Does terrorism ever actually work?

[Pilot1]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

 

[Rigby5]

Does terrorism actually work? Of course it does.

Just look how a fictitious people called "Palestinian" who were only invented 50 years ago are now the recipient of more aid per capita than any other group in the world thanks to their relentless terrorism of Jews.

That is a lie.
First of all, the word Palestine was used to describe the region going back at least 4000 years, way before the Hebrew invasion.
Palestine referred mostly to the coastal area of the Land of Canaan, and mostly the Phoenicians and Philistines.
But current Palestine is 12 million Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Amorites, Urites, etc., who always lived there, never left, and are the only legal land owners.
Palestine was promised independence for their help against the Ottoman Empire, and their independence was made law in 1920, by the Treaty of Sevres.

The Israelis are illegally beyond the 1949 UNR 181 that established Israel, so deserve all the terrorism one can apply until they leave Jerusalem, the West Bank, and any other territory they now occupy illegally.
The Israeli occupation is just as bad as Hitler occupying France, and deserves the same resistance with violent force.

So, do tell me terrorist boy child -- if there were a "Palestinian" people before they were invented in the 20th century, who were their leaders through history?

Every village and town has leaders.
Since the Palestinians have dozens of cultural groups, each with their own leaders, there are thousands of them.
But there are Malmoud Abbas, Marwan Barghouti, Khalil Al-Wazir, Hanna Ashrawi, Ahmed Yassin, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, and thousands more.
Remember that even while occupied by the Ottoman Empire or the British, there was mostly local leaders who ran the country of Palestine.
The fact we do not bother learning their history does not mean they did not exist.
It is Israel that essentially has no history at all, and never really existed.

 

[MAGAman]

Have you ever read the "Satanic Verses" by Salmon Rushdie?
It is made up dialog where Rushdie pretends Mohammad is a sexually obsessed pedophile.
How would you react if someone wrote a book like that about Jesus or Abraham Lincoln?

People who write material intended to incite violence and murder against innocent people, should be arrested or killed.

The Democrat Party just voted to stop innocent born children from being protected. That is much more Anti-Christian than some dopey fiction book.

Did Christan leaders call for their deaths? No.

Books don't make peace-loving people into murderers, and burning books doesn't make people better.

 

[Crixus]

I'm sitting here thinking about it, and I'm wondering, has terrorism ever actually achieved the desired effect that the terrorist intended?

Instead of causing fear, Islamic terrorist attacks usually cause people to band together like 9/11. They actually create courage, not fear. Yes, there will be more security than before, but people are still going to visit the Christmas markets in Berlin. That won't change.

Now let's look at this new guy. Does he really think Muslims are going to stop moving around the world because of his actions? It will ultimately be pointless because, in my opinion, TERRORISM IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Why people keep trying to make it work, I can't understand. Maybe it is just a narcissism thing.

Yes terrorist action works. Look what 9/11 got us. We got TSA, an agency with a 99% fail rate in stopping any terror related act. We got ICE, an agency who isn’t allowed to do their job, and we got NSA scooping up and collecting every email, text and phone call you make. Yup, terrorism works fine.

 

[boedicca]

I'm sitting here thinking about it, and I'm wondering, has terrorism ever actually achieved the desired effect that the terrorist intended?

Instead of causing fear, Islamic terrorist attacks usually cause people to band together like 9/11. They actually create courage, not fear. Yes, there will be more security than before, but people are still going to visit the Christmas markets in Berlin. That won't change.

Now let's look at this new guy. Does he really think Muslims are going to stop moving around the world because of his actions? It will ultimately be pointless because, in my opinion, TERRORISM IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Why people keep trying to make it work, I can't understand. Maybe it is just a narcissism thing.

Really? Look at the internal dysfunction in the U.S. and Europe. We're supposed to comply with Sharia while Christians are censored. This is the goal of the terrorism - to have us tear ourselves apart.

 

[Rigby5]

The media can turn a murderous act by a maniac into the perception of terrorism and the media can likewise turn a genuine terrorist into something that resembles a folk hero. Case in point Bill Ayers who terrorized Americans for nearly a decade while his gang bombed corporate headquarters and recruiting stations. The last bomb they made was intended for a Ft. Dix dance but went off prematurely and resulted in the deaths of four gang members. That made Ayers guilty of four felony murders as well as federal charges as long as your arm but he found a friendly judge who blamed the FBI for "illegal surveillance" and he never did a day in jail. To add insult to injury he is a mover and shaker in democrat politics and a friend of the former president.

