Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

That bobomengele would talk about shutting down intelligence is enough to induce dangerous hyper-irony shock. That the stupidest bullshitter on this site watches children's television shows in a futile attempt to feel superior is the only part of that post to make sense.
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
How do you think it happened?

The correct answer might be we don't know yet. What's your theory?

If you're going to dismiss our theory tell us yours
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
Why does it have to be intelligent design? Your parents created you. They're just animals. Who created them? Something physical that can be explained by nature.

But what created your intelligent designer? See, your answers bring up more questions that can't be answered. So what makes you comfortable is that there must be an intelligent designer. Not necessarily true.

And who said magically? If you don't know is it always magic?
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
Sounds like god of the gaps. Everything you don't know must be god. Or as you call him intelligent designer
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
If life is ever found on another planet the foundations of Christianity will be rocked. But some Christian experts have anticipated that by declaring UFOs vehicles of the Devil. Others point to Ezekiel's "Wheel in the middle of a wheel

Ezekiel 1:16 Context

was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning. 15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. and they turned not when they went.When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. were full of eyes round about them four.As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
 
Early Primate Evolution:  The First Primates
Among the numerous Miocene primate species were the ancestors of all modern apes and humans. By 14 million years ago, the group of apes that included our ancestors was apparently in the process of adapting to life on the edges of the expanding savannas in Southern Europe. They were very likely members of the genus Dryopithecus , which were generally similar in appearance to modern African apes. These apes evolved mostly during a relatively short global heat wave that began around 15 million years ago. This caused enough polar ice to melt so that sea levels once again rose 80-130 feet.


Toward the end of the Miocene, less hospitable cooler conditions in the northern hemisphere once again caused many primate species to become extinct while some survived by migrating south into Africa and South Asia where it remained relatively warm. About 8-9 million years ago, the descendants of the dryopithecines in Africa diverged into two lines--one that led to gorillas and another to humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos. Around 7 million years ago, a further divergence occurred which separated the ancestors of modern chimpanzees and bonobos from the early hominins (human-like primates) that were our direct ancestors.
 
We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.

That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
Curiously, the elusive missing link that would establish a nexus between the hominids and the apes has never been found if it ever existed at all. The Australopithecines ...lucy and the gang... are the closest thing to it thus far
Science has already explained this. You aren't going to find a missing link. Do you see the difference between your grandfather and your grandson? There is a difference but you can't see it because it happens so gradually over time. If you have a million years you'll see it.


All we have is the word of scientists who claim to have studied the fossil record. Hopefully, they are telling us the truth.
 
Here is the evidence! Pretty fucking solid...

Early Hominin Evolution: Discovery of Early Hominids

Discovery of Early Hominins


The immediate ancestors of humans were members of the genus Australopithecus . The australopithecines (or australopiths) were intermediate between apes and people. Both australopithecines and humans are biologically similar enough to be classified as members of the same biological tribe--the Hominini . All people, past and present, along with the australopithecines are hominins . We share in common not only the fact that we evolved from the same ape ancestors in Africa but that both genera are habitually bipedal , or two-footed, upright walkers. By comparison, chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas are primarily quadrupedal , or four-footed.

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Over the last decade, there have been a number of important fossil discoveries in Africa of what may be very early transitional ape/hominins, or proto-hominins. These creatures lived just after the divergence from our common hominid ancestor with chimpanzees and bonobos, during the late Miocene and early Pliocene Epochs. The fossils have been tentatively classified as members of three distinct genera--Sahelanthropus , Orrorin , and Ardipithecus . Sahelanthropus was the earliest, dating 7-6 million years ago. Orrorin lived about 6 million years ago, while Ardipithecus remains have been dated to 5.8-4.4 million years ago. At present, the vote is still out as to whether any of these three primates were in fact true hominins and if they were our ancestors. The classification of Sahelanthropus has been the most in question.

