Does liberty matter anymore?

[Desperado]

Yes you are now guilty till proven innocent.
Go on a plane you are searched
Ladies that go to a game or a concert have their purses searched
Those searches are unwarranted and unjustified. So to answer you question,
yes we are losing our freedom a little bit at a time

 

[Votto]

Here is the liberal utopia

1. Free rent and board
2. Free meals
3. Free education
4. Free medical care
5. Equal rights for all.
6. No one has to work
7. Every day is gay pride day.
8. Gun free zone. With guards 24/7, who needs a gun?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A date signaling the complete failure of Reaganomics.

Why do you feel that date signaled anything?

Senior Bush continues Reagan's Supply Side Economics and it resulted in off-shored funds being sucked into a vast black hole.

Bush wasn't President in 1987.

Look it up; otherwise known as Black Friday.

Black Friday was October 25th, 1929. Durr.

You are correct, it was Reagan.
I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.
I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.
The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

The DOT COM should have succeeded but too many people were too paranoid to use their Credit Cards over the Internet.
The Housing Bubble accompanied by more Supply Side drove us into the 2008 Crash.

Black Monday (1987) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.

What devastation occurred because the stock market crashed in 1987?

I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.

The crash happened on Saturday October 17, 1987?
That's weird, most people who worked in the business remember the actual date.

The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

Which "Kings of Finance" worked to try to fix what things over the weekend?
Any specifics?

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

 

[Indeependent]

You are correct, it was Reagan.
I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.
I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.
The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

The DOT COM should have succeeded but too many people were too paranoid to use their Credit Cards over the Internet.
The Housing Bubble accompanied by more Supply Side drove us into the 2008 Crash.

Black Monday (1987) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.

What devastation occurred because the stock market crashed in 1987?

I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.

The crash happened on Saturday October 17, 1987?
That's weird, most people who worked in the business remember the actual date.

The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

Which "Kings of Finance" worked to try to fix what things over the weekend?
Any specifics?

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.

What devastation occurred because the stock market crashed in 1987?

I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.

The crash happened on Saturday October 17, 1987?
That's weird, most people who worked in the business remember the actual date.

The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

Which "Kings of Finance" worked to try to fix what things over the weekend?
Any specifics?

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

 

[foggedinn]

True liberty requires self sacrifice, not blaming others for your problems.
Learn how to serve.

 

[Indeependent]

You are correct, it was Reagan.
I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.
I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.
The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

The DOT COM should have succeeded but too many people were too paranoid to use their Credit Cards over the Internet.
The Housing Bubble accompanied by more Supply Side drove us into the 2008 Crash.

Black Monday (1987) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.

What devastation occurred because the stock market crashed in 1987?

I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.

The crash happened on Saturday October 17, 1987?
That's weird, most people who worked in the business remember the actual date.

The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

Which "Kings of Finance" worked to try to fix what things over the weekend?
Any specifics?

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Friday, October, 16, 1986.
Supply Side Economics is based on the Global Economy.
The US market collapses when excess investment leaves the US to support the non-US Markets that are supplying the US with less expensive goods and services.
Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.
There were major banks all over Downtown and Uptown that were swallowed up.
Many Accounting Firms audited these Banks and suddenly there were far fewer Banks that needed fewer Auditors.
Monday, October 19, 1987.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.
I'm sure there are lists of those defunct financial institutions on the web.

 

[Indeependent]

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987 because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.
By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

 

[Indeependent]

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

You are obviously too young to remember the good old 2nd Reagan Term.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I worked on Wall Street and witnessed the economic devastation that occurred.

What devastation occurred because the stock market crashed in 1987?

I place it on Oct 17, 1987 because that's when it actually happened.

The crash happened on Saturday October 17, 1987?
That's weird, most people who worked in the business remember the actual date.

The "Kings of Finance" worked feverishly to try to fix things over the weekend to avail.

Which "Kings of Finance" worked to try to fix what things over the weekend?
Any specifics?

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Friday, October, 16, 1986.
Supply Side Economics is based on the Global Economy.
The US market collapses when excess investment leaves the US to support the non-US Markets that are supplying the US with less expensive goods and services.
Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.
There were major banks all over Downtown and Uptown that were swallowed up.
Many Accounting Firms audited these Banks and suddenly there were far fewer Banks that needed fewer Auditors.
Monday, October 19, 1987.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.
I'm sure there are lists of those defunct financial institutions on the web.

Friday, October, 16, 1986.

1987? Which instruments were toxic?

Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.

And you feel they merged of collapsed because of the stock market in Oct 1987?

Monday, October 19, 1987.


Yes. Monday. The day the market crashed.
Not Saturday, October 17, 1987, the day the market didn't trade.
Because it's Saturday.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.

Seriously, if you knew the right date for the crash I wouldn't be pointing out your errors.

