86]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[daveman]

The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

Well, that's interesting. So they wanted a homeland of their own, and when it was given to them -- they didn't do anything with it.

Is that what you're saying?

A country without a government is not a country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

Well, that's interesting. So they wanted a homeland of their own, and when it was given to them -- they didn't do anything with it.

Is that what you're saying?

A country without a government is not a country.

Being occupied be a foreign power does not negate their rights.

 

[daveman]

The right of self determination gives people the right to set up a government. It is not required that they do so.

Well, that's interesting. So they wanted a homeland of their own, and when it was given to them -- they didn't do anything with it.

Is that what you're saying?

A country without a government is not a country.

Being occupied be a foreign power does not negate their rights.

If it meant anything to them, they would have done something about it.

But they didn't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, that's interesting. So they wanted a homeland of their own, and when it was given to them -- they didn't do anything with it.

Is that what you're saying?

A country without a government is not a country.

Being occupied be a foreign power does not negate their rights.

If it meant anything to them, they would have done something about it.

But they didn't.

What can unarmed civilians do when they are attacked by military forces and driven off their land?

It would seem that they did not have many options.

 

[daveman]

Being occupied be a foreign power does not negate their rights.

If it meant anything to them, they would have done something about it.

But they didn't.

What can unarmed civilians do when they are attacked by military forces and driven off their land?

It would seem that they did not have many options.

Oh, you mean the people who left voluntarily after being told by their Arab neighbors that they was gonna whup them some Jew ass?

Damn shame for them the Jews didn't cooperate. Oh, well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If it meant anything to them, they would have done something about it.

But they didn't.

What can unarmed civilians do when they are attacked by military forces and driven off their land?

It would seem that they did not have many options.

Oh, you mean the people who left voluntarily after being told by their Arab neighbors that they was gonna whup them some Jew ass?

Damn shame for them the Jews didn't cooperate. Oh, well.

Propaganda, not true.

 

[daveman]

What can unarmed civilians do when they are attacked by military forces and driven off their land?

It would seem that they did not have many options.

Oh, you mean the people who left voluntarily after being told by their Arab neighbors that they was gonna whup them some Jew ass?

Damn shame for them the Jews didn't cooperate. Oh, well.

Propaganda, not true.

Oh, it's quite true. The terrorist-loving horseshit you blindly swallow is the propaganda.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh, you mean the people who left voluntarily after being told by their Arab neighbors that they was gonna whup them some Jew ass?

Damn shame for them the Jews didn't cooperate. Oh, well.

Propaganda, not true.

Oh, it's quite true. The terrorist-loving horseshit you blindly swallow is the propaganda.

Actual studies show that only a few percent of the Palestinians were instructed to leave. Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled, and hundreds of neighborhoods and villages were destroyed, before the start of the 1948 war.

 

[daveman]

Propaganda, not true.

Oh, it's quite true. The terrorist-loving horseshit you blindly swallow is the propaganda.

Actual studies show that only a few percent of the Palestinians were instructed to leave. Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled, and hundreds of neighborhoods and villages were destroyed, before the start of the 1948 war.

Yeah. You should have put scare quotes around "actual".

 

[georgephillip]

Egyptian Journalist Describes 'Absolute Prosperity' in Gaza

With Hamas telling tales of deprivation and suffering in Gaza, Egyptian journalist Ashraf Abu al-Houl has added his report to others who were surprised to discover a “prosperous” Gaza in which prices are low and luxury businesses are booming. Al-Houl's story of his trip to Gaza and his realization that “in actual terms, Gaza is not under siege” was written up in the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).


"A sense of absolute prosperity prevails, as manifested by the grand resorts along and near Gaza's coast. Further, the site of the merchandise and luxuries filling the Gaza shops amazed me,” he reported.

Concerned that his initial impression of prosperity may have been misleading, “I toured the new resorts, most of which are quite grand, as well as the commercial markets, to verify my hypothesis. The resorts and markets have come to symbolize prosperity, and to prove that the siege is formal or political, not economic,” Al-Houl said.

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Most of the new resorts “are owned by members, or associates, of Hamas,” he reported. “In addition, the Hamas municipalities charge high fees, in Gaza terms, for the use of public beaches,” he added.

According to Chris Gunness, the spokesperson for the UN Relief and Works Agency "95% of all water in Gaza is undrinkable (and) 40% of all disease is water borne...45.2 percent of the labor force is unemployed, 80 percent aid dependency, a tripling of the abject poor since the start of (Israel's) blockade..."