The earliest australopithecines very likely did not evolve until 5 million years ago or shortly thereafter (during the beginning of the Pliocene Epoch) in East Africa. The primate fossil record for this crucial transitional period leading to australopithecines is still scanty and somewhat confusing. However, by about 4.2 million years ago, unquestionable australopithecines were present. By 3 million years ago, they were common in both East and South Africa. Some have been found dating to this period in North Central Africa also. As the australopithecines evolved, they exploited more types of environments. Their early proto-hominin ancestors had been predominantly tropical forest animals. However, African forests were progressively giving way to sparse woodlands and dry grasslands, or savannas . The australopithecines took advantage of these new conditions. In the more open environments, bipedalism would very likely have been an advantage.

By 2.5 million years ago, there were at least 2 evolutionary lines of hominins descended from the early australopithecines. One line apparently was adapted primarily to the food resources in lake margin grassland environments and had an omnivorous diet that increasingly included meat. Among them were our early human ancestors who started to make stone tools by this time. The other line seems to have lived more in mixed grassland and woodland environments, like the earlier australopithecines, and was primarily vegetarian. This second, more conservative line of early hominins died out by 1 million years ago or shortly before then. It is likely that all of the early hominins, including humans, supplemented their diets with protein and fat rich termites and ants just as some chimpanzees do today.

Major early
hominin sites


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History of Discovery


In his 1871 book entitled The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex, Charles Darwin speculated that fossils of the earliest humans and their immediate progenitors ultimately would be found somewhere in Africa. He based this on the fact that the natural range of our nearest living relatives, chimpanzees and gorillas, is limited to Africa. He concluded that we ultimately must have shared a now extinct common ancestor with those apes in Africa. This view was mostly rejected by the scientific world of the time. Before the 1920's, knowledge of our fossil ancestors only went back to the Neandertals in Europe and some presumably earlier human-like forms from Java, in Southeast Asia. Few researchers were willing to estimate the time period of the earliest hominins at much more than 100,000 years, and there was no inkling of anything older from Africa. In addition, there was a bias among the predominantly European paleoanthropologists against accepting early Africans as the ancestors of all humanity.

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Raymond Dart
(1893-1989)

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"Taung child" reconstruction
(Australopithecus africanus)

In 1924, Raymond Dart, an Australian anatomy professor at the University of Witerwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa, obtained a fossil skull that had been blasted out of a nearby limestone quarry at Taung . It took him 73 days to chisel the skull free from its surrounding stone matrix and 4 years of spare time to free the jaw and the fossilized brain. However, long before then, Dart recognized the importance of this find. In 1925 he named it Australopithecus africanus (literally "southern ape from Africa"). Because of its small size, he called it the "Taung baby." In fact, its teeth indicate that it was a 3-4 year old child. Despite its relatively small brain, he concluded that this species was intermediate between apes and humans. He based this mainly on the shape and position of the base of the brain cast. It indicated that the foramen magnum , or hole in the skull through which the spinal cord passes, pointed downward and was nearly at the central balance point of the skull. This meant that the Taung child must have been bipedal. In addition, the canine teeth were relatively short. In both of these traits, the Taung child was much more like a human than an ape. Most paleoanthropologists in the 1920's rejected Dart's claims that Australopithecus africanus was intermediate between apes and humans in favor of the view that it was just an ape. Dart's claims were not widely accepted until the late 1940's.

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Robert Broom
(1866-1951)


Following Dart's discovery, several other caves were investigated in South Africa. Most of the work was done by Robert Broom from 1936 through the 1940's. Broom was a medical doctor and an enthusiastic amateur paleontologist from Scotland. In 1903, he was appointed professor of geology at the University of Stellenbosch in South Africa and became internationally respected for his studies of early mammal-like reptiles. His insistence on the correctness of the theory of evolution led to his dismissal from this conservative religious university in 1910. Consequently, he returned to being a medical doctor in a rural town in South Africa but continued paleontological research in his spare time. In 1934, at the age of 68, he retired from his medical practice and joined the staff of the Transvaal Museum in Pretoria as a paleoanthropologist. The rest of his life was spent searching for early hominin fossils.

