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[AllieBaba]

Make some predictions. Give me some examples of how he will let us down.

What do you think we are expecting that he will not deliver?

And will Obama care more or less than Bush/The GOP cared about us? It seems you've been defending Bush the last 8 years and telling us it isn't the government's role to give a shit about the people. So what is it that he will or won't do that will prove he doesn't care about us? Sending jobs overseas? Fixing healthcare? Lowering unemployment? Giving us tax breaks?

He won't fix healthcare, and unemployment will continue to skyrocket, as it does EVERY SINGLE TIME a liberal gets in the white house. You can't shut down industry and tax out big business and expect a thriving economy.

Bush gave us more tax breaks than anyone has ever given us, fucking moron. Obama's not giving anyone tax breaks. He'll be raising taxes. He's said it over and over and over, but you fucking liberal jihadists don't hear it..you hear what you want to hear which is that while he's raising taxes, he'll lower taxes a miniscule amount for a tiny part of the population who DOESN'T PAY TAXES AS IT IS. That is, the poor, single parent families.

 

[Agnapostate]

Babble, what is your basic objection to the progressive taxation system? Doesn't it honor a rather fundamental tenet of the economic system by acknowledging the diminishing rate of marginal utility?

 

[AllieBaba]

even still, do you have proof? they met that year in 1995....I certainly don't know WHEN they met and neither do you and it doesn't negate the FACT that the gathering was more to announce Alice Palmer's intent to run for US congress than it was to "introduce" Obama into politics but if it makes you feel better to think so....okay...

"In an interview during his failed congressional bid in 2000, Barack Obama cited a job at an organization founded by former Weathermen radical Bill Ayers as evidence of his qualification for public office.....
"I would argue, though, that my experience previous to elected office equips me for the job. You know, I have a background as an attorney. I've represented affordable housing organizations to build affordable housing, something that is a major issue in the district. I've chaired major philanthropic efforts in the city, like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge that gave $50 million to prop school reform efforts throughout the city....

"Obama's 2000 reference to his role on the CAC contrasts sharply with multiple interviews as a presidential candidate in which he has sought to downplay his relationship with Ayers.
In an interview broadcast on the Fox News Channel last week, for example, Obama characterized Ayers as "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."

While chairing the CAC, Obama approved grants to some controversial figures, including a group founded by Ayers and led by former communist leader Mike Klonsky, WND exposed yesterday.
"The "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund lists a $200 campaign contribution from Ayers April 2, 2001.

The two appeared together as speakers at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002 entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

Ayers wife, Bernadine Dohrn, also has served on panels with Obama. Dohrn, once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List, was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left four people dead.

Obama cited Ayers job as qualification to run

Yeah, they hardly know each other.

 

[Agnapostate]

And the Presidency was held by several slaveowners...So isn't the more critical issue the fact that OBAMA SUPPORTS SLAVERY!!!

 

[AllieBaba]

Babble, what is your basic objection to the progressive taxation system? Doesn't it honor a rather fundamental tenet of the economic system by acknowledging the diminishing rate of marginal utility?

It's income redistribution and therefore wrong.

 

[AllieBaba]

And the Presidency was held by several slaveowners...So isn't the more critical issue the fact that OBAMA SUPPORTS SLAVERY!!!

Which explains why you like him.
Though you'd probably be more into him if he supported the child slave trade....

 

[Silence]

"In an interview during his failed congressional bid in 2000, Barack Obama cited a job at an organization founded by former Weathermen radical Bill Ayers as evidence of his qualification for public office.....
"I would argue, though, that my experience previous to elected office equips me for the job. You know, I have a background as an attorney. I've represented affordable housing organizations to build affordable housing, something that is a major issue in the district. I've chaired major philanthropic efforts in the city, like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge that gave $50 million to prop school reform efforts throughout the city....

"Obama's 2000 reference to his role on the CAC contrasts sharply with multiple interviews as a presidential candidate in which he has sought to downplay his relationship with Ayers.
In an interview broadcast on the Fox News Channel last week, for example, Obama characterized Ayers as "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."

While chairing the CAC, Obama approved grants to some controversial figures, including a group founded by Ayers and led by former communist leader Mike Klonsky, WND exposed yesterday.
"The "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund lists a $200 campaign contribution from Ayers April 2, 2001.

The two appeared together as speakers at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002 entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

Ayers wife, Bernadine Dohrn, also has served on panels with Obama. Dohrn, once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List, was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left four people dead.

