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we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]
How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
`
Totally goofy and Dishonest reply that ignores everything I posted/already explained.we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]
How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
`
Theories are like assholes. Everybody has at least one. I just got my DNA results back and I had my fingers crossed there wouldn't be monkey DNA in there. I was relieved. No monkey DNA. Plenty of Irish alcohol though.So let's be clear.I believe we came from a Creator and I am not religious. We didn't come from apes and we didn't arrive with a Big Bang.Not a fact, it is a theory, big difference. And if we descended from an ape, why are there still apes?This question has been asked AND answered scores of times, including on page one of this string.I've asked the same question a number of times and never got an answer.
Or My OP:
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
You're Willfully Blinded by your religious indoctrination/conviction.
But let's do it AGAIN.
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
John Rennie, Editor in Chief
Scientific American - June 2002
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law.You've seen the answers HUNDREDS of times you knot heads.
Many people learned in Elementary School that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do NOT use the terms that way, however.
According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a Well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are Not expressing reservations about its truth.
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the Fact of evolution.
[......]
6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of Ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does Not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.
The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.
[.....]
No matter, you'll try the same Brain Dead questions/denial next week.
You're members of a religious Cult.
`
You and the other Clown were 100% ANSWERED as to [your abuse of] 'Theory', and 'why are there still monkeys?'
PERIOD.
You can choose to believe any BS you want.
So the F*** what?
Science/Evolution has Evidence, you have NONE.
Bye clowns.
`
And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.,We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
That Wrong-headed thinking is Precisely why I explained "God of the Gaps".Didn't all that shit have a Creator? Or did it appear in a turd blossom?"We" evolved from a common primate ancestor, as Chimps and Gorillas. It, in turn, from simpler mammals, and so back to one-celled animals.OK, but what is the world shaking big deal? And just where did we come from?You Dishonest 12 IQ Dope.Theories are like assholes. Everybody has at least one. I just got my DNA results back and I had my fingers crossed there wouldn't be monkey DNA in there. I was relieved. No monkey DNA. Plenty of Irish alcohol though.
I just explained that for the 100th Time.
Scientific theories are NOT like the colloquial usage of 'theory', they are NOT just guesses.
You are Too Stupid to debate.
and BTW, your DNA is 98.6% the same as a Chimps, as only evolution would predict.
In your case, probably 99.9%.
Perhaps your future ancestors will even walk upright.
`
When/how did any life first appear? .. we don't know YET.
BUT that is NO reason to invoke a god/dog...
The Same FAILED reasoning that we had Ten Thousand other FAILED 'gods': Fire, Lightning, Fertility, etc.
"OK, so where does Fire/Babies come from?"
They didn't know [YET], so they created a 'god'. Hasn't Ever worked.
That Stupid/Fallacious thinking is called...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
God of the gaps (or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know yet" as an alternative that works better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]
The God of the Gaps is a didit fallacy and an ad hoc fallacy, as well as an argument from incredulity or an argument from ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy."..."
`
'So instead of understanding.. you "God of the Gaps" again!
We clearly have an IQ/Common-sense issue that makes further discussion impossible.
ooof
`
we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]
How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
`
We share a common ancestor with pigs and even fish. When that living thing crawled out of the water for the first time there were not land creatures already here. There were not already giraffe and goats and snakes. That fish that crawled out of the water ended up becoming all the diverse life you see on the planet today.
Now I do keep an open mind that maybe just maybe reptiles came from a different fish that crawled out of the water and we came from a different fish that crawled out of another spot at another time, and so on. I am open to that but science says we are all related.
But no theist can tell us how giraffe got here. Were they always giraffe? Who came first the parents or the baby giraffe? And how do you explain that?
What is your favorite alternative to evolution?
10 Alternatives to Evolution - Listverse
What created your deity?One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using godWho posted anything about God or religion? Not me.What is pretty silly is to think all creation....just happened. That somehow the enormous universe just came about without any involvement from anyone or anything. That man somehow evolved into a thinking species capable of creating amazing things, but all other species did not and this just...happened with no outside force making it happen.
Seems illogical to me.
gipper
Exactly. Even if I were able to believe in an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, petulant, vicious, creature who creates and destroys on a whim, there's just no way that I could believe "he' created the earth, the planets, the stars, plant and animal (including the human animal) life and then rested on Sunday.
Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!
To think it all magically happened, is to not think.
At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
And the evidence for your beliefs are?I believe we came from a Creator and I am not religious. We didn't come from apes and we didn't arrive with a Big Bang.Not a fact, it is a theory, big difference. And if we descended from an ape, why are there still apes?This question has been asked AND answered scores of times, including on page one of this string.I've asked the same question a number of times and never got an answer.
Or My OP:
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
You're Willfully Blinded by your religious indoctrination/conviction.
But let's do it AGAIN.
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
John Rennie, Editor in Chief
Scientific American - June 2002
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law.You've seen the answers HUNDREDS of times you knot heads.
Many people learned in Elementary School that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do NOT use the terms that way, however.
According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a Well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are Not expressing reservations about its truth.
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the Fact of evolution.
[......]
6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of Ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does Not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.
The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.
[.....]
No matter, you'll try the same Brain Dead questions/denial next week.
You're members of a religious Cult.
`
How much Neanderthal? 4% here. Now there is partial proof of evolution.Theories are like assholes. Everybody has at least one. I just got my DNA results back and I had my fingers crossed there wouldn't be monkey DNA in there. I was relieved. No monkey DNA. Plenty of Irish alcohol though.So let's be clear.I believe we came from a Creator and I am not religious. We didn't come from apes and we didn't arrive with a Big Bang.Not a fact, it is a theory, big difference. And if we descended from an ape, why are there still apes?This question has been asked AND answered scores of times, including on page one of this string.I've asked the same question a number of times and never got an answer.
