VaYank5150
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WHO pays for the counseling?
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Note that you STLL havent answered the question as to if it violates your rights.A waiting period that serves no other purpose than to expose the pregnant woman to propaganda is neither necessary nor appropriate.
And then, what of a waiting period that serves another purpose, such as this one?
It would violate the rights established in Roe v. Wade because there is no overriding compelling interest that justifies the infringement of those rights.
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?Constitutional law has determined that the fetus is not an 'innocent life' in the context you're using it, at least in the case of a 1st trimester abortion. The state can probably do this constitutionally with later term abortion.So...the state has no compelling interest in protecting the lives of the innocent by requiring someone to wait three days before they exercise a right that may very well affect said innocent lives?Because no case has been made.
None of that is at all necessary for you to answer the questions.I'm ready to answer when you prove that whenever I purchase a firearm, as part of the three day waiting period, I am required to meet with a counselor whose job it is to try and talk me out of buying said firearm.Your continued avoidance is noted.Sure I do. You want to compare the legislation in the OP with a three day wait to purchase a firearm. The problem is this legislation goes beyond that. You know it. I know it. And I'm not foolish enough to buy what you are selling.
Yes...and avoiding the question put to you in the OP.I was asking questions.Not surprisingly, you didn't answer the question.Who does this 'counseling' and what guidelines do they use?
Three days of religious propaganda and an opportunity to pile on more guilt? Leave it to the 'Religious' Right to come up with this crap!
In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights.South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into LawSouth Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a bill requiring women seeking an abortion to wait three days after meeting with a doctor and receive counseling before undergoing the procedure, news agencies reported.
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
How, exactly, does -that- create the argument that it violates your rights?In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights.South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into LawSouth Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a bill requiring women seeking an abortion to wait three days after meeting with a doctor and receive counseling before undergoing the procedure, news agencies reported.
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
A three day waiting period to buy a gun is a cool down period. Does anyone from the state come to you and 'counsel' you about the purchase of a gun?And so, you'd similarly apply this argument to, say, guns?In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights.South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL PRODUCT, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights?
South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into LawSouth Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a bill requiring women seeking an abortion to wait three days after meeting with a doctor and receive counseling before undergoing the procedure, news agencies reported.
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
Funny that South Dakota wants to require a 72 hour waiting period for a woman to get an abortion, but only requires 48 hours to purchase a firearm.
How about a 72 hour waiting period and counseling for anyone wanting to purchase a firearm?
I, like many here, would want to know what this "counseling" entails and who is going to pay for it.
What are the guidelines for this 'counselling'? Who would suggest three days of counseling? Why is it necessary? What is inculcated during this counseling?Who does this 'counseling' and what guidelines do they use?
Three days of religious propaganda and an opportunity to pile on more guilt? Leave it to the 'Religious' Right to come up with this crap!
And anything about counseling being 'religious' or 'propaganda' was stated in the bill where???
You sure as fuck don't seem to be one that would mind piling on guilt when a maniacal murderer is given the death penalty
Come on. Be honest. There's no reason for it other than to dissuade the poor girl and make her feel worse than she already feels. Guilt. The coin of the realm for the "Religious" Right.
A three day waiting period to buy a gun is a cool down period. Does anyone from the state come to you and 'counsel' you about the purchase of a gun?And so, you'd similarly apply this argument to, say, guns?In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights.
In that it further restricts access to a LEGAL PRODUCT, in that it adds a layer of politically charged guilt and inculcation, the answer is yes, it violates rights?
Could you imagine a scenario where someone can be so incensed that buying a gun and shooting someone that day is a possibility? How does that compare to someone wanting an abortion?
It is possible that an abortion must be performed within a narrow time frame. Do you really need that gun today? Really? Why? Too pissed off to consider the consequences? Could owning a gun threaten you health the way a pregnancy could?
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?Constitutional law has determined that the fetus is not an 'innocent life' in the context you're using it, at least in the case of a 1st trimester abortion. The state can probably do this constitutionally with later term abortion.So...the state has no compelling interest in protecting the lives of the innocent by requiring someone to wait three days before they exercise a right that may very well affect said innocent lives?
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?Constitutional law has determined that the fetus is not an 'innocent life' in the context you're using it, at least in the case of a 1st trimester abortion. The state can probably do this constitutionally with later term abortion.
It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?
It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.
Of course there is such an argument. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant. There is an argument, and it has won the day.
It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.
Of course there is such an argument. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant. There is an argument, and it has won the day.
Someone should post the argument then.
And it hasn't won the day because it hasn't passed constitutional muster.