Obama cited Ayers job as qualification to run

Yeah, they hardly know each other.

Obama didn't get hired by Ayers...that's more right bullshit...he got hired by Annenberg and that happened in 1995 as well. Now do YOU know which happened first? the meeting held on behalf of ALICE PALMER or Obama beginnging work on the Annenberg Challenge? if you know FOR SURE which came first, site your evidence...as far as I can tell they both occurred in 1995 and I certainly have no way of knowing which came first and personally I don't see where it much matters and apparently neither did the voting public...

I do laugh though that you'll continue to harp on something that in the end doesn't really matter but you're more than willing to dismiss the notion that Sarah Palin seemingly has no problem with her daughter marrying into a family which has a drug dealer in it.... your values are to be commended Allie...for sure...

 

[Agnapostate]

It's income redistribution and therefore wrong.

It seems that a mere flat tax would be "income redistribution" in a sense in that very basic forms of taxation are necessary to promote collective services such as the police and *gasp* the military. So unless you care to define the Libertarian Party as "socialists" or "income redistributors" since they support flat and consumption taxes, you don't have much of a leg to stand on there.

And what is morally wrong about uneven income redistribution, for that matter. If we consider the diminishing rate of marginal utility, it would grant the poor something beneficial without forcing the wealthy to sacrifice anything of comparable moral significance. If you walked by a shallow pond in which a small child was drowning, would you choose to save the small child and therefore muddy your clothes, or would you choose to save your clothes?

Which explains why you like him.
Though you'd probably be more into him if he supported the child slave trade....

You live in a very twisted (and possibly drugged-up) world if I support Obama and the child slave trade.

 

[AllieBaba]

I've never heard Obama support a flat tax.

 

[Agnapostate]

I've never heard Obama support a flat tax.

Nor did I ever say he did.

This time, try reading the post.

 

[AllieBaba]

That would be a monumental waste of time. I've made that mistake in the past and I hardly ever hit myself over the head with a stick more than once.

 

[Agnapostate]

That would be a monumental waste of time. I've made that mistake in the past and I hardly ever hit myself over the head with a stick more than once.

Apparently, once was enough to do it, considering how badly damaged your mental faculties are, Babble.

And where are you now? Making yourself look idiotic after failing to consider the realities of "income redistribution," the diminishing rate of marginal utility, or the realities of utility maximization that come from the poor receiving the benefits of progressive taxation without forcing the rich to sacrifice anything of comparable moral significance.

 

[AllieBaba]

Good grief.
So name me a model where it's worked out famously.

 

[Agnapostate]

Good grief.
So name me a model where it's worked out famously.

Why? So you can pull something about the horrors of nationalized health care in France and Canada off the Heritage Foundation's website?

Before I discuss the specifics of the implementation of such a system in the United States, why don't you tell me what ideological principle you object to?

 

[AllieBaba]

THat was lame, even for you.

So you admit, there are no successful models of income redistribution.

Which of course, everyone knows anyway. Just wanted to see how you'd react...and you reacted predictably.

"I WOULD but it would just be wasted on you."

What a joke.

 

[sealybobo]

He won't fix healthcare, and unemployment will continue to skyrocket, as it does EVERY SINGLE TIME a liberal gets in the white house. You can't shut down industry and tax out big business and expect a thriving economy.

Bush gave us more tax breaks than anyone has ever given us, fucking moron. Obama's not giving anyone tax breaks. He'll be raising taxes. He's said it over and over and over, but you fucking liberal jihadists don't hear it..you hear what you want to hear which is that while he's raising taxes, he'll lower taxes a miniscule amount for a tiny part of the population who DOESN'T PAY TAXES AS IT IS. That is, the poor, single parent families.

1. Yes. If you are out of work, you pay much less in taxes. So yes, Bush gave us many tax breaks. I'd rather make $100K and pay 25% in taxes than to make $70K and only pay 20%. Thanks Bush. That's about the most simple way I can explain Bushanomics to you Allie. Not real numbers, but you get the point I hope.

2. Check out how many jobs Clinton created vs. Bush.

3. Who says we can't tax? Yes we can and Yes we will. And the people's company will start to have money again. I don't give a shit about any corporation other than the United States of America. That's my company. And it's finances aren't right, thanks to the GOP. Abramoff, Delay, Bush, etc. So fuck your corporations. You think they are so important to us? If they are, then we'll nationalize them if the corporations threaten to leave. And we'll tariff them if they try to sell their shit here. You house slaves can relax. Your massa's can pay a little in taxes. I know they told you they couldn't afford to feed you if we tax them, but they are just greedy liars.