 

[dblack]

True liberty requires self sacrifice, not blaming others for your problems.
Learn how to serve.

Which is different than learn how to obey.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987 because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.
By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987

No one who worked in the markets at that time refers to the crash as 2 days before it happened.

because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.

The market had peaked at 2722 in August.
Friday, October 16th was the first time the Dow dropped triple digits in one day.
It closed Friday at 2246, down 108 points.
Down about 17% from the peak. And you knew that meant the shit hit the fan? LOL!
I guess on Monday, October 19, 1987, when it went down 508 points, something else hit the fan?

By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Which open markets on Saturday October 17, 1987 crashed so much that they left a bigger impression on you than Black Monday left?

 

[Indeependent]

NYC was devastated.
Almost 80% of the stores in downtown Manhattan went under and most new businesses couldn't stay open for more than 6 months.

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened but some major Market Makers were going to try to boost some confidence in the Market for Monday morning.
I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

I was in IT so I didn't know any big shots personally, but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.
Especially being made to be at work 16 hours a day even if there was no work to be done.

By the way, Market crashes and Bubbles are insider information which is why the multi-millionaires and billionaires are usually unscathed by crashes and do VERY well in Bubbles.

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Friday, October, 16, 1986.
Supply Side Economics is based on the Global Economy.
The US market collapses when excess investment leaves the US to support the non-US Markets that are supplying the US with less expensive goods and services.
Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.
There were major banks all over Downtown and Uptown that were swallowed up.
Many Accounting Firms audited these Banks and suddenly there were far fewer Banks that needed fewer Auditors.
Monday, October 19, 1987.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.
I'm sure there are lists of those defunct financial institutions on the web.

Friday, October, 16, 1986.

1987? Which instruments were toxic?

Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.

And you feel they merged of collapsed because of the stock market in Oct 1987?

Monday, October 19, 1987.


Yes. Monday. The day the market crashed.
Not Saturday, October 17, 1987, the day the market didn't trade.
Because it's Saturday.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.

Seriously, if you knew the right date for the crash I wouldn't be pointing out your errors.

Seriously, if I even think of the crash occurring on a day after I already knew about it, I would be creeped out.
That's one of the reasons why only the average person gets screwed when Wall Street collapses...they don't know about it until at least a day after everyone working on Wall Street.
You have a point, but just about everybody I know who worked, or works, on Wall Street, never thought about any other date than when they heard the news.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

You are obviously too young to remember the good old 2nd Reagan Term.

You are obviously too young to remember the good old 2nd Reagan Term.

And you're too old to remember the Crash.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NYC was devastated.

By the crash in 1987?

I worked for Banker's Trust and we already knew Friday evening what had happened

What happened on Friday?

I was told on Monday morning that by Saturday no major Firms were going to bail out any other firms.

Which firms needed a bail out?

but everything in the work place changed after that Saturday.

On the Saturday that the market crashed?

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Friday, October, 16, 1986.
Supply Side Economics is based on the Global Economy.
The US market collapses when excess investment leaves the US to support the non-US Markets that are supplying the US with less expensive goods and services.
Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.
There were major banks all over Downtown and Uptown that were swallowed up.
Many Accounting Firms audited these Banks and suddenly there were far fewer Banks that needed fewer Auditors.
Monday, October 19, 1987.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.
I'm sure there are lists of those defunct financial institutions on the web.

Friday, October, 16, 1986.

1987? Which instruments were toxic?

Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.

And you feel they merged of collapsed because of the stock market in Oct 1987?

Monday, October 19, 1987.


Yes. Monday. The day the market crashed.
Not Saturday, October 17, 1987, the day the market didn't trade.
Because it's Saturday.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.

Seriously, if you knew the right date for the crash I wouldn't be pointing out your errors.

Seriously, if I even think of the crash occurring on a day after I already knew about it, I would be creeped out.
That's one of the reasons why only the average person gets screwed when Wall Street collapses...they don't know about it until at least a day after everyone working on Wall Street.
You have a point, but just about everybody I know who worked, or works, on Wall Street, never thought about any other date than when they heard the news.

You didn't hear the news about the Oct 19th 1987 crash on Oct 17th 1987.

 

[foggedinn]

True liberty requires self sacrifice, not blaming others for your problems.
Learn how to serve.

Which is different than learn how to obey.

Know the will of your master and the two are not in conflict.

 

[Indeependent]

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987 because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.
By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987

No one who worked in the markets at that time refers to the crash as 2 days before it happened.

because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.

The market had peaked at 2722 in August.
Friday, October 16th was the first time the Dow dropped triple digits in one day.
It closed Friday at 2246, down 108 points.
Down about 17% from the peak. And you knew that meant the shit hit the fan? LOL!
I guess on Monday, October 19, 1987, when it went down 508 points, something else hit the fan?

By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Which open markets on Saturday October 17, 1987 crashed so much that they left a bigger impression on you than Black Monday left?

