Does Trump FULLY realize that he's under criminal investigation?

[The Original Tree]

Internet Trolls Squash Debate. Whether they are paid to come here and disrupt the forum or they are idiots following an organized troll invasion unwittingly, Trolls are not good for any Social Media Site.

Failure to moderate and suppress Trolls and a failure of Moderators to clean Social Media Sites of them and keep their sites clean of them drive users away and turn sites in to cesspools devoid of debate and discussion.

They are a cancer which fools the host in to thinking it is experiencing growth at first but in reality it is a Tumor that will overtake the host and destroy it if it is not removed.

I have seen this happen before at two other sites. I have been blogging for more than a couple decades. It is more pervasive and prevalent now than it has ever been before.

Sharp Moderators are your only defense against professional orchestrated and organized trolls and the useful idiots that are their unwitting accomplices.

Millions are being spent on trolling operations by Leftist organizations with deep pockets, and a site that refuses to acknowledge this is a site that is at risk.

Clinton brought Trump's Presidency on herself by being a lying bitch and killing people in Benghazi and then sucking Putin's dick for $125 Million, selling our Uranium to them which was then sold to Iran, and then taking &100 Million from Saudi Arabia and then Bleach Bitting her Server, sharing classified information with unauthorized Assholes, and conspiring with The DNC to rig their own Phucking Primariy! And that's not Fake News.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/...kpile-of-enriched-uranium-to-russia.html?_r=0
Iran Hands Over Stockpile of Enriched Uranium to Russia
A Russian ship left Iran on Monday carrying almost all of Iran’s stockpile of low-enriched uranium, fulfilling a major step in the nuclear deal struck last summer and, for the first time in nearly a decade, apparently leaving Iran with too little fuel to manufacture a nuclear weapon.

Russia sold uranium ore to Iran (130 tons) which now that they're under international inspection, they can only enrich into reactor fuel, not nuclear weapons.

Does the lunatic left realize that this is a big witch hunt based on nothing by speculation and conjecture?

You cannot reason with people who are being paid to come to your forum and spam it all day long with Negative Messaging.

Tomorrow it will be other nonsensical baseless accusations.

This will go on for about 8 years unless the moderators do something about it.

These are not discussions. It is nothing but flaming, and troll baiting, and spamming the forum every single day.

Just ask them if they believe Clapper who was Obama's Chief of National Intelligence when he said there was NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION.

You will never get an answer from any of them. They are paid to troll, disrupt discussion and be entirely unreasonable and to ignore all rational arguments that refute their trolling posts.

meh, who cares.


With out that sort of thing, this place would become an echo chamber, and the place would become boring.


You should be more worried about the health of this site. In order for it to grow and thrive, it needs such interesting discussion in order to generate page views and generate revenue. Your first allegience, as a member, should be to the health of the forum, not necessarily in shutting down public debate.

Who cares if idiot posters don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. It is a useful sounding board for you to show the millennial generation and the igeneration what is really going on. By using such easily refuted propaganda and educating the public about the truth, you can show how such lousy idea can be easily shredded.

Do you think that will happen in the MSM after all?

 

[KeiserC]

rad. right, hold on there.

You are aware that O changed the laws, with hours left, to extend the NSA raw data from sect. 702 foreign / domestic "masked / unmasked" data to the other 16 agencies. This makes tracking down leaks arduous if not impossible.

 

[radical right]

Sun Devel, there is the documentation of the FISA requests and the mishandling of these. As to what gets brought to light will take some time. That is why it's absurd to gather that a "no information to confirm Trumps claims at this time" means squat.

There simply isn't information until it is all collated, tied in a bow and then presented..

Everybody who would have been involved in a wiretap testified they asked every division in the FBI, DOJ and NSA if they knew anything about a Trump Tower wiretap, and they all sid they could find no information to confirm it.

In this case, everybody who would have that information, said there was no such information to support Trumps tweet.

 

[KeiserC]

Obviously this law change makes O's FISA data mishandling a bitch to track down. 20 individuals responsible for the FISA raw data in NSA. Hundred or more in each of the other 16 agencies that, under the new laws, have to be investigated.

Changing the law back should be Trump's top priority...

 

[Lastamender]

The short answer is "NO" Trump does not fully understand this. Nor do many of his supporters.

Today we learned not only that Trump should openly apologize for his accusation against Obama on wiretapping...but ALSO that he is under investigation for more than NINE months......

Will Trump's tax returns be also subpoenaed???