Robert Broom's most important discoveries were made in the Sterkfontein valley of South Africa. It was there in 1936 that he found the first known adult Australopithecus africanus while excavating in Sterkfontein cave. In 1938, he discovered more fossil remains of africanus and other early hominins in Kromdraai cave. Some of these fossils were larger boned and more muscular with powerful jaws. Broom named them Paranthropus robustus (Paranthropus means "parallel to man"). Significantly, these robust hominins also differed in having a sagittal crest , or ridge of bone extending from front to back, along the midline of the top of the skull. A sagittal crest serves as an anchor attachment for exceptionally large, strong jaw muscles. This skeletal feature is also present in large apes but not in africanus or humans.

Australopithecus africanus
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Paranthropus robustus
 
Explain to me how all this evidence has been found if humanity didn't come from it?

In 1948, Robert Broom found more paranthropoid fossils at
Swartkrans cave in South Africa. Following that excavation, he dedicated the rest of his life to writing everything known about all of the early hominins. He completed this compendium work in 1951. He was 85 years old and ill. As he finally finished his writing, he reportedly said "now it is done and so am I." He died a few minutes later.


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Leopard canines fit
punctures in hominin
skull from Swartkrans

Between 1965 and 1983, Swartkrans cave was carefully reinvestigated by another South African paleoanthropologist, C. K. Brain, using more thorough field and laboratory techniques than had been used by Robert Broom a generation earlier. Many thousands of bone fragments, including the remains of 130 individual hominins, were recovered by Brain. These bones were from australopithecines and paranthropoids as well as early members of our genus, Homo. Because many of the bones had chewing marks and at least one of the skulls had peculiar depressions reminiscent of punctures made by the canine teeth of a leopard, Brain hypothesized that some of the Swartkrans hominins had been eaten by these big cats. The early hominin fossil-bearing strata in the cave also contained 195 stones that were from locations distant from the cave. Brain believed that 30 of them may have been used as tools or weapons. In any case, the presence of these stones suggests that not all of the early hominins in the cave were there as a result of being the victims of carnivores.

Unfortunately, most of the South African sites where early hominin fossils have been found are not easily dated because they lack association with volcanic deposits that would readily allow radiometric dating. That is not the case with most of the early hominin sites in East Africa.

The oldest fossil hominins have been recovered from sites in East Africa, especially in the Great Rift Valley. One of the most important sites there is Olduvai Gorge . It is an approximately 30 mile (48 km.) long, eroded canyon complex cutting into the Serengeti Plain in Northern Tanzania. It is only about 295 feet (90 m.) deep, but its neatly stratified layers of dirt and rock interspersed with easily datable volcanic ash and lava layers cover the last 2.1 million years of geological and evolutionary history. The remains of many australopithecines, paranthropoids, and early humans have been found at Olduvai. When these ancient hominins lived there, it was a lake margin grassland area that had abundant plant food and meat sources that could be exploited by scavenging.

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Mary and Louis Leakey with
the "Zinjanthropus boisei"
palate and a modern human
skull in 1959

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Zinjanthropus boisei
(Paranthropus boisei)


Early hominin fossils from Olduvai Gorge are known mostly as a result of the many expeditions of Louis and Mary Leakey . Louis began searching there in 1931, and his second wife Mary joined him in 1935. However, it was not until 1959 that they found their first early hominin fossil. Louis gave it a new genus and species designation, Zinjanthropus boisei (literally "East African man"). Subsequently, it was recognized to be only a super robust paranthropoid. It is now generally referred to as Paranthropus boisei . Using the then new potassium-argon dating method, the fossil was determined to be 1.75 ± .25 million years old. This was a startlingly early date when it was made public in 1959. Louis Leakey and Zinjanthropus instantly became international media stars, and both of their pictures were on the front page of newspapers around the world. Louis was also the focus of several television documentary programs. In the years after his death in 1972, Mary became well known as a paleoanthropologist in her own right.

NOTE: Louis Leakey gave his Zinjanthropus find the species name boisei in honor of Charles Boise, a wealthy American who funded fieldwork by the Leakeys.

In 1974, a team of paleoanthropologists, under the direction of an American, Donald Johanson, found an even more ancient species of australopithecine at the Hadar site in the Afar Desert region of Northern Ethiopia. It was a 40% complete skeleton of an adult female whom they named Lucy. She had been only 3 feet 3 inches (1 m.) tall with a slender body weighing only about 60 pounds (27 kg.). She lived 3.2-3.18 million years ago. Johanson concluded that Lucy was from a different species than had been previously discovered. He classified her as an Australopithecus afarensis (named for the Afar region). Many other specimens of this species and later ones were found in Ethiopia since 1974, but none is as complete as Lucy.