Or My OP:
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
You're Willfully Blinded by your religious indoctrination/conviction.
But let's do it AGAIN.
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
John Rennie, Editor in Chief
Scientific American - June 2002
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law.You've seen the answers HUNDREDS of times you knot heads.
Many people learned in Elementary School that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do NOT use the terms that way, however.
According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a Well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are Not expressing reservations about its truth.
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the Fact of evolution.
[......]
6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of Ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does Not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.
The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.
[.....]
No matter, you'll try the same Brain Dead questions/denial next week.
You're members of a religious Cult.
`
You and the other Clown were 100% ANSWERED as to [your abuse of] 'Theory', and 'why are there still monkeys?'
PERIOD.
You can choose to believe any BS you want.
So the F*** what?
Science/Evolution has Evidence, you have NONE.
Bye clowns.
`
What created your deity?One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using godWho posted anything about God or religion? Not me.gipper
Exactly. Even if I were able to believe in an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, petulant, vicious, creature who creates and destroys on a whim, there's just no way that I could believe "he' created the earth, the planets, the stars, plant and animal (including the human animal) life and then rested on Sunday.
Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!
To think it all magically happened, is to not think.
At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
What created your deity?One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using godWho posted anything about God or religion? Not me.gipper
Exactly. Even if I were able to believe in an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, petulant, vicious, creature who creates and destroys on a whim, there's just no way that I could believe "he' created the earth, the planets, the stars, plant and animal (including the human animal) life and then rested on Sunday.
Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!
To think it all magically happened, is to not think.
At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
That is fine. For you. For me, I question everything. I see no reason for there being a Deity, but I really don't have enough knowledge to state that there is not one. As for evolution, I will go with the fossils and DNA evidenc. And, by the way, Hoss, you have over 95% of the same DNA as a chimpanzee.The common sense issue is that I believe in God/Creator and I don't question it.That Wrong-headed thinking is Precisely why I explained "God of the Gaps".Didn't all that shit have a Creator? Or did it appear in a turd blossom?"We" evolved from a common primate ancestor, as Chimps and Gorillas. It, in turn, from simpler mammals, and so back to one-celled animals.OK, but what is the world shaking big deal? And just where did we come from?You Dishonest 12 IQ Dope.
I just explained that for the 100th Time.
Scientific theories are NOT like the colloquial usage of 'theory', they are NOT just guesses.
You are Too Stupid to debate.
and BTW, your DNA is 98.6% the same as a Chimps, as only evolution would predict.
In your case, probably 99.9%.
Perhaps your future ancestors will even walk upright.
`
When/how did any life first appear? .. we don't know YET.
BUT that is NO reason to invoke a god/dog...
The Same FAILED reasoning that we had Ten Thousand other FAILED 'gods': Fire, Lightning, Fertility, etc.
"OK, so where does Fire/Babies come from?"
They didn't know [YET], so they created a 'god'. Hasn't Ever worked.
That Stupid/Fallacious thinking is called...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
God of the gaps (or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know yet" as an alternative that works better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]
The God of the Gaps is a didit fallacy and an ad hoc fallacy, as well as an argument from incredulity or an argument from ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy."..."
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'So instead of understanding.. you "God of the Gaps" again!
We clearly have an IQ/Common-sense issue that makes further discussion impossible.
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What created your deity?One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using godWho posted anything about God or religion? Not me.Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!
To think it all magically happened, is to not think.
At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
Peter Paul & Mary
we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
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Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
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The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
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How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
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And the evidence for your beliefs are?I believe we came from a Creator and I am not religious. We didn't come from apes and we didn't arrive with a Big Bang.Not a fact, it is a theory, big difference. And if we descended from an ape, why are there still apes?This question has been asked AND answered scores of times, including on page one of this string.I've asked the same question a number of times and never got an answer.
Or My OP:
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
You're Willfully Blinded by your religious indoctrination/conviction.
But let's do it AGAIN.
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
John Rennie, Editor in Chief
Scientific American - June 2002
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law.You've seen the answers HUNDREDS of times you knot heads.
Many people learned in Elementary School that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do NOT use the terms that way, however.
According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a Well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are Not expressing reservations about its truth.
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the Fact of evolution.
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6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of Ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does Not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.
The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.
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No matter, you'll try the same Brain Dead questions/denial next week.
You're members of a religious Cult.
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we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]
How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
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OK, silly ass, just post us a link that says that. You cannot because it is simply not true. We share DNA with all mammals, but the one with which we share the most DNA is the Chimpanzee. Don't know why you 'Conservatives' are forever pulling nonsense out of your ass.
we share over 90 percent of our DNA with pigs does that mean we are descended from Pigs too? There are NO fossil records to support the theory that is a bald faced lie. And DNA wise we are similar to numerous other animals. Once again name a single other supposed Mammal that evolved into 2 separate distinct species other then this supposed ape man thing.That's laughably False.And yet absolutely NO evidence other then this made up story that a mammal has EVER evolved into 2 distinct species before or after.We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.
That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
We obviously don't have videotape, but we have extensive fossil and DNA Evidence.
We have One fused Chromosome as all that separates us from Great Apes, and our, and most animal species having Useless anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors. Not ID, but Messy work.
yes, from ANOTHER String already posted here
WTF!
More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges
Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.
Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]
Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."
Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]
How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
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OK, silly ass, just post us a link that says that. You cannot because it is simply not true. We share DNA with all mammals, but the one with which we share the most DNA is the Chimpanzee. Don't know why you 'Conservatives' are forever pulling nonsense out of your ass.
What created your deity?One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using godWho posted anything about God or religion? Not me.Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!
To think it all magically happened, is to not think.
At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
The mind of man