But Bill Ayers was created by the ILLEGAL US take over of Vietnam, when we backed Diem's military coup, ousting Bao Dai, the legal leader with negotiated and agreed upon UN, French, and Vietnamese backing.
If we had not committed those crimes, Vietnam would have just had a national election and no fighting.
Over 3 million illegal deaths caused by the US, would have been avoided.

Seems to me, Ayers then is a hero.
Why would anyone claim differently?

 

[Rigby5]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

 

[Rigby5]

Liberals are a lot more respectful to Muslims since 9/11, it's like the worse Muslims behave, the more liberals want to be their friends.

While they are claiming that others are fearful, it's themselves, as usual, who are actually the fearful. Muslim terrorism has got them by the balls, shivering in fear to criticize Islam.

Take Charlie Hebdo for instance.

I think it all started with The Satanic Verses. The author had a Fatwah placed on him.

Have you ever read the "Satanic Verses" by Salmon Rushdie?
It is made up dialog where Rushdie pretends Mohammad is a sexually obsessed pedophile.
How would you react if someone wrote a book like that about Jesus or Abraham Lincoln?

People who write material intended to incite violence and murder against innocent people, should be arrested or killed.

No analogy. Sorry; no can do.

Jesus is often sent up. Usually by British satirists.

In the US, even a respectful movie like "The Last Temptation of Christ" got pickets and violence.
The Last Temptation of Christ (film) - Wikipedia

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Does terrorism actually work? Of course it does.

Just look how a fictitious people called "Palestinian" who were only invented 50 years ago are now the recipient of more aid per capita than any other group in the world thanks to their relentless terrorism of Jews.

That is a lie.
First of all, the word Palestine was used to describe the region going back at least 4000 years, way before the Hebrew invasion.
Palestine referred mostly to the coastal area of the Land of Canaan, and mostly the Phoenicians and Philistines.
But current Palestine is 12 million Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Amorites, Urites, etc., who always lived there, never left, and are the only legal land owners.
Palestine was promised independence for their help against the Ottoman Empire, and their independence was made law in 1920, by the Treaty of Sevres.

The Israelis are illegally beyond the 1949 UNR 181 that established Israel, so deserve all the terrorism one can apply until they leave Jerusalem, the West Bank, and any other territory they now occupy illegally.
The Israeli occupation is just as bad as Hitler occupying France, and deserves the same resistance with violent force.

So, do tell me terrorist boy child -- if there were a "Palestinian" people before they were invented in the 20th century, who were their leaders through history?

Every village and town has leaders.
Since the Palestinians have dozens of cultural groups, each with their own leaders, there are thousands of them.
But there are Malmoud Abbas, Marwan Barghouti, Khalil Al-Wazir, Hanna Ashrawi, Ahmed Yassin, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, and thousands more.
Remember that even while occupied by the Ottoman Empire or the British, there was mostly local leaders who ran the country of Palestine.
The fact we do not bother learning their history does not mean they did not exist.
It is Israel that essentially has no history at all, and never really existed.

The oldest of the creatures you mention is the Nazi al Husseini, and it never referred to itself as anything but Arab. It's nephew that called itself Yasser Arafat and who began this nonsense was born in Egypt .

Are you an Arab Muslim who is a product of many generations of severe inbreeding or just a particularly idiotic useful idiot?

You support killing Jews, so one has to wonder.

 

[Pilot1]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

 

[Issa]

Terrorists create the fear.

Then the so-called "moderate" Muslims show up and say, hey, we can be reasonable. Let's talk. Let's cut a deal.

People are so grateful to meet "moderate" Muslims, they don't notice that these guys are radical Jew-hating extremist assholes who beat their wives with a stick no thicker than their thumb.

I lived ina Muslim country for 23 years I have never seen a man beating his wife with a stick...that's like saying all white males are child molesters, or all Americans are dumb.

I live in Germany and see Turks treat their women like dogs. Once they are broken in and well trained, no stick required.