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"Lucy" skeleton (Australopithecus afarensis)

Finding Lucy--how she was discovered
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Becoming a Fossil--how Lucy was preserved
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Early hominin footprints
at Laetoli, Tanzania


About 30 miles south of Olduvai Gorge in Northern Tanzania is the Laetoli site. It was investigated in the late 1930's by Louis and Mary Leakey, but no fossil hominins were found at that time. Mary Leakey returned to Laetoli with Tim White, an American paleoanthropologist in 1978. They found bones of what were likely Australopithecus afarensis dating 3.7-3.5 million years ago (several hundred thousand years older than Lucy). They also found 59 footprints of bipedal hominins (presumably afarensis) in a now hardened volcanic ash layer. These individuals walked in two close parallel tracks across volcanic dust at least 3.5 million years ago. The footprints look almost like those of modern humans. They are narrow with a low arch, and they clearly show that the big toe was in line with the others. These are all traits of humans but not of apes. Based on the characteristics of the footprints, Mary Leakey concluded that their makers were adults who were 4 feet 9 inches and 4 feet 1 inch tall and that they walked parallel to each other in a strolling fashion with relatively short strides. In addition, there are a child's footprints within those of the larger adult.

Laetoli Footprints--how they were formed and preserved
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The "Black Skull"
(Paranthropus aethiopicus)


In northern Kenya and southern Ethiopia, there is an arid region around Lake Turkana in the Great Rift Valley that has exposed geological deposits dating to at least 4.3 million years ago. Richard Leakey, the son of Mary and Louis Leakey, began looking for hominin fossils there in the late 1960's. During the 1970's, his team of field researchers from the National Museum of Kenya made a number of important finds, including fossils of early humans who will be described in the next tutorial of this series.

While working on the western side of Lake Turkana in 1985, an American paleoanthropologist named Alan Walker made an important discovery. This was a nearly complete paranthropoid skull with an unusually large sagittal crest and some features reminiscent of the more ancient Australopithecus anamensis (described below). Manganese in the soil deposit where it was located stained it black. As a result, this unusual fossil has become known as the "black skull." It has been classified as Paranthropus aethiopicus (named after Ethiopia). Since it dates to 2.5 million years ago, it is a prime candidate for being the earliest paranthropoid species.

In 1995, Meave Leakey, the wife of Richard Leakey, began discovering bones of a very early australopithecine species at several sites southwest of Lake Turkana. She named it Australopithecus anamensis ("anam" is "lake" in the Turkana language). The dentition of this hominin seems to be transitional between apes and later australopithecines. This fits with the 4.2-3.9 million year dates for the volcanic ash associated with the anamensis fossils. The shapes of the arm and leg bones of this species indicate that it was bipedal. Anamensis is currently the earliest known australopithecine species. Bones from at least 8 more anamensis skeletons have been found in Ethiopia.

In 1996, Berhane Asfaw, an Ethiopian researcher, and Tim White found a 2.5 million year old hominin fossil in the Middle Awash Valley of Ethiopia that remains problematical. The skull characteristics are similar in some ways to Australopithecus afarensis, but it lived several hundred thousand years after that species had presumably ended. Asfaw named his new hominin, Australopithecus garhi ("garhi" is "surprise" in one of the languages of the Afar Desert region). Whether or not garhi was a late afarensis, a variant of africanus, or a distinct species is not clear. Associated with the remains of garhi were animal bones with what appear to be cut marks made by simple stone tools. If they were using such tools, this is remarkable because only early humans have heretofore been associated with stone tool making.

