Does Pornography Harm Children Who View It?

[ChrisL]

WTF???!!! He's "concerned" about the well-being and safety of children, so he wants to introduce them to sex! Any normal adult is going to question his motives.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Apropo since I have 3 on ignore

 

[ChrisL]

Apropo since I have 3 on ignore

As if your weirdness towards children will be missed? Just do NOT do any of things that you have suggested in your threads. IF you do, hopefully you will be prosecuted to the FULLEST extent.

 

[flacaltenn]

Pleasure cures violence. How societies regard pleasure including, but not limited to porn effects how violent they are. More a society represses opportunities for pleasure, more violent it is. This is what's been studied for decades and is irerefutable. So what needs to be studied now, and is being studied, is are there more negative effects on kids seeing porn than positive?

The internet has made a lot of prior research invalid back prior to internet porn availability. Now anyone with a smartphone, home pc can view porn if they choose. Do we need better laws controlling access to porn because it's harmful? Or not, because it isn't? And if we're combatting violence in society, is encouraging sexuality more advantageous than suppressing or postponing embracing it. These are what we need to find out.

Can't use 1950s era thinking for modern laws and expect good results. Can't put everything away in father's closet and hope for the best with kids growing up in the data age. And assuming children today with access to technology are as naive' and innocent as they used to be has already been disproven in other studies. As I linked to somewhere in this or another thread. Was an Australian study as I recall.

Pleasure cures violence. How societies regard pleasure including, but not limited to porn effects how violent they are. More a society represses opportunities for pleasure, more violent it is. This is what's been studied for decades and is irerefutable. So what needs to be studied now, and is being studied, is are there more negative effects on kids seeing porn than positive?

The internet has made a lot of prior research invalid back prior to internet porn availability. Now anyone with a smartphone, home pc can view porn if they choose. Do we need better laws controlling access to porn because it's harmful? Or not, because it isn't? And if we're combatting violence in society, is encouraging sexuality more advantageous than suppressing or postponing embracing it. These are what we need to find out.

Can't use 1950s era thinking for modern laws and expect good results. Can't put everything away in father's closet and hope for the best with kids growing up in the data age. And assuming children today with access to technology are as naive' and innocent as they used to be has already been disproven in other studies. As I linked to somewhere in this or another thread. Was an Australian study as I recall.

Well, if you were to be honest, it would seem that most people tend to be violent AFTER they were exposed to sexual situations that they were not prepared for as children.

Also, if you look at ages of children where violence seems most prevalence (teen years), that would also indicate that they had already been exposed to sexual situations. I think that tells you all you need to know.

The Columbine shooters were both virgins. ISIS/Muslim terrorists are often virgins or otherwise dissatisfied sexually. Hence the allure of 72 virgins in the afterlife. Premise that violent acts are perpetuated by sexual abuse victims isn't borne out by statistical analysis.

What is borne out though is that absent neural connections being made in the brain early on from positive affection of parents, children's development suffers a kind of stunting or retarding of such connections. To put it another way, if you grew up absent hugs and other parental affection you tend to seek such fulfillment other ways like being sexually aggressive or controlling.

Learning is another way of describing how our brain makes connections when we do things. If you experience pleasure, your brain makes connections so you can remember how good things felt. And why you seek them out the rest of your life. Absent this memory, you seek fulfillment is less desireable ways. Repressing sex or other intimacies never has positive results. Hate to beat a dead horse, but look at what happens when clergy who're supposed to be celibate break that vow. Celibacy isn't natural, we're all sexually reproducing animals. Trying to overcome that evolutionary imperative to reproduce never ends well.

I was surprised that you interest is actually motivated NOT by helping parents to understand the risks -- but that you actually believe that children should be activated sexually at young ages "to prevent violence". A premise that certainly needs to be questioned since I know of no recommendations from health professionals that say "expose your children to porn to inoculate them from violent tendencies"..

THEN -- your reasoning comes into question when you bring up the Columbine culprits. Apparently there ---- exposing them to porn would not have been ENOUGH to inoculate them from violence because you reason that they were virgins. Implying that mere exposure to porn is inadequate in that they have to COPULATE to be inoculated. That's a whole horse of a different color.. Because they must hook-up and consumate sex to not "be virgins"..

There MAY BE something here to discuss in terms of dangers/benefits of sexualizing children at young ages, but your reasoning and excess zeal really sucks..

Once again, you're inserting your own hangups into a discussion. I'm not proposing 'activating children sexually' that's all you.

Oh but you are.. You're theory is that activating sexuality in younger children inoculates them against violence. As I said -- you PRETEND that this is accomplished thru exposure to porn (whatever the hell that is) -- but you specifically BELIEVE that losing their virginity is also a requirement beyond the exposure to media instances of porn -- as when you mentioned Columbine. Couldn't be clearer about encouraging and activating sexuality in minors..

 

[koshergrl]

Why the fuck is this nightmare thread still rolling?

There's something seriously wrong with this site.

 

[flacaltenn]

Anyone who cares about children would be concerned. It is disturbing and concerning that there are people out there who want to do this.

I care about people in general not differentiating or breaking it up into children or adults. Every child eventually becomes adult so giving adults 'less concern' only because they're not 'children' seems temporally wrong.

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

 

[koshergrl]

I know why he sees children as midget adults. I also know why he's posting.

 

[flacaltenn]

Why the fuck is this nightmare thread still rolling?

There's something seriously wrong with this site.

Why the fuck is this nightmare thread still rolling?

There's something seriously wrong with this site.

Nothing wrong with this site. The way society sorts good ideas from bad is by discussing them. EVERYONE gets to assert theories and ideas, but they also have to assume the consequences and responsibilities FOR those ideas. That's how you get fewer BAD ideas proposed and discussed..