Fuck Obama. and both campaigns are under investigation and have been. Try the truth once in a while.

 

[radical right]

rad. right, hold on there.

You are aware that O changed the laws, with hours left, to extend the NSA raw data from sect. 702 foreign / domestic "masked / unmasked" data to the other 16 agencies. This makes tracking down leaks arduous if not impossible.

Obama only formalized part of a ruling by the FISA court, which said that such intercepts could be retained for 5 years.

 

[radical right]

Obviously this law change makes O's FISA data mishandling a bitch to track down. 20 individuals responsible for the FISA raw data in NSA. Hundred or more in each of the other 16 agencies that, under the new laws, have to be investigated.

Changing the law back should be Trump's top priority...

The FISA court extended retention of that information for 5 years. Trump can't overturn the FISA court, without appealing it to the USSC.

 

[KeiserC]

Not true rad right, I'll go grab some data to post for ya...

 

[KeiserC]

Did Obama Expand the NSA's Power So Trump Couldn't Go Further?

Why Is Obama Expanding Surveillance Powers Right Before He Leaves Office?
It could be to prevent Trump from extending them even more.

The Obama administration made it easier for the NSA to share information with other intelligence agencies, just weeks before the inauguration.Jonathan Ernst / Reuters

• KAVEH WADDELL
  
• JAN 13, 2017
  

 

[KeiserC]

Rad right, I'm not taking issue with the 5 year retention part....

 

[radical right]

Not true rad right, I'll go grab some data to post for ya...

Spy Court Lifts Ban On NSA Holding Call Data Past 5 Years - Law360

 

[KeiserC]

Yup, I'm apprised on that, thanks. I thought we were talking about changing the laws regarding the 16 other agencies being privy to raw FISA, NSA data...

On Thursday, the Obama administration finalized new rules that allow the National Security Agency to share information it gleans from its vast international surveillance apparatus with the 16 other agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence community.

With the new changes, which were long in the works, those agencies can apply for access to various feeds of raw, undoctored NSA intelligence. Analysts will then be able to sift through the contents of those feeds as they see fit, before implementing required privacy protections. Previously, the NSA applied those privacy protections itself, before forwarding select pieces of information to agencies that might need to see them.

The updated procedures will multiply the number of intelligence analysts who have access to NSA surveillance, which is captured in large quantities and often isn’t subject to warrant requirements. The changes rankled privacy advocates, who oppose a broadening of surveillance powers—especially on the cusp of Donald Trump’s inauguration.

 

[radical right]

Rad right, I'm not taking issue with the 5 year retention part....

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...s-indefinite-retention-of-nsa-records-for-now

Secret Court Authorizes Indefinite Retention of NSA Records, for Now

Reggie Walton, the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, changed course Wednesday and ordered the National Security Agency to retain its vast cache of U.S. phone records longer than five years.

 

[Fiero425]

Sun Devel, there is the documentation of the FISA requests and the mishandling of these. As to what gets brought to light will take some time. That is why it's absurd to gather that a "no information to confirm Trumps claims at this time" means squat.

There simply isn't information until it is all collated, tied in a bow and then presented..

Everybody who would have been involved in a wiretap testified they asked every division in the FBI, DOJ and NSA if they knew anything about a Trump Tower wiretap, and they all sid they could find no information to confirm it.

In this case, everybody who would have that information, said there was no such information to support Trumps tweet.

They knew that before they went on this fishing expedition! This was Jason and the Argonauts looking for a GOLD FLEECE! Unfortunately only a HUGE LIE was confirmed; who didn't know already? Trump's the one that's going to be in trouble because he's the one in power! Obama's out of office and Hillary hasn't been in over 4 years! Some people are going to wish they had stay in NY! I believe more than a few will go down for all their ill gotten gains; including the idiot TRUMP kids who are just as culpable!

 

[bripat9643]

Now that Comey, the FBI, DOJ, NSA, GCHQ have all refuted wiretaping Trump Tower, where's the proof Obama wiretaped Trump Tower? Show right now or forget it....Jack weed

Oct FISA warant NSA 702 "unmasking" of Sec. Flynn

A wiretap of the Russians proves Trump tower was wiretaped? As they say, are you on drugs? It proves the russian ambassador was the subject, and the one being listened to. Unmasking Flynn proves he wasn't the subject.

You have no idea who was being wiretapped because that information has never been released. One thing we do know is that whoever leaked the information to the press broke the law and belongs in prison.

 

[Fiero425]

Now that Comey, the FBI, DOJ, NSA, GCHQ have all refuted wiretaping Trump Tower, where's the proof Obama wiretaped Trump Tower? Show right now or forget it....Jack weed

Oct FISA warant NSA 702 "unmasking" of Sec. Flynn

A wiretap of the Russians proves Trump tower was wiretaped? As they say, are you on drugs? It proves the russian ambassador was the subject, and the one being listened to. Unmasking Flynn proves he wasn't the subject.

You have no idea who was being wiretapped because that information has never been released. One thing we do know is that whoever leaked the information to the press broke the law and belongs in prison.

More deflection! Hard to believe Republicans will overlook/deny Russian intervention in our electoral process; who would have THUNK it?

 

[OKTexas]

Now that Comey, the FBI, DOJ, NSA, GCHQ have all refuted wiretaping Trump Tower, where's the proof Obama wiretaped Trump Tower? Show right now or forget it....Jack weed

Oct FISA warant NSA 702 "unmasking" of Sec. Flynn

A wiretap of the Russians proves Trump tower was wiretaped? As they say, are you on drugs? It proves the russian ambassador was the subject, and the one being listened to. Unmasking Flynn proves he wasn't the subject.

You have no idea who was being wiretapped because that information has never been released. One thing we do know is that whoever leaked the information to the press broke the law and belongs in prison.

More deflection! Hard to believe Republicans will overlook/deny Russian intervention in our electoral process; who would have THUNK it?

You act like this is the first time it's happened, note to the clueless, they've been doing it for decades. Because of the DNC vulnerable computers they were just a little more successful this time.

 

[MisterBeale]

And what law forbids that?

No law.........Here's what Trump tweeted (and let other with more brain cells judge)

I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!
5:31 AM - 11 Jan 2017

He is an international business man.

When ever the press says that Trump or folks in his administration had dealings, "with the Russians" they are being disingenuous, if not flat out liars.

His people are international business people, they deal with folks of all nationalities. I'm pretty sure they weren't dealing with the actual Russian government. The MSM would like Americans to believe that what we are talking about here, is the actual Russian government, not Russian banks and businesses.

So when we get conflicting statements from Trump and his organization from different media that he says on this day that yes, he deals with 'Russians' or that no, he has never spoken with 'the Russians' it is a very confusing mess of propaganda and spin by the MSM. It is a matter of semantics and a matter of what and whom we are talking about.

It is not a crime to conduct international business after all.

I'm sure he has dealt, very substantially, with Russian banks and businessmen. OTH, if he has stated that he hasn't had any quid pro quo from the Kremlin, that also is probably true as well.

 

[bripat9643]

Now that Comey, the FBI, DOJ, NSA, GCHQ have all refuted wiretaping Trump Tower, where's the proof Obama wiretaped Trump Tower? Show right now or forget it....Jack weed

Oct FISA warant NSA 702 "unmasking" of Sec. Flynn

A wiretap of the Russians proves Trump tower was wiretaped? As they say, are you on drugs? It proves the russian ambassador was the subject, and the one being listened to. Unmasking Flynn proves he wasn't the subject.

You have no idea who was being wiretapped because that information has never been released. One thing we do know is that whoever leaked the information to the press broke the law and belongs in prison.

More deflection! Hard to believe Republicans will overlook/deny Russian intervention in our electoral process; who would have THUNK it?

When you have some actual evidence, perhaps rational people will pay attention. Until then, only the kooks are bleating about it.

 

[Fiero425]

Now that Comey, the FBI, DOJ, NSA, GCHQ have all refuted wiretaping Trump Tower, where's the proof Obama wiretaped Trump Tower? Show right now or forget it....Jack weed

Oct FISA warant NSA 702 "unmasking" of Sec. Flynn

A wiretap of the Russians proves Trump tower was wiretaped? As they say, are you on drugs? It proves the russian ambassador was the subject, and the one being listened to. Unmasking Flynn proves he wasn't the subject.

You have no idea who was being wiretapped because that information has never been released. One thing we do know is that whoever leaked the information to the press broke the law and belongs in prison.

More deflection! Hard to believe Republicans will overlook/deny Russian intervention in our electoral process; who would have THUNK it?

When you have some actual evidence, perhaps rational people will pay attention. Until then, only the kooks are bleating about it.

Yeah, we have to wait for the evidence to be on display after the FBI finishes their investigation! Heaven knows it's been going on since last July so of course in your mind "they got nothing!" Keep dreamin'!