In 2001, Meave Leakey announced the discovery of a 3.5-3.2 million year old hominin skull from the west side of Lake Turkana. She suggested that this fossil may displace Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) as the progenitor of humans. Meave named it Kenyanthropus platyops ("flat-faced man of Kenya"). This hominin lived during the same time period as Lucy. However, it had a comparatively large, flat face and smaller teeth. The latter characteristic suggests that Kenyanthropus regularly ate softer foods than did Lucy. However, it is not yet clear where this new discovery fits within our evolution. Some paleoanthropologists have suggested that it is only a variant of Australopithecus afarensis.


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Early Primate Evolution: The First Primates
Among the numerous Miocene primate species were the ancestors of all modern apes and humans. By 14 million years ago, the group of apes that included our ancestors was apparently in the process of adapting to life on the edges of the expanding savannas in Southern Europe. They were very likely members of the genus Dryopithecus , which were generally similar in appearance to modern African apes. These apes evolved mostly during a relatively short global heat wave that began around 15 million years ago. This caused enough polar ice to melt so that sea levels once again rose 80-130 feet.


Toward the end of the Miocene, less hospitable cooler conditions in the northern hemisphere once again caused many primate species to become extinct while some survived by migrating south into Africa and South Asia where it remained relatively warm. About 8-9 million years ago, the descendants of the dryopithecines in Africa diverged into two lines--one that led to gorillas and another to humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos. Around 7 million years ago, a further divergence occurred which separated the ancestors of modern chimpanzees and bonobos from the early hominins (human-like primates) that were our direct ancestors.
But just where are the bones of that common ancestor? Without them, the divergent ancestor of man and ape remains a mythical creature.
 
No chance. Evolution may account for the differences within a species, but it does not account for new species.

Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
If life is ever found on another planet the foundations of Christianity will be rocked. But some Christian experts have anticipated that by declaring UFOs vehicles of the Devil. Others point to Ezekiel's "Wheel in the middle of a wheel

Ezekiel 1:16 Context

was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning. 15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. and they turned not when they went.When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. were full of eyes round about them four.As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
Actually I know lots of Christians who don't think we are alone. So I think Christianity will just easily overcome that by moving the goalpost.

Besides, I read the Bible. Where does it say we are the only life in the universe?

Christians easily blow off the old testament as if god made all those mistakes then hit the new testament reset button
 
Here is the evidence! Pretty fucking solid...

Early Hominin Evolution: Discovery of Early Hominids

Discovery of Early Hominins


The immediate ancestors of humans were members of the genus Australopithecus . The australopithecines (or australopiths) were intermediate between apes and people. Both australopithecines and humans are biologically similar enough to be classified as members of the same biological tribe--the Hominini . All people, past and present, along with the australopithecines are hominins . We share in common not only the fact that we evolved from the same ape ancestors in Africa but that both genera are habitually bipedal , or two-footed, upright walkers. By comparison, chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas are primarily quadrupedal , or four-footed.

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Over the last decade, there have been a number of important fossil discoveries in Africa of what may be very early transitional ape/hominins, or proto-hominins. These creatures lived just after the divergence from our common hominid ancestor with chimpanzees and bonobos, during the late Miocene and early Pliocene Epochs. The fossils have been tentatively classified as members of three distinct genera--Sahelanthropus , Orrorin , and Ardipithecus . Sahelanthropus was the earliest, dating 7-6 million years ago. Orrorin lived about 6 million years ago, while Ardipithecus remains have been dated to 5.8-4.4 million years ago. At present, the vote is still out as to whether any of these three primates were in fact true hominins and if they were our ancestors. The classification of Sahelanthropus has been the most in question.

The earliest australopithecines very likely did not evolve until 5 million years ago or shortly thereafter (during the beginning of the Pliocene Epoch) in East Africa. The primate fossil record for this crucial transitional period leading to australopithecines is still scanty and somewhat confusing. However, by about 4.2 million years ago, unquestionable australopithecines were present. By 3 million years ago, they were common in both East and South Africa. Some have been found dating to this period in North Central Africa also. As the australopithecines evolved, they exploited more types of environments. Their early proto-hominin ancestors had been predominantly tropical forest animals. However, African forests were progressively giving way to sparse woodlands and dry grasslands, or savannas . The australopithecines took advantage of these new conditions. In the more open environments, bipedalism would very likely have been an advantage.