I live in the US and I see how trump who inspires millions treated his wives, and how he is proud to grab any pussy he wants.
I also see on daily news how wives are shot and killed with their kids...I also see how little kids get kidnapped. Does that make all white males, wife killers pedophiles and pussy grabbers ? No...but if we follow your logic then yes.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

Islamist terrorists and their supporters are fighting to PREVENT freedom.

They seek to fulfill the central mission of Islam, namely, to wage war until the entire world submits to their sick ideology.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm sitting here thinking about it, and I'm wondering, has terrorism ever actually achieved the desired effect that the terrorist intended?

Instead of causing fear, Islamic terrorist attacks usually cause people to band together like 9/11. They actually create courage, not fear. Yes, there will be more security than before, but people are still going to visit the Christmas markets in Berlin. That won't change.

Now let's look at this new guy. Does he really think Muslims are going to stop moving around the world because of his actions? It will ultimately be pointless because, in my opinion, TERRORISM IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Why people keep trying to make it work, I can't understand. Maybe it is just a narcissism thing.

It's Not Logical to Confuse Method With Cause

It freed Ireland after 800 years of cowardice and military incompetence. Check out the Julia Roberts movie Michael Collins.

9/ll was not a wake-up call; it was a snooze alarm. No draft, no war tax, lucrative but totally misplaced nation-building, attacks on the wrong countries and the wrong people in the right country.

Big Oil protection of Saudi Arabia, rah-rah loudmouths cheering our incompetent and unfocused leaders on, the indelible stain of Right Wingers having skipped out of service in the war against the Communists, fake anti-war Left snobs whose opposition was actually motivated by their plutocratic Daddies' fear and contempt for the working-class troops. The crimes of our ruling class are only exceded by the crime of letting the unAmerican custom of hereditary power exist at all. We outnumber those proven cowards by thousands to one, yet we meekly let them run us into the ground.

 

[Rigby5]

Does terrorism actually work? Of course it does.

Just look how a fictitious people called "Palestinian" who were only invented 50 years ago are now the recipient of more aid per capita than any other group in the world thanks to their relentless terrorism of Jews.

That is a lie.
First of all, the word Palestine was used to describe the region going back at least 4000 years, way before the Hebrew invasion.
Palestine referred mostly to the coastal area of the Land of Canaan, and mostly the Phoenicians and Philistines.
But current Palestine is 12 million Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Amorites, Urites, etc., who always lived there, never left, and are the only legal land owners.
Palestine was promised independence for their help against the Ottoman Empire, and their independence was made law in 1920, by the Treaty of Sevres.

The Israelis are illegally beyond the 1949 UNR 181 that established Israel, so deserve all the terrorism one can apply until they leave Jerusalem, the West Bank, and any other territory they now occupy illegally.
The Israeli occupation is just as bad as Hitler occupying France, and deserves the same resistance with violent force.

So, do tell me terrorist boy child -- if there were a "Palestinian" people before they were invented in the 20th century, who were their leaders through history?

Every village and town has leaders.
Since the Palestinians have dozens of cultural groups, each with their own leaders, there are thousands of them.
But there are Malmoud Abbas, Marwan Barghouti, Khalil Al-Wazir, Hanna Ashrawi, Ahmed Yassin, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, and thousands more.
Remember that even while occupied by the Ottoman Empire or the British, there was mostly local leaders who ran the country of Palestine.
The fact we do not bother learning their history does not mean they did not exist.
It is Israel that essentially has no history at all, and never really existed.

The oldest of the creatures you mention is the Nazi al Husseini, and it never referred to itself as anything but Arab. It's nephew that called itself Yasser Arafat and who began this nonsense was born in Egypt .

Are you an Arab Muslim who is a product of many generations of severe inbreeding or just a particularly idiotic useful idiot?

You support killing Jews, so one has to wonder.

That is silly.
Of course one refers to their genetic background and not the nation they currently live in.
For example, I am a Dutch/Austrian Jew, and the fact I am a US citizen means nothing.

When Lawrence of Arabia was recruiting Mideast forces to fight the Ottoman Empire in Egypt and Palestine, there were no Jewish volunteers. That is because there were hardly and Jews living there then. Almost all the Jews are immigrants from after 1950.
They have no right to any sovereignty or land ownership, because they are not native and never purchased any land.