You didn't read the Wikipedia article.
You are so knee jerk Republican you can't even foster the thought that Reagan fucked up the Global Economy.
You do realize that the insiders knew on Saturday they were going pulling out early Monday morning.
You think millions of shares are dumped without mulling it over the day before?
Are you that ignorant of how insiders work?
Perhaps you are.
Banker's Trust knew it on Friday.

 

[Indeependent]

NYC was devastated by the crash in 1987.
On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.
Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.
Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.
Prior to the 1987 crash there were way more banks than Citibank and Chase Manhattan that you could spit out in a sound bite without thinking twice.
The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.
On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.
People were terrified of being laid off due to taking a lunch break.
Fast Food Restaurants, Fine Dining, electronics stores, hardware stores, record stores...all vanished within 3 months.
Manhattan became a ghost town.

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Friday, October, 16, 1986.
Supply Side Economics is based on the Global Economy.
The US market collapses when excess investment leaves the US to support the non-US Markets that are supplying the US with less expensive goods and services.
Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.
There were major banks all over Downtown and Uptown that were swallowed up.
Many Accounting Firms audited these Banks and suddenly there were far fewer Banks that needed fewer Auditors.
Monday, October 19, 1987.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.
I'm sure there are lists of those defunct financial institutions on the web.

Friday, October, 16, 1986.

1987? Which instruments were toxic?

Other than Chemical and Banker's Trust, there were a bunch of others whose names I can't recall off hand because I never had my money in them.

And you feel they merged of collapsed because of the stock market in Oct 1987?

Monday, October 19, 1987.


Yes. Monday. The day the market crashed.
Not Saturday, October 17, 1987, the day the market didn't trade.
Because it's Saturday.

Seriously, if I had blamed a Democratic President for what happened you wouldn't be asking any questions at all.

Seriously, if you knew the right date for the crash I wouldn't be pointing out your errors.

Seriously, if I even think of the crash occurring on a day after I already knew about it, I would be creeped out.
That's one of the reasons why only the average person gets screwed when Wall Street collapses...they don't know about it until at least a day after everyone working on Wall Street.
You have a point, but just about everybody I know who worked, or works, on Wall Street, never thought about any other date than when they heard the news.

You didn't hear the news about the Oct 19th 1987 crash on Oct 17th 1987.

I did...So did Raygun.
So you deny Supply Side failed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On Friday, the Dealers involved in non-US investments were already aware their money was invested in Toxic Instruments.

On which Friday? Be specific.
Toxic instruments? Do you mean stocks?

Almost every Banking Institution had invested in the emerging Global Economy.

We're talking about the US market in 1987. Don't change the subject.

Many banks, in fact, collapsed and were merged into the Big 6 or so of today.

Many banks collapsed because of the crash in October 1987? You have a list?

The same for the Top 8 Accounting Firms that almost overnight became the Top 4 Accounting Firms.

The accounting firms collapsed because of the stock market in 1987?

On Monday morning following the crash virtually all of Manhattan started working way past 9-5.

What was the date of this Monday morning after the crash?

Before we continue, how old are you?

How old do I need to be to know the stock market didn't do anything on October 17, 1987?

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987 because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.
By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Obviously, you don't realize that the people who worked for those Banks have always referred to it occurring on October 17, 1987

No one who worked in the markets at that time refers to the crash as 2 days before it happened.

because that's when we knew the shit hit the fan.

The market had peaked at 2722 in August.
Friday, October 16th was the first time the Dow dropped triple digits in one day.
It closed Friday at 2246, down 108 points.
Down about 17% from the peak. And you knew that meant the shit hit the fan? LOL!
I guess on Monday, October 19, 1987, when it went down 508 points, something else hit the fan?

By the way, there ARE markets open on Saturday and I'm sure you full well know that fact.

Which open markets on Saturday October 17, 1987 crashed so much that they left a bigger impression on you than Black Monday left?

You didn't read the Wikipedia article.
You are so knee jerk Republican you can't even foster the thought that Reagan fucked up the Global Economy.
You do realize that the insiders knew on Saturday they were going pulling out early Monday morning.
You think millions of shares are dumped without mulling it over the day before?
Are you that ignorant of how insiders work?
Perhaps you are.
Banker's Trust knew it on Friday.

You didn't read the Wikipedia article.

You linked an article I was supposed to read?
Did the article mention the date of the crash was not a Saturday? LOL!

You do realize that the insiders knew on Saturday they were going pulling out early Monday morning.

You do realize that some people knew on Saturday they were going to buy after the big drop on Friday.

Are you that ignorant of how insiders work?

Are you ignorant of the date of the Crash?

 

[Indeependent]

Black Monday: The Stock Market Crash of 1987 - A detailed essay on an important event in the history of the Federal Reserve.

Check out "Oct 17".
Every insider knew what was coming.