By 2.5 million years ago, there were at least 2 evolutionary lines of hominins descended from the early australopithecines. One line apparently was adapted primarily to the food resources in lake margin grassland environments and had an omnivorous diet that increasingly included meat. Among them were our early human ancestors who started to make stone tools by this time. The other line seems to have lived more in mixed grassland and woodland environments, like the earlier australopithecines, and was primarily vegetarian. This second, more conservative line of early hominins died out by 1 million years ago or shortly before then. It is likely that all of the early hominins, including humans, supplemented their diets with protein and fat rich termites and ants just as some chimpanzees do today.

Major early
hominin sites


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History of Discovery


In his 1871 book entitled The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex, Charles Darwin speculated that fossils of the earliest humans and their immediate progenitors ultimately would be found somewhere in Africa. He based this on the fact that the natural range of our nearest living relatives, chimpanzees and gorillas, is limited to Africa. He concluded that we ultimately must have shared a now extinct common ancestor with those apes in Africa. This view was mostly rejected by the scientific world of the time. Before the 1920's, knowledge of our fossil ancestors only went back to the Neandertals in Europe and some presumably earlier human-like forms from Java, in Southeast Asia. Few researchers were willing to estimate the time period of the earliest hominins at much more than 100,000 years, and there was no inkling of anything older from Africa. In addition, there was a bias among the predominantly European paleoanthropologists against accepting early Africans as the ancestors of all humanity.

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Raymond Dart
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This skull looks more like a Neanderthal than an Australopithecine ..
 
We're primates that developed from a common ancestor 5-7 million years ago that yes was an ape.

That is a fact....The evidence is very strong.
Curiously, the elusive missing link that would establish a nexus between the hominids and the apes has never been found if it ever existed at all. The Australopithecines ...lucy and the gang... are the closest thing to it thus far
Science has already explained this. You aren't going to find a missing link. Do you see the difference between your grandfather and your grandson? There is a difference but you can't see it because it happens so gradually over time. If you have a million years you'll see it.


All we have is the word of scientists who claim to have studied the fossil record. Hopefully, they are telling us the truth.

Probably they aren't all lying.

This reminds me of how conservatives believe the GW scientists are lying, not the oil companies. The church is the oil company. Very very big business.

Is there an industry bigger than religion? I don't think so. Add them all up
 
Sure it does. Eventually, species will evolve and become so different they no longer interbreed and they are then considered different species.

How Do New Species Evolve?
Prometheus Bound

What species has been evolving from us? Homo sapiens implies that only High IQs are human. They invented everything that prevented the rest from living like wild animals, so that's what the rest really are. But the ungrateful and insulting subhumans credit everything good to their King Apes; that's why our simian rulers try to humiliate High IQs from childhood on, to keep them from manning up. Any smart person who acts like a gutless conformist nerd weakling is a traitor to his species.

It is so true. If a kid shows superior intelligence in church the preacher or nun will shut that shit down lickity split. Sure the occasional person like me escapes the brainwashing after 30 years but by then is it too late? And if one smart person tells 3 dummies they are dumb, will they believe him?

I watch religious shows for kids. Those kids are being brainwashed and the group is not having an honest discussion. Kids aren't free or comfortable to speak their minds and ultimately even if the kid does ask enough questions the preacher is going to tell him he/she just has to have faith in the ridiculous.
When the smallest living thing on the planet is complex in it's design (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)....oh it just happened this way MAGICALLY....
If life is ever found on another planet the foundations of Christianity will be rocked. But some Christian experts have anticipated that by declaring UFOs vehicles of the Devil. Others point to Ezekiel's "Wheel in the middle of a wheel

Ezekiel 1:16 Context

was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning. 15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. and they turned not when they went.When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. were full of eyes round about them four.As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
Actually I know lots of Christians who don't think we are alone. So I think Christianity will just easily overcome that by moving the goalpost.

Besides, I read the Bible. Where does it say we are the only life in the universe?

Christians easily blow off the old testament as if god made all those mistakes then hit the new testament reset button
Agreed! What Christian knows the true nature of Heaven? Jesus was, after all, an extraterrestrial. But it seems the only way they can get here is through a woman's vagina. Leaving is far easier... all you have to do is die!
 
