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No... the argument is 'a compelling state interest"It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?Constitutional law has determined that the fetus is not an 'innocent life' in the context you're using it, at least in the case of a 1st trimester abortion. The state can probably do this constitutionally with later term abortion.
All of this is irrelevant to the issue at hand.States are running massive deficits, teachers are being laid off, taxpayers are over taxed, gas is $4 a gallon, education is a mess, health care costs families $15K a year, the deficit is massive, we are in 3 wars and what does a dumbass politician spend time on while IGNORING THE ABOVE:
Abortion: A NON ISSUE.
Any politician that ignores the real problems we face should not be in office. Moral police: STAY AWAY AND YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.
Anyone that follows them are not true conservatives.
AFAIK, no state requires a seperate background check for general gun purchases - and so, while a wait -could- allow for that, there's no mechanism in olace that -does- allow for it. Thus, irrelevant.During that three day waiting period for a gun purchase, background checks can be run (although they rarely are).As is the period for abortions.A three day waiting period to buy a gun is a cool down period.
Well, lets see:
-In the case of the gun purchase, a life may end
-In the case of the abortion, a life will end
-In virtually every gun purchase, no life ends
-In virtually every abortion, a life ends.
So, given the threat posed by each act to the life of another, I'd say the 3-day cooling down period is far more applicable to abortions than gun purchases.
It is possible that a gun is needed in a narrow time frame.It is possible that an abortion must be performed within a narrow time frame.
Seperate issue, and not the issue at hand.Does anyone advocate counseling for the purchase of a gun?
So? If you NEED the gun, it's likely that you NEED to kill someone.And if you absolutely positively need that gun today, chances are you're about to kill someone.
Is it not the government's job to protect life? Does the gov't not have laws against murder for that very purpose?
You dont know what would happen. Will some people always get abortions? Yes. But are there people who would not? Yup. No law is 100% effective. That doesn't make it a bad law. Otherwise we might as well repeal laws on murder and rape.
Someone goes and shoots someone in the back of the head and that is murder.
A woman has an abortion.
Are you claiming that the circumstances ARE THE SAME?
If you do you are dumb as a box of rocks.
The woman has a doctor that states "it was in the best interest of the mother".
Now tell us OH RABBI THOU should she get the abortion?
Was it murder when a doctor gives that as the reason?
See how foolish your "abortion is murder" argument is? Middle class women, the majority-probably 70%+, would ALWAYS get their abortions.
ALL your law accomplishes is that poor women, 30% of the women, THAT DO NOT WANT BABIES AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CARE FOR THEM, will be stopped from having abortions by your stupid law.
Everyone else gets their abortion scot free. Absurd claims you make and stupid law.
And I OPPOSE ABORTION.
Get in the real world.
Ending life is ending life. Which part of that do you not understand?
The same government that gives doctors tort reform?
That's kind of the point...the dems and liberals always in favor of a waiting period for buying a gun, whats the difference.
During that three day waiting period for a gun purchase, background checks can be run (although they rarely are). Does anyone advocate counseling for the purchase of a gun? Seems that in Idaho, they want those three days to inculcate some morals and religious bigotry to dissuade an abortion.
And if you absolutely positively need that gun today, chances are you're about to kill someone. Take the entire judicial system on your shoulders, act as judge, jury and executioner. Commit a violent crime against society. But no counseling is required. Seems strange, doesn't it?
South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into LawSouth Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a bill requiring women seeking an abortion to wait three days after meeting with a doctor and receive counseling before undergoing the procedure, news agencies reported.
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into LawSouth Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a bill requiring women seeking an abortion to wait three days after meeting with a doctor and receive counseling before undergoing the procedure, news agencies reported.
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
Which rights?
- Constitutional rights? No, abortion is not in the Constitution and the Federal government has no right to either enable or restrict it. And therefore by the 10th Amendment it falls to the States or the people.
- Liberty? Absolutely. That government can tell you to wait can be only justified by the assumption it is government's right to tell you anything about what to do with your own body, it doesn't.
No... the argument is 'a compelling state interest"It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?
The state, according to Roe, has such a compelling interest, in protecting the life of the unborn once into the 2nd trimester, and as such, may restrict the right.
Once more:
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?
Anyone find it ironic that, just a reminder here,
The Rabbi opposes child labor laws?
You seem to be a chorus of one.
Anyway, Roe does not establish an unrestricted right to abortion. The law obviously had a public purpose in mind, one that you won't bother to research.
So you have lost the issue of "law of the land." You have failed to make every point you tried.
Anyone find it ironic that, just a reminder here,
The Rabbi opposes child labor laws?
You seem to be a chorus of one.
Anyway, Roe does not establish an unrestricted right to abortion. The law obviously had a public purpose in mind, one that you won't bother to research.
So you have lost the issue of "law of the land." You have failed to make every point you tried.
But Roe does protect the right of a woman to a 1st trimester abortion, and no claim of a compelling state interest in the potential life of the fetus, used as justification for infringement, applies to such abortions.
You continue to dodge.No... the argument is 'a compelling state interest"It does if it cannot be justified with a greater good argument. In this case there is no such argument.
The state, according to Roe, has such a compelling interest, in protecting the life of the unborn once into the 2nd trimester, and as such, may restrict the right.
Once more:
So.... does a three day waiting period violate your rights?
Ok, for clarification, does the SD limit this waiting period to 2nd trimester and later abortions only?
South Dakota Governor Signs Tough Abortion Bill Into Law
Up to this point, liberals have regularly said no.
What say ye now?
Why do you oppose a waiting period for buying a gun, but support a waiting period for getting an abortion?
Funny but rereading this thread I don't see anyone saying they oppose the waiting period for buy a gun did I miss something?
As far as the abortion thing, what's wrong with having someone(non biased) talk about the issue with the individual to make sure it's a reasonable decision and not a knee-jerk reaction to being pregnant. I think there is apparently a number of women who get abortions without thinkin about it, and then regret the decision...just a guess though.
