Do You Disagree With Not Being Able To Buy/Own A Tank?

No sane person is claiming they should own a tank or a nuclear weapon, but liberal scum just make up those claims so they will have more stupud shit to post here.

"Stupud" shit is what we constantly hear from the "the gun grabbers are coming", NRA is the word of God, second amendment is unquestionable loonies. We're just having a little fun at your expense since you don't give a shit about anyone dying but yourself.
 
Fireworks are illegal in some states. If I want to shoot bottle rockets and toss Black Cats at the coming men from black helicopters that is my right. Fireworks should be legal any where in America by the second amendment.
 
If you want to limit legally-allowed weapons to only those available at the time of the writing of the Constitution, then you have to also accept that the First Amendment doesn't cover speech on the internet, on television and radio; The 13th Amendment outlawing slavery doesn't exist; and the 19th Amendment, giving women the right to vote, doesn't exist.

How about it? If you want to arbitrarily limit freedoms, limit them all.

That's an interesting logic-leap. Let's take it apart...

While the progression from sloppy musket to Minié ball to semiauto to nukes can be said to radically redefine the nature of "arms", the same cannot be said of the concept of "speech" as a result of internet and broadcasting. True, these technologies greatly expand the scope of the audience hearing that speech, as arms technology greatly expands the scope of what arms can do; but since speech is communication of ideas and arms is communication of deadly force, they are of two different natures. To make this equation requires that the criterion be reduced to how many people are affected by said Constitutional right, rather than the nature of that right. The reach of speech changed with mass media, but the nature did not. And more to the point, speech is not life-endangering.

I'd say the question of types of speech (hate speech, pornography, yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater) would be much more to the point of defining A1 than how many people you can reach with it.

An interesting extension, although how you can apply the same extension to A13 and A19 eludes me. These are neither a question of quantity (how many women or slaves exist) nor of nature (definition of woman, definition of slave).

Excuse me?

Are you aware of the progress of arms before the invention of the firearm? Do you honestly believe that the founders were ignorant of it just because you think flint knives are toys?

Whaaaaa...? :confused:

Nothing up there has anything to do with the past before 1788. It's all about development after. Anything developed up to that time would fall under the contemporary definition of "arms".

Strange post.
 
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No sane person is claiming they should own a tank or a nuclear weapon, but liberal scum just make up those claims so they will have more stupud shit to post here.

Some of the deeper readers seem to think the thread is about weapons. Actually it's about logic.

The benefits of actually reading the thread...
 
That's an interesting logic-leap. Let's take it apart...

While the progression from sloppy musket to Minié ball to semiauto to nukes can be said to radically redefine the nature of "arms", the same cannot be said of the concept of "speech" as a result of internet and broadcasting. True, these technologies greatly expand the scope of the audience hearing that speech, as arms technology greatly expands the scope of what arms can do; but since speech is communication of ideas and arms is communication of deadly force, they are of two different natures. To make this equation requires that the criterion be reduced to how many people are affected by said Constitutional right, rather than the nature of that right. The reach of speech changed with mass media, but the nature did not. And more to the point, speech is not life-endangering.

I'd say the question of types of speech (hate speech, pornography, yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater) would be much more to the point of defining A1 than how many people you can reach with it.

An interesting extension, although how you can apply the same extension to A13 and A19 eludes me. These are neither a question of quantity (how many women or slaves exist) nor of nature (definition of woman, definition of slave).

Excuse me?

Are you aware of the progress of arms before the invention of the firearm? Do you honestly believe that the founders were ignorant of it just because you think flint knives are toys?

Whaaaaa...? :confused:

Nothing up there has anything to do with the past before 1788. It's all about development after. Anything developed up to that time would fall under the contemporary definition of "arms".

Strange post.

Are you trying to tell me that, if you brought a soldier from that time to today, didn't tell him anything, and pointed a bazooka at him, he wouldn't understand the threat?
 
No sane person is claiming they should own a tank or a nuclear weapon, but liberal scum just make up those claims so they will have more stupud shit to post here.

Some of the deeper readers seem to think the thread is about weapons. Actually it's about logic.

The benefits of actually reading the thread...

I have read the thread and would respectful submit there is little if any logic here.
 
Excuse me?

Are you aware of the progress of arms before the invention of the firearm? Do you honestly believe that the founders were ignorant of it just because you think flint knives are toys?

Whaaaaa...? :confused:

Nothing up there has anything to do with the past before 1788. It's all about development after. Anything developed up to that time would fall under the contemporary definition of "arms".

Strange post.

Are you trying to tell me that, if you brought a soldier from that time to today, didn't tell him anything, and pointed a bazooka at him, he wouldn't understand the threat?

No. Nothing remotely close to anything even vaguely like that. :bang3:
 
No sane person is claiming they should own a tank or a nuclear weapon, but liberal scum just make up those claims so they will have more stupud shit to post here.

Some of the deeper readers seem to think the thread is about weapons. Actually it's about logic.

The benefits of actually reading the thread...

I have read the thread and would respectful submit there is little if any logic here.

Granted the last page or so jumped the shark to a lot of lite banter, but logic is the basis here when we stay on topic. Earlier today we had it goin' on.
 
So circumstances matter, you lost your own argument.

Uh....no, I didn't. Apparently you lost your argument because you just demonstrated your ignorance of logic.

Logic requires rules, you are giving us your rules, I and others disagree, thus maybe our rules are the logical rules or maybe they are something else like pragmatism or reality. I think you miss the fact your logic is full of assumptions and only logical to you and the bubble you exist in. Circumstance matter, you said so, now think.
 
Which explains why they did not use horses, donkeys, or wagons, to move anything.

When you're using a horse/donkey/cart to move something, it's the animal/animal/vehicle that's doing the "bearing". That's why we call them beasts of burden.

No the horse is doing the toting, bearing has nothing to do with carrying.

The hell it doesn't. I refer you to the most recent definition entry:
1. To hold up; support.
2. To carry from one place to another; transport.
3. To carry in the mind; harbor: bear a grudge.
4. To transmit at large; relate: bearing glad tidings.
5. To have as a visible characteristic: bore a scar on the left arm.
6. To have as a quality; exhibit: "A thousand different shapes it bears" (Abraham Cowley).
7. To carry (oneself) in a specified way; conduct: She bore herself with dignity.
8. To be accountable for; assume: bearing heavy responsibilities.
9. To have a tolerance for; endure: couldn't bear his lying.
10. To call for; warrant: This case bears investigation.
11. To give birth to: bore six children in five years.
12. To produce; yield: plants bearing flowers.
13. To offer; render: I will bear witness to the deed.
14. To move by or as if by steady pressure; push: "

Source: Bear - definition of Bear by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.[/QUOTE]

I've never ever heard the word "tote" used for an animal.
Definition of TOTE
1: to carry by hand : bear on the person : lug, pack
2: haul, convey
— tot·er noun
Origin of TOTE
probably from an English-based creole; akin to Gullah & Krio tot to carry, of Bantu origin; akin to Kikongo -tota to pick up, Kimbundu -tuta to carry
First Known Use: 1677 (Merriam-Webster)
 

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