Dr. Spencer's View of the last 50 years

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    Yet the warming continues. And this is the guy whose figures you keep denying.
     
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    The warming according to whom? He points out minor variations and you folks interpret it as the end of the world. Normal reasonable people on the other hand see normal variation. The point that you continually choose to ignore old fraud is that at no time has a single one of your sides predictions come true. Not one...you've had 30 years of trying and to date your side has failed in every single prediction.

    I can go chapter and verse showing how the warmer "scientists" are violating every single experimental protocol to get their results and you ignore that very basic verifiable evidence because they reinforce your particular viewpoint.

    It doesn't matter any more. Fortunately the politicians are finally getting it. They have figured out that no matter how much money the warmist's give them it isn't enough to sell their souls (except for Kerry and Liebermann of course) to false god.

    You can delude yourself all you want but your side has lost the plot. Worldwide AGW proponents are in retreat and fighting a losing battle against the sceptics who now have all of the evidence we need to prosecute these turds. I would bet a good amount of cash that Tipper is leaving Al because she can see him losing his ass very soon and she doesn't want to lose hers with it.

    It's going to take at least another year, maybe two....but at the end of it all of the AGW people are going to be completely discredited and a good number will either be under indictment or in jail on plea bargains.
     
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    Here we go again. Ol' Walleyes is claiming that somehow all the scientists in the world are all violating every tenant of the Scientific Method. It is only the very few in denial that have not.

    Yet, somehow, these scientists that are doing such horrible science all get published in Peer Reviewed Journals around the world. So what you are claiming is that there is an international conspiracy.

    Got all your little tin hats on a shelf, ready to go?
     
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    I suggest you do a review of the most current literature old fraud. I am in the process of doing a little survey and will have some very interesting information to share so I suggest you get your thinking cap on because you are going to be very very busy trying to counter it all.
     
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    Very easy to do.

    ScienceDirect - Global and Planetary Change : Climate change and glacier retreat in northern Tien Shan (Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan) using remote sensing data

    Trend and correlation analysis for the period from 1879 to 2000 at 16 climate stations showed a temperature increase, which have become pronounced since the 1950s. Another strong increase occurred at the beginning of the 1970s and since around 1980, the temperatures have generally stayed at this high level. The trend coefficient was about 0.8 K/100a for the period 1900 to 2000 and about 2.0 K/100a on average for the second half of the last century. The increase was about two times higher than the global average in northern Tien Shan from 1950 until 2000, where the increase was mainly due to temperature rise in autumn and winter. The increase is less pronounced in the mountainous areas, but still obvious. However, the higher temperature increase at the lower stations, located for the most part in cities or larger settlements, may be due in part to increased urbanization. For precipitation, there was a small increase on average, but no clear trend.
     
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    Some good news, an actual negative feedback from melting Antarctic Ice. A small effect, to be sure, but at least one feedback that is not making the situation worse.

    Antarctica glacier retreat creates new carbon dioxide store; has beneficial impact on climate change

    Reporting recently in the journal Global Change Biology, scientists from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) estimate that this new natural 'sink' is taking an estimated 3.5 million tonnes* of carbon from the ocean and atmosphere each year.

    Lead author, Professor Lloyd Peck from BAS says, "Although this is a small amount of carbon compared to global emissions of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere it is nevertheless an important discovery. It shows nature's ability to thrive in the face of adversity. We need to factor this natural carbon-absorption into our calculations and models to predict future climate change. So far we don't know if we will see more events like this around the rest of Antarctica's coast but it's something we'll be keeping a close eye on."
     
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    Going to be very interesting to see what happens in the permafrost, particulary the kind called edoma, this summer.

    Table of contents : Nature

    The effect of permafrost thaw on old carbon release and net carbon exchange from tundra p556
    Permafrost thaw and microbial decomposition is considered one of the most likely positive climate feedbacks from terrestrial ecosystems to the atmosphere in a warmer world, but the rate of carbon release from permafrost soil remains highly uncertain. Here, net ecosystem carbon exchange is measured in a tundra landscape undergoing permafrost thaw to determine the influence of old carbon loss on ecosystem carbon balance. The results reveal significant losses of soil carbon over decadal time scales, overwhelming the increased carbon uptake from plants.

    Edward A. G. Schuur, Jason G. Vogel, Kathryn G. Crummer, Hanna Lee, James O. Sickman & T. E. Osterkamp
     
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    So why can't you repeat this "tiny increases in CO2 = big changes" effect in a laboratory?
     
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    No...It doesn't. It's following known cycles.
     

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