Do we agree that a fundamental difference between the right and the left is...

[g5000]

While many voters on the right say they hold those beliefs, the people they have voted for over the last 100 years or so do not hold those views.

Is it your view that the right supports government takeover of health care, higher taxes and more social programs, as the left does?

The right supports a government takeover of the entire free market through tax cuts, exemptions, and deductions. And through subsidies.

The Republican party interferes massively in the markets, picking winners and losers.

Individuals earning identical incomes do not pay identical taxes. Corporations earning identical incomes do not pay identical taxes.

You are punished if you do not buy the right things. You are even punished if you do not breed.

You can thank the Right for that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

...we have added 3.09 trillion dollars to the debt...

You blame the right for massive government spending, but give the left a pass. Why?

I do not give the left a pass, I give both sides equal blame while you pretend that one is better than the other in this area.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

...we have added 3.09 trillion dollars to the debt...

You blame the right for massive government spending, but give the left a pass. Why?

Because he's a leftist.

this from the snowflake triggered by a balloon!

 

[task0778]

and the result has been 23 trillion dollars in debt and climbing.

perhaps it is time for a change from that stupid way of voting...remember...when you vote for the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.

And if a fiscal conservative ran, you'd bash them and vote for someone else.

Nope, I voted for the only fiscal conservative that ran in the last 5 elections.

"Fiscal conservatives" are in reality, internationalists who will sell anything for a buck and that includes their own nation. That's extremely not conservative.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. A fiscal conservative wants less gov't deficit spending and less debt. They believe that the economy functions better without gov't intervention, and they support lower taxes and less regulations and free market capitalism.

Internet streaming services that provide hardcore pornography are free market capitalism, unrestrained. You like?

No, I don't like. There are always restraints on free speech, which is basically what you're referring to.

""Fiscal conservatives" are in reality, internationalists who will sell anything for a buck and that includes their own nation. That's extremely not conservative."

Care to elaborate on what you meant? Sounds like total BS to me.

 

[Billiejeens]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

Holy shit REALLY?

This was why Buttsoiler ("Rottweiler") left the board in shame and had to change his name to come back --- he tried to sell the mendacious malarkey that the difference between 'right' and 'left' is 'how big the government is".

NO that's NOT what it means AT ALL so no we absolutely DO NOT agree. This is a contemporary fantasy born of the Dumb-Down set designed to obscure political realities.

The left politicians are the wealthy who insulate themselves from the parasitic class by promising them to take things from everyone and give it to them.
They fool you idiots every time.

 

[K9Buck]

Who was that?

Himself.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

and the result has been 23 trillion dollars in debt and climbing.

perhaps it is time for a change from that stupid way of voting...remember...when you vote for the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.

And if a fiscal conservative ran, you'd bash them and vote for someone else.

Nope, I voted for the only fiscal conservative that ran in the last 5 elections.

Who was that?

Johnson - 2016
Johnson - 2012
Barr - 2008
Badnarik - 2004
Browne - 2000

 

[K9Buck]

They have the hump and jump plan. Screw the people, take the honey, and leave to their private communities as the country burns.

Congress makes a bed for all of us to sleep, but they get to remain in their own bed, insulated from their policies. We need term limits because we need representatives to serve for a few years and then RETURN to the private sector that they helped to mold. Unfortunately, the American left supports being ruled by an elite oligarchy.

 

[K9Buck]

I do not give the left a pass, I give both sides equal blame while you pretend that one is better than the other in this area.

I've seen you bash the right numerous times over spending; I've never seen you bash anyone on the left for it.

I didn't say one is "better" than the other. I said that they are DIFFERENT, and they are and provided examples of HOW they are different. The word "better" is a subjective term that you inserted.

 

[g5000]

yet people claiming to be conservative vote for them every election...weird

Many times, people vote for whom they believe is the lesser of two evils.

And we get greater and greater evils because the voters never hold their team accountable.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They have the hump and jump plan. Screw the people, take the honey, and leave to their private communities as the country