 

[koshergrl]

Well, except when you're promoting illegal activity.

And it is illegal to distribute porn to kids, btw.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Anyone who cares about children would be concerned. It is disturbing and concerning that there are people out there who want to do this.

I care about people in general not differentiating or breaking it up into children or adults. Every child eventually becomes adult so giving adults 'less concern' only because they're not 'children' seems temporally wrong.

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, except when you're promoting illegal activity.

And it is illegal to distribute porn to kids, btw.

Not too long ago, marijuana and gay marraige were illegal. ADVOCATING for those positions never was.. Although advocating for the unpopular should be done RESPONSIBLY and with full acknowledgement of the risks of being wrong. They were discussed and modified and in some instances tested and adopted..

 

[flacaltenn]

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

I have yet to these factoids and theories ADOPTED as standard practice by any reputable professionals. When there is an "adolescent porn exposure therapy" developed and taught in Psych schools, then I'll reconsider. Although I don't necessarily believe that MOST of the Psych field gives a shit about science and methods.

 

[shart_attack]

Anyone who cares about children would be concerned. It is disturbing and concerning that there are people out there who want to do this.

I care about people in general not differentiating or breaking it up into children or adults. Every child eventually becomes adult so giving adults 'less concern' only because they're not 'children' seems temporally wrong.

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

And what's your handle on those sites? Is it the same one that you use here?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

I have yet to these factoids and theories ADOPTED as standard practice by any reputable professionals. When there is an "adolescent porn exposure therapy" developed and taught in Psych schools, then I'll reconsider. Although I don't necessarily believe that MOST of the Psych field gives a shit about science and methods.

He who cusses first has lost the debate.

 

[flacaltenn]

OK -- you win...

 

[koshergrl]

Well, except when you're promoting illegal activity.

And it is illegal to distribute porn to kids, btw.

Not too long ago, marijuana and gay marraige were illegal. ADVOCATING for those positions never was.. Although advocating for the unpopular should be done RESPONSIBLY and with full acknowledgement of the risks of being wrong. They were discussed and modified and in some instances tested and adopted..

Advocating for crimes against children is illegal.

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, except when you're promoting illegal activity.

And it is illegal to distribute porn to kids, btw.

Not too long ago, marijuana and gay marraige were illegal. ADVOCATING for those positions never was.. Although advocating for the unpopular should be done RESPONSIBLY and with full acknowledgement of the risks of being wrong. They were discussed and modified and in some instances tested and adopted..

Advocating for crimes against children is illegal.

Looking at the issue of exposure to sexual material in adolescents is not illegal. If there is evidence that it matters HOW and WHEN this happens, then that's valid knowledge. Especially if we can assess the damage (or as Delta4 would prefer -- the benefit). Because it is GONNA happen --- a lot these days..

 

[koshergrl]

"
The CAPTA definition of sexual abuse includes:
The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement,
or coercion of any child to engage in, or assist any other
person to engage in, any sexually explicit conduct"

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.pdf

 

[Delta4Embassy]

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

I have yet to these factoids and theories ADOPTED as standard practice by any reputable professionals. When there is an "adolescent porn exposure therapy" developed and taught in Psych schools, then I'll reconsider. Although I don't necessarily believe that MOST of the Psych field gives a shit about science and methods.

Baking cookies here so only have about 10 mins at a time to chat, but as to the 'yet to see these factoids adopted...'

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So your kid is looking at porn. Now what SafeKids.com

(relevant excerpts)

"Let’s be honest. Many children — especially post-pubescent boys — are interested in what we commonly call “porn.” You might not like the idea that some kids are looking at these images, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a pretty common occurrence.

There are a number of reasons why kids look at pornography. For some, it’s to be “cool.” There are reported cases of relatively young children using porn to impress their friends, much as kids sometimes smoke to show their independence.

Sometimes it’s curiosity, but in many cases — especially for males past puberty, it’s for stimulation at times when no one else is around.

Don’t overreact. How you respond to the situation can have more of an effect than the exposure itself, according to Richard Toft, a child psychologist in Palo Alto, California.

“Parents,” said Dr. Toft, “need to approach porn the same way they approach any issue about their child’s sexuality. There are laws involved, there is responsibility involved, and there is a life long impact of everything they do whether they want to admit it or not.” Dr. Toft added, “Parents are going to do best if they do not consider porn isolated from sexuality. They need to address their moral feelings about sex, and porn is part of that. It is also best addressed ahead of time not after the fact.” He added, “A parent’s reaction can have a tremendous impact, and you could make it traumatic by ranting, raving and threatening reprisals.”‘

[emphasis added by me for some people here]

Dr. Marty Klein, a Silicon Valley-based marriage counselor, psychotherapist, and sex therapist, said that “many parents are blissfully ignoring their kids’ sexuality. They don’t talk about sex with their children when they’re young and when they trip over their kid’s porn at age 14, they suddenly realize their kid is a sexual being. ” Finding that your kid is using porn, said Dr. Klein, “can be a teachable moment. It can be turned into a positive thing. It may be long overdue for a parent to have a few conversations about sex with their kid.” He added,” we don’t wait around for our kids to ask about taking care of their teeth. We teach them dental hygiene when they’re young. It’s the same with sex.” Dr. Klein argues that “you can’t talk about porn without talking about your kid masturbating. One of the reason parents don’t want their kids looking at porn is because they’re uncomfortable with their kid masturbating.” Klein said that there is no evidence that masturbation is harmful or dangerous unless the child is doing it so much that it’s interfering with other activities."


I could go on, but I like short succinct posts. Short n skinny is it IS adopted. Nothing in this thread isn't already implemented by psychologists, counsellors, law enforcement, and child safety advocates.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, it's illegal to attempt to persuade children to look at porn.