Does big government equal social justice???

[Truthmatters]

Big government is the only modern day counter to the evils of of unfettered capitalism. Americans have gotten to lazy and afraid to counter it themselves with labor strikes and protests. And far too many lazy minded Americans only receive their political and social guidance from talk radio and Fox News. So if it is not government countering the evil corrupted greed, than who? God needs warriors to fight Evil, and if that means a strong central government, than so be it.

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

 

[California Girl]

more personal bullshit in the face of facts.

Your small government crap was not from the founders was it?

You wouldn't recognize 'facts' if they came labeled. Twit. You're a lying partisan hack.

 

[WillowTree]

Big government is the only modern day counter to the evils of of unfettered capitalism. Americans have gotten to lazy and afraid to counter it themselves with labor strikes and protests. And far too many lazy minded Americans only receive their political and social guidance from talk radio and Fox News. So if it is not government countering the evil corrupted greed, than who? God needs warriors to fight Evil, and if that means a strong central government, than so be it.

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

They pay taxes!

 

[martybegan]

more personal bullshit in the face of facts.

Your small government crap was not from the founders was it?

Small FEDERAL goverment was from the founders. There were already local and State governments to handle local and state issues. The fed was never meant to deal with those, like it does today.

And the "personal bullshit" is just fun for me, because you are a debater of ZERO skill, with only links and one liners as your retorts.

I may disagree with others of a more leftist bent, like Wry Catcher, Sallow or Jillian, but at least thier thoughts are formed, well explained, and have a basis in reality. Things your posts lack.

Also your quoting ability is as usual, abhorrent.

This derps for you.

 

[Truthmatters]

I gave links and facts you gave opinion

 

[WillowTree]

Big government is the only modern day counter to the evils of of unfettered capitalism. Americans have gotten to lazy and afraid to counter it themselves with labor strikes and protests. And far too many lazy minded Americans only receive their political and social guidance from talk radio and Fox News. So if it is not government countering the evil corrupted greed, than who? God needs warriors to fight Evil, and if that means a strong central government, than so be it.

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

I spelled leeches correctly in my post and you come back with "leaches" you are probably the laziest most stupid person on this board. Grow the fuck up.

 

[kwc57]

Big government is the only modern day counter to the evils of of unfettered capitalism. Americans have gotten to lazy and afraid to counter it themselves with labor strikes and protests. And far too many lazy minded Americans only receive their political and social guidance from talk radio and Fox News. So if it is not government countering the evil corrupted greed, than who? God needs warriors to fight Evil, and if that means a strong central government, than so be it.

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

You mean the ones who are paying the lion's share of federal taxes that the 50% are riding on?

 

[Intense]

Big government is the only modern day counter to the evils of of unfettered capitalism. Americans have gotten to lazy and afraid to counter it themselves with labor strikes and protests. And far too many lazy minded Americans only receive their political and social guidance from talk radio and Fox News. So if it is not government countering the evil corrupted greed, than who? God needs warriors to fight Evil, and if that means a strong central government, than so be it.

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

Envy, Jealousy are as much of a problem as Greed, TM. You might want to consider that. Punishing Achievement discourages it, in that, we all lose. I get the impression that you would rather destroy all that which you can't control, that beyond your comprehension, rather than share in the benefits, that are brought.

 

[DiamondDave]

Does big government equal social justice???

Does small government equal social justice?

Should any government guarantee social justice in a society based on freedoms??

I'll give you a hint... I already know the answer... and hopefully so do you.. the answer is.... NO

 

[Big Fitz]

Another bull shit right wing line

Born out through history.

But we know how much you hate history debunking socialist rhetoric.

BTW, the quote "The government that governs least, governs best.", Is from Thomas Paine. So hardly a 'right wing line', but rather a founding father and philosopher line, little miss 'church of me'.

 

[DiamondDave]

going to be damn hard to have a STRONG central government when 50% of you leeches don't contribute..

How about the leaches who own 80% of the wealth?

I spelled leeches correctly in my post and you come back with "leaches" you are probably the laziest most stupid person on this board. Grow the fuck up.

What about the Sneetches that have stars upon thars??

 

[Utilitarian]

It appears to me that many of the constituency seem to view big government as the 'cure all' regarding social inequality. Both taxes & wealth redistribution seem to be the preferred avenues that the social equality crowd navigates to arrive at their expectations. I must ask though, IF big government does indeed bring forth true social equality how does the social equality crowd explain Former senator Ted Kennedy & senator John McCain??? I mean both senators mentioned were/are wealthy far beyond their government pay allotment by all assessments.
I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest here, just curious how the big government crowd goes about rationalizing their love affair with big government.

Oh, how I pine for the days when you could run a restaurant and prevent someone from entering just because you don't serve "their kind."

Yes, the days when you could hire children cheaply to work in your factory and replace them in a day's notice should some... accident... occur... those days are sadly gone.

 

[manifold]

I don't know about big government, but I'd certainly agree that good government equals the best option for social justice. The real debate lies in what constitutes good government.

The government that governs best, governs least."

It would logically follow then, that the best government is no government at all.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly agree with that notion and I sure hope you don't either.

 

[martybegan]

It appears to me that many of the constituency seem to view big government as the 'cure all' regarding social inequality. Both taxes & wealth redistribution seem to be the preferred avenues that the social equality crowd navigates to arrive at their expectations. I must ask though, IF big government does indeed bring forth true social equality how does the social equality crowd explain Former senator Ted Kennedy & senator John McCain??? I mean both senators mentioned were/are wealthy far beyond their government pay allotment by all assessments.
I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest here, just curious how the big government crowd goes about rationalizing their love affair with big government.