4. How funny you just said Obama will lower taxes on people who don't pay any. That's what Bush did.

Leona Helmsley said: "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes ...", a saying that became notorious and identified with her for the rest of her life. She was later convicted of federal income tax evasion and other crimes in 1989 and served 19 months in prison (and two more months under house arrest), after receiving an initial sentence of 16 years.

Did you think she was kidding?

 

[Agnapostate]

THat was lame, even for you.

So you admit, there are no successful models of income redistribution.

Which of course, everyone knows anyway. Just wanted to see how you'd react...and you reacted predictably.

"I WOULD but it would just be wasted on you."

What a joke.

That's funny, considering that I never said that. If you wanted to look at a successful model of "income redistribution," I'd suggest having a look at the governments of essentially nation in the world, since taxation to promote collective benefits and social services is a rather fundamental tenet of political economy.

Enough with the red herrings; you're revealing your own ignorance of political economy.

Come to think of it, do you even know what the principle of the diminishing rate of marginal utility is?

 

[sealybobo]

THat was lame, even for you.

So you admit, there are no successful models of income redistribution.

Which of course, everyone knows anyway. Just wanted to see how you'd react...and you reacted predictably.

"I WOULD but it would just be wasted on you."

What a joke.

See Allie, you have to go all the way. Stop being a tease. Stop getting us so close to proving you are wrong and then go move on to another subject. LOL.

 

[AllieBaba]

1. Yes. If you are out of work, you pay much less in taxes. So yes, Bush gave us many tax breaks. I'd rather make $100K and pay 25% in taxes than to make $70K and only pay 20%. Thanks Bush. That's about the most simple way I can explain Bushanomics to you Allie. Not real numbers, but you get the point I hope.

2. Check out how many jobs Clinton created vs. Bush.

3. Who says we can't tax? Yes we can and Yes we will. And the people's company will start to have money again. I don't give a shit about any corporation other than the United States of America. That's my company. And it's finances aren't right, thanks to the GOP. Abramoff, Delay, Bush, etc. So fuck your corporations. You think they are so important to us? If they are, then we'll nationalize them if the corporations threaten to leave. And we'll tariff them if they try to sell their shit here. You house slaves can relax. Your massa's can pay a little in taxes. I know they told you they couldn't afford to feed you if we tax them, but they are just greedy liars.

4. How funny you just said Obama will lower taxes on people who don't pay any. That's what Bush did.

Leona Helmsley said: "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes ...", a saying that became notorious and identified with her for the rest of her life. She was later convicted of federal income tax evasion and other crimes in 1989 and served 19 months in prison (and two more months under house arrest), after receiving an initial sentence of 16 years.

Did you think she was kidding?

No, Bush gave huge tax breaks to single parent families, and poor families. Obama can't really give them much more of a break...yet that is what he claims he's going to do. It's just a ruse to get people to support increasing taxes on anyone who makes a living wage.

And I wasn't unemployed, idiot, when I got my tax break. I was working my ass off...and got much, much more back than I put in.

Bush is also responsible for bringing medical care to rural areas of the united states where we haven't had anything, ever. Bush obtained funding to put clinics in tiny areas (filled with the much-hated "rednecks" that you all are always making fun of) and at long last, people who live below the poverty level in areas far, far from the inner cities actually have access to dental and medical care that they have never had.

Give me an example of when uber-taxing has ever lead to a strengthening of the economy. Just one.

 

[sealybobo]

That's funny, considering that I never said that. If you wanted to look at a successful model of "income redistribution," I'd suggest having a look at the governments of essentially nation in the world, since taxation to promote collective benefits and social services is a rather fundamental tenet of political economy.

Enough with the red herrings; you're revealing your own ignorance of political economy.

Come to think of it, do you even know what the principle of the diminishing rate of marginal utility is?

I don't. But I like you.

Yes, make her understand that what she rails against is the way it is. The way it has to be. The way it should be.

They keep arguing for less government power, so corporations can have it? Fuck that!

They think that they'll never need any government services, but if the free market were to ever have it's way, it is quite possible then they would need some help, and then there wouldn't be any for them.

I don't think they think like that. They can't imagine the unimaginable.

Allie doesn't want to end political corruption. She just doesn't want any part of it. So its ok as long as only the rich benefit from it. If it's for projectors at her kids school, or something else that might benefit her community, she doesn't want that. She doesn't want any handouts.

No entitlements.