We are straying rather far from the OP.

Simply put, we have DNA studies that now show our relationships with the rest of life on earth. We also have a very extensive fossil record, clear back to almost 4 billion years ago.


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3.77-billion-year-old fossils stake new claim to oldest evidence of life

By Carolyn GramlingMar. 1, 2017 , 1:00 PM

Life on Earth may have originated in the sunless depths of the ocean rather than shallow seas. In a new study, scientists studying 3.77-billion-year-old rocks have found tubelike fossils similar to structures found at hydrothermal vents, which host thriving biological communities. That would make them more than 300 million years older than the most ancient signs of life on Earth—fossilized microbial mats called stromatolites that grew in shallow seas. Other scientists are skeptical about the new claims.

“The authors offer a convincing set of observations that could signify life,” says Kurt Konhauser, a geomicrobiologist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, who was not involved in the study. But “at present, I do not see a way in which we will definitively prove ancient life at 3.8 billion years ago.”

When life first emerged on Earth has been an enduring and frustrating mystery. The planet is 4.55 billion years old, but thanks to plate tectonics and the constant recycling of Earth’s crust, only a handful of rock outcrops remain that are older than 3 billion years, including 3.7-billion-year-old formations in Greenland’s Isua Greenstone Belt. And these rocks tend to be twisted up and chemically altered by heat and pressure, making it devilishly difficult to detect unequivocal signs of life.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...-fossils-stake-new-claim-oldest-evidence-life
 
We are straying rather far from the OP.

Simply put, we have DNA studies that now show our relationships with the rest of life on earth. We also have a very extensive fossil record, clear back to almost 4 billion years ago.


cc_Image2-HI-RES_16x9.jpg


3.77-billion-year-old fossils stake new claim to oldest evidence of life

By Carolyn GramlingMar. 1, 2017 , 1:00 PM

Life on Earth may have originated in the sunless depths of the ocean rather than shallow seas. In a new study, scientists studying 3.77-billion-year-old rocks have found tubelike fossils similar to structures found at hydrothermal vents, which host thriving biological communities. That would make them more than 300 million years older than the most ancient signs of life on Earth—fossilized microbial mats called stromatolites that grew in shallow seas. Other scientists are skeptical about the new claims.

“The authors offer a convincing set of observations that could signify life,” says Kurt Konhauser, a geomicrobiologist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, who was not involved in the study. But “at present, I do not see a way in which we will definitively prove ancient life at 3.8 billion years ago.”

When life first emerged on Earth has been an enduring and frustrating mystery. The planet is 4.55 billion years old, but thanks to plate tectonics and the constant recycling of Earth’s crust, only a handful of rock outcrops remain that are older than 3 billion years, including 3.7-billion-year-old formations in Greenland’s Isua Greenstone Belt. And these rocks tend to be twisted up and chemically altered by heat and pressure, making it devilishly difficult to detect unequivocal signs of life.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...-fossils-stake-new-claim-oldest-evidence-life
I just heard on jeopardy tonight a new bacteria was found at the bottom of the Dead Sea. I wonder if we released it and gave it several million years what would happen. Or a couple billion years.

Evolution deniers don't seem to realize how long the process takes.

I ask religious people and they can never answer logically

1. Why trilobites and then dinosaurs before humans? Weren't we his original intent? Did he just add us to the fish bowl later?

2. How did all the full grown land animals get here if not for evolution

Before evolution everyone thought god poofed us here. It's ridiculous. But really that's what evolution deniers are suggesting. Even I admit science is mind blowing and unfortunately science reduces god to a hypothesis. Not even a theory. Not a scientific one.

Humans need to throw out all the superstitious crap if we're going to evolve. We should already be on Mars.
 
I know there are similarities but I think they are coincidental, like cats and seals both have whiskers. But cats didn't come from seals or vice a versa.


Does anyone believe that?

It seems that christians believe men sprang from nothing and women sprang from a man's rib.

Pretty silly, I know but what is it you believe? And why did you write the post?
What is pretty silly is to think all creation....just happened. That somehow the enormous universe just came about without any involvement from anyone or anything. That man somehow evolved into a thinking species capable of creating amazing things, but all other species did not and this just...happened with no outside force making it happen.