Jews do not support Israel.
Only Zionists support Israel, and Zionists are not Jews.

 

[Rigby5]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

Yes Islamic fighters are trying to be free of US imperialism and colonialism.
Otherwise they would not care about the US at all.
They commit terrorists act to punish the US, but because the US started the terrorism and the Islamists are just trying to get the US to stop.

All societies have government, but if the government is not corrupt and defends individual rights, then the people are totally free.
That is because freedom is defined as having your rights defended, not just being able to do whatever you want.
And the US is a long way from defending rights.
If the US did defend rights, then there would be no one imprisoned in the US for drug use, there would be no torture at Guantanamo, there would be no US use of military force, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

Islamist terrorists and their supporters are fighting to PREVENT freedom.

They seek to fulfill the central mission of Islam, namely, to wage war until the entire world submits to their sick ideology.

Nonsense.
We illegally invaded or cause regime change by force in the Mideast because we want to steal resources like oil.
No Islamic country is invading anyone.
So we are the ONLY bad guys.
Between Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Egypt, we murdered more than a million innocent people, who never did anything to anyone.

A central mission of Islam is to do no harm to anyone, if possible.

 

[Pilot1]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Not advocating war crimes but so did the Russians, Japanese, and U.S. committed atrocities. War is Hell.

The 88MM gun was also used in the Tiger and Panther tanks and probably others.

The war crimes that Russia, Germany, and Japan committed were orders of magnitude worse than the US or the Brits (unless you count the area bombing of cities, then it was one or two orders of magnitude worse).

Got a ref for the numbers?
Includes 1000000 Iraqi civilians?

That number has been proven over and over to be nothing but a LIE.

As the old Brit joke goes "if you are not smart enough to get a real job, join the military. Great socialist benefits"

Actually the military model is communism: central planning from the top down, everyone provided everything they need, everyone contributes to the best of their ability. And it has worked for millenia.

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

Islamist terrorists and their supporters are fighting to PREVENT freedom.

They seek to fulfill the central mission of Islam, namely, to wage war until the entire world submits to their sick ideology.

Nonsense.
We illegally invaded or cause regime change by force in the Mideast because we want to steal resources like oil.
No Islamic country is invading anyone.
So we are the ONLY bad guys.
Between Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Egypt, we murdered more than a million innocent people, who never did anything to anyone.

A central mission of Islam is to do no harm to anyone, if possible.

You're delusional. The U.S. is the number one producer of oil in the world and a net exporter of energy. We don't need Mideast oil, and we didn't steal Iraq's when we had the chance. More ignorant America hate.

 

[AntonToo]

I'm sitting here thinking about it, and I'm wondering, has terrorism ever actually achieved the desired effect that the terrorist intended?

Instead of causing fear, Islamic terrorist attacks usually cause people to band together like 9/11. They actually create courage, not fear. Yes, there will be more security than before, but people are still going to visit the Christmas markets in Berlin. That won't change.

Now let's look at this new guy. Does he really think Muslims are going to stop moving around the world because of his actions? It will ultimately be pointless because, in my opinion, TERRORISM IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Why people keep trying to make it work, I can't understand. Maybe it is just a narcissism thing.

Of course it has - suicide in this manner has never been more infamous.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Does terrorism actually work? Of course it does.

Just look how a fictitious people called "Palestinian" who were only invented 50 years ago are now the recipient of more aid per capita than any other group in the world thanks to their relentless terrorism of Jews.

That is a lie.
First of all, the word Palestine was used to describe the region going back at least 4000 years, way before the Hebrew invasion.
Palestine referred mostly to the coastal area of the Land of Canaan, and mostly the Phoenicians and Philistines.
But current Palestine is 12 million Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Amorites, Urites, etc., who always lived there, never left, and are the only legal land owners.
Palestine was promised independence for their help against the Ottoman Empire, and their independence was made law in 1920, by the Treaty of Sevres.

The Israelis are illegally beyond the 1949 UNR 181 that established Israel, so deserve all the terrorism one can apply until they leave Jerusalem, the West Bank, and any other territory they now occupy illegally.
The Israeli occupation is just as bad as Hitler occupying France, and deserves the same resistance with violent force.

So, do tell me terrorist boy child -- if there were a "Palestinian" people before they were invented in the 20th century, who were their leaders through history?