Not sure about any Gazan unemployment benefits...

A possible solution?
Let's Ask Chomsky!

"In May, in a closed meeting of many of Israel's business leaders, Idan Ofer, a holding-company magnate, warned, 'We are quickly turning into South Africa. The economic blow of sanctions will be felt by every family in Israel.'

Perhaps when most Israeli families enjoy the "absolute prosperity" of Gaza, Israel won't be able to afford its illegal blockade.

In Israel, a Tsunami Warning | Truthout

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh, it's quite true. The terrorist-loving horseshit you blindly swallow is the propaganda.

Actual studies show that only a few percent of the Palestinians were instructed to leave. Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled, and hundreds of neighborhoods and villages were destroyed, before the start of the 1948 war.

Yeah. You should have put scare quotes around "actual".

The 1948 war was called the war that wasn't. Lebanon retrieved two villages that were occupied by Israel. That was about it for the northern front. Syria did virtually nothing. Jordan, Iraq troops were under Jordanian command, was commanded by British officers, Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if it did not attack Israel. It did not. Egypt managed to hold Gaza from Israeli attacks.

The war was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody won that war. Nobody lost that war. No land changed hands in that war.

 

[daveman]

Let's Ask Chomsky!

Let's don't. He's a lying piece of shit. No wonder you suck his ass.

 

[daveman]

Actual studies show that only a few percent of the Palestinians were instructed to leave. Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled, and hundreds of neighborhoods and villages were destroyed, before the start of the 1948 war.

Yeah. You should have put scare quotes around "actual".

The 1948 war was called the war that wasn't. Lebanon retrieved two villages that were occupied by Israel. That was about it for the northern front. Syria did virtually nothing. Jordan, Iraq troops were under Jordanian command, was commanded by British officers, Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if it did not attack Israel. It did not. Egypt managed to hold Gaza from Israeli attacks.

The war was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody won that war. Nobody lost that war. No land changed hands in that war.

Poor terrorists. All they want to do is kill Jews. Is that so bad?

Not according to fucking idiots like Tinhead.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yeah. You should have put scare quotes around "actual".

The 1948 war was called the war that wasn't. Lebanon retrieved two villages that were occupied by Israel. That was about it for the northern front. Syria did virtually nothing. Jordan, Iraq troops were under Jordanian command, was commanded by British officers, Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if it did not attack Israel. It did not. Egypt managed to hold Gaza from Israeli attacks.

The war was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody won that war. Nobody lost that war. No land changed hands in that war.

Poor terrorists. All they want to do is kill Jews. Is that so bad?

Not according to fucking idiots like Tinhead.

Standard Israeli propaganda states that the new state of Israel was attacked by five Arab countries and they lost. So Israel won land.

UN resolution 181 gave no land to Israel. Israel won no land in the 1948 war.

 

[georgephillip]

Let's Ask Chomsky!

Let's don't. He's a lying piece of shit. No wonder you suck his ass.

No problem.
Let's ask Ehud!

"In March, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned of the prospective U.N. action as a 'tsunami.' The fear is that the world will condemn Israel not only for violating international law but also for carrying out its criminal acts in an occupied state recognized by the U.N."

In Israel, a Tsunami Warning | Truthout

The Arab Spring has Sprung, Dung-tongue.

 

[Ropey]

George is chomping at the bit to read about deaths.

Any deaths though really.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Let's Ask Chomsky!

Let's don't. He's a lying piece of shit. No wonder you suck his ass.

No problem.
Let's ask Ehud!

"In March, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned of the prospective U.N. action as a 'tsunami.' The fear is that the world will condemn Israel not only for violating international law but also for carrying out its criminal acts in an occupied state recognized by the U.N."

In Israel, a Tsunami Warning | Truthout

The Arab Spring has Sprung, Dung-tongue.

In February 2006, the U.S. and Israel imposed a siege in Gaza after the "wrong side" – Hamas – won elections in Palestine, recognized as free and fair. The siege became much harsher in June 2007 after the failure of a U.S.-backed military coup to overthrow the elected government.

It is interesting that he would say that.

The liars tell us that it was Hamas that had the coup. How can they actually think that people would believe that a sitting, elected government would have a "coup" and "violently take over? Ah, but they do.

What else could they be lying about? That Abbas is the president of Palestine. Or that Fayyad is the prime minister. Or that Israel has the right to exist.