Seems illogical to me.

gipper

Exactly. Even if I were able to believe in an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, petulant, vicious, creature who creates and destroys on a whim, there's just no way that I could believe "he' created the earth, the planets, the stars, plant and animal (including the human animal) life and then rested on Sunday.

Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
Who posted anything about God or religion? Not me.

That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!

To think it all magically happened, is to not think.

At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using god
 
We are straying rather far from the OP.

Simply put, we have DNA studies that now show our relationships with the rest of life on earth. We also have a very extensive fossil record, clear back to almost 4 billion years ago.


cc_Image2-HI-RES_16x9.jpg


3.77-billion-year-old fossils stake new claim to oldest evidence of life

By Carolyn GramlingMar. 1, 2017 , 1:00 PM

Life on Earth may have originated in the sunless depths of the ocean rather than shallow seas. In a new study, scientists studying 3.77-billion-year-old rocks have found tubelike fossils similar to structures found at hydrothermal vents, which host thriving biological communities. That would make them more than 300 million years older than the most ancient signs of life on Earth—fossilized microbial mats called stromatolites that grew in shallow seas. Other scientists are skeptical about the new claims.

“The authors offer a convincing set of observations that could signify life,” says Kurt Konhauser, a geomicrobiologist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, who was not involved in the study. But “at present, I do not see a way in which we will definitively prove ancient life at 3.8 billion years ago.”

When life first emerged on Earth has been an enduring and frustrating mystery. The planet is 4.55 billion years old, but thanks to plate tectonics and the constant recycling of Earth’s crust, only a handful of rock outcrops remain that are older than 3 billion years, including 3.7-billion-year-old formations in Greenland’s Isua Greenstone Belt. And these rocks tend to be twisted up and chemically altered by heat and pressure, making it devilishly difficult to detect unequivocal signs of life.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...-fossils-stake-new-claim-oldest-evidence-life
I just heard on jeopardy tonight a new bacteria was found at the bottom of the Dead Sea. I wonder if we released it and gave it several million years what would happen. Or a couple billion years.

Evolution deniers don't seem to realize how long the process takes.

I ask religious people and they can never answer logically

1. Why trilobites and then dinosaurs before humans? Weren't we his original intent? Did he just add us to the fish bowl later?

2. How did all the full grown land animals get here if not for evolution

Before evolution everyone thought god poofed us here. It's ridiculous. But really that's what evolution deniers are suggesting. Even I admit science is mind blowing and unfortunately science reduces god to a hypothesis. Not even a theory. Not a scientific one.

Humans need to throw out all the superstitious crap if we're going to evolve. We should already be on Mars.





Well, YOU should anyway. You could be the stupidest thing on yet another planet.
 
Does anyone believe that?

It seems that christians believe men sprang from nothing and women sprang from a man's rib.

Pretty silly, I know but what is it you believe? And why did you write the post?
What is pretty silly is to think all creation....just happened. That somehow the enormous universe just came about without any involvement from anyone or anything. That man somehow evolved into a thinking species capable of creating amazing things, but all other species did not and this just...happened with no outside force making it happen.

Seems illogical to me.

gipper

Exactly. Even if I were able to believe in an invisible, all knowing, all seeing, petulant, vicious, creature who creates and destroys on a whim, there's just no way that I could believe "he' created the earth, the planets, the stars, plant and animal (including the human animal) life and then rested on Sunday.

Religious people have an answer for everything. The earth is 14 trillion years old. 7 days, right? So they say to god 1 day is 2 trillion years.
Who posted anything about God or religion? Not me.

That's the thing about you lefties, you automatically think anyone who disputes your kooky evolution THEORY, must think everything in the Bible is true. STFU!

To think it all magically happened, is to not think.

At any rate, evolution can co-exist with a superior being.
I'm still waiting for your alternate theory without using god
One has to be able to think logically, so I am guessing that is not possible for you.

You condemn those who believe in God as akin to believing in fairy tales, while you believe the huge and complex universe just happened magically. Do you fail to see how illogical your position is?
 

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