Oh, how I pine for the days when you could run a restaurant and prevent someone from entering just because you don't serve "their kind."

Yes, the days when you could hire children cheaply to work in your factory and replace them in a day's notice should some... accident... occur... those days are sadly gone.

A resturant that did that today would probably be out of business without government intervention, except in a few areas.

Your second point is argumentum ad absurdum, or argument to the extreme, whereby you make it seem those in favor of lesser government want to return to complete unregulation.

Also today, any company that let a child worker get hurt would be sued out of existance.

 

[martybegan]

I don't know about big government, but I'd certainly agree that good government equals the best option for social justice. The real debate lies in what constitutes good government.

The government that governs best, governs least."

It would logically follow then, that the best government is no government at all.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly agree with that notion and I sure hope you don't either.

The problem occurs when a level of government gets involved because it CAN, not because it SHOULD.

For me most of the issue is with the federal government taking over an duplicating tasks best done at the state and local level, the essence of federalism. The federal government should only involve itself in issues regarding ALL the states, or possible topics that would lead to disupute BETWEEN the states.

For example, I see the EPA as a nessasary agency, as pollution can cross state lines. As an opposite example any minimum wage legislation should be a state issue, not a federal one.

 

[Intense]

It appears to me that many of the constituency seem to view big government as the 'cure all' regarding social inequality. Both taxes & wealth redistribution seem to be the preferred avenues that the social equality crowd navigates to arrive at their expectations. I must ask though, IF big government does indeed bring forth true social equality how does the social equality crowd explain Former senator Ted Kennedy & senator John McCain??? I mean both senators mentioned were/are wealthy far beyond their government pay allotment by all assessments.
I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest here, just curious how the big government crowd goes about rationalizing their love affair with big government.

Oh, how I pine for the days when you could run a restaurant and prevent someone from entering just because you don't serve "their kind."

Yes, the days when you could hire children cheaply to work in your factory and replace them in a day's notice should some... accident... occur... those days are sadly gone.

I bet you miss the Re-Education Centers, Death Camps, and those Mass Graves, too.

 

[Intense]

The government that governs best, governs least."

It would logically follow then, that the best government is no government at all.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly agree with that notion and I sure hope you don't either.

The problem occurs when a level of government gets involved because it CAN, not because it SHOULD.

For me most of the issue is with the federal government taking over an duplicating tasks best done at the state and local level, the essence of federalism. The federal government should only involve itself in issues regarding ALL the states, or possible topics that would lead to disupute BETWEEN the states.

For example, I see the EPA as a nessasary agency, as pollution can cross state lines. As an opposite example any minimum wage legislation should be a state issue, not a federal one.

The EPA needs to be accountable too, and show cause when it takes action. It needs to be Open and Transparent. The EPA should not be playing Pavlovian Response or acting without Authority.

 

[Sallow]

It appears to me that many of the constituency seem to view big government as the 'cure all' regarding social inequality. Both taxes & wealth redistribution seem to be the preferred avenues that the social equality crowd navigates to arrive at their expectations. I must ask though, IF big government does indeed bring forth true social equality how does the social equality crowd explain Former senator Ted Kennedy & senator John McCain??? I mean both senators mentioned were/are wealthy far beyond their government pay allotment by all assessments.
I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest here, just curious how the big government crowd goes about rationalizing their love affair with big government.

Government, in particular the federal government, is the only organization with the reach and the force to implement social justice as it is seen by the statists.

To them social equality has not been reached, so rich people contiue to exist. Also, most of the time, they are just FINE with certain people being able to keep thier wealth, they just want people who disagree with them politically to lose thier wealth, their voice, and thier rights.

What they don't mention is that there will always be a political overclass, and it is thier goal to BE that overclass once they get thier statist way.

Statist way?

The type of government we have ALLOWS for accumulation of weath and wealth retention.

No government..no wealth.

Try it some time.

 

[Intense]

I don't know about big government, but I'd certainly agree that good government equals the best option for social justice. The real debate lies in what constitutes good government.

The government that governs best, governs least."

It would logically follow then, that the best government is no government at all.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly agree with that notion and I sure hope you don't either.

The best Government being No Government is in Reference to an Enlightened Society. Seen any Unicorns lately?

 

[Intense]

It appears to me that many of the constituency seem to view big government as the 'cure all' regarding social inequality. Both taxes & wealth redistribution seem to be the preferred avenues that the social equality crowd navigates to arrive at their expectations. I must ask though, IF big government does indeed bring forth true social equality how does the social equality crowd explain Former senator Ted Kennedy & senator John McCain??? I mean both senators mentioned were/are wealthy far beyond their government pay allotment by all assessments.
I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest here, just curious how the big government crowd goes about rationalizing their love affair with big government.

Government, in particular the federal government, is the only organization with the reach and the force to implement social justice as it is seen by the statists.

To them social equality has not been reached, so rich people contiue to exist. Also, most of the time, they are just FINE with certain people being able to keep thier wealth, they just want people who disagree with them politically to lose thier wealth, their voice, and thier rights.

What they don't mention is that there will always be a political overclass, and it is thier goal to BE that overclass once they get thier statist way.

Statist way?

The type of government we have ALLOWS for accumulation of weath and wealth retention.

No government..no wealth.

Try it some time.

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