Every village and town has leaders.
Since the Palestinians have dozens of cultural groups, each with their own leaders, there are thousands of them.
But there are Malmoud Abbas, Marwan Barghouti, Khalil Al-Wazir, Hanna Ashrawi, Ahmed Yassin, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, and thousands more.
Remember that even while occupied by the Ottoman Empire or the British, there was mostly local leaders who ran the country of Palestine.
The fact we do not bother learning their history does not mean they did not exist.
It is Israel that essentially has no history at all, and never really existed.

The oldest of the creatures you mention is the Nazi al Husseini, and it never referred to itself as anything but Arab. It's nephew that called itself Yasser Arafat and who began this nonsense was born in Egypt .

Are you an Arab Muslim who is a product of many generations of severe inbreeding or just a particularly idiotic useful idiot?

You support killing Jews, so one has to wonder.

That is silly.
Of course one refers to their genetic background and not the nation they currently live in.
For example, I am a Dutch/Austrian Jew, and the fact I am a US citizen means nothing.

When Lawrence of Arabia was recruiting Mideast forces to fight the Ottoman Empire in Egypt and Palestine, there were no Jewish volunteers. That is because there were hardly and Jews living there then. Almost all the Jews are immigrants from after 1950.
They have no right to any sovereignty or land ownership, because they are not native and never purchased any land.

Jews do not support Israel.
Only Zionists support Israel, and Zionists are not Jews.

I'm sure you are about as much Jewish as I am Martian.

 

[Rigby5]

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

The war crimes that Russia, Germany, and Japan committed were orders of magnitude worse than the US or the Brits (unless you count the area bombing of cities, then it was one or two orders of magnitude worse).

Got a ref for the numbers?
Includes 1000000 Iraqi civilians?

That number has been proven over and over to be nothing but a LIE.

As the old Brit joke goes "if you are not smart enough to get a real job, join the military. Great socialist benefits"

Actually the military model is communism: central planning from the top down, everyone provided everything they need, everyone contributes to the best of their ability. And it has worked for millenia.

He's the male Cortez. That's all you need to know.

AOC's a socialist. All we know about Beto is that he was born in the US (probably) and he lives in Texas.

Yes, terrorism works. It always succeeds in causing government to grow, and allow politicians to have an excuse to trample our rights. The Patriot Act, and the Department of Homeland Security are two huge examples supported by BOTH PARTIES.

How has that benefited terrorist organizations?

The goal of terrorists is to force relatively FREE societies to change their lifestyles in order to promote "safety and security". They have succeeded in doing that.

No, freedom fighters are terrorists as well.
You can invoke terror for good or bad equally.
It is a tactic, not a motivation.

Agree to a point. Islamic terrorists are NOT fighting for "freedom". The commit acts of terrorism to punish western countries with whom they disagree. They use terrorism to make us change our lifestyle.

But the US has never been a FREE society.
The first 70 years we had slavery.
Then we switched to imperialism and colonialism, invading tribal lands, Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc.
With WWI, we expanded to global domination.

Any society that has a government is never totally "FREE". That would be anarchy. Your view of America is somewhat warped. Why do you choose to live in such a corrupt, malignant country?

Islamist terrorists and their supporters are fighting to PREVENT freedom.

They seek to fulfill the central mission of Islam, namely, to wage war until the entire world submits to their sick ideology.

Nonsense.
We illegally invaded or cause regime change by force in the Mideast because we want to steal resources like oil.
No Islamic country is invading anyone.
So we are the ONLY bad guys.
Between Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Egypt, we murdered more than a million innocent people, who never did anything to anyone.

A central mission of Islam is to do no harm to anyone, if possible.

You're delusional. The U.S. is the number one producer of oil in the world and a net exporter of energy. We don't need Mideast oil, and we didn't steal Iraq's when we had the chance. More ignorant America hate.

The US is not a significant producer of oil.

Here is a pie chart of the top oil producers, and the US is not even on it.
We have increased production to the point we no longer import much, that is temporary, and we will totally run out of oil very soon, like 10 years or so. In contract, countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq each have over 10 times the amount of oil reserves.

And you are wrong. We did steal Iraq's oil, and illegally forced Iraq to let us middle off of Iraqis oil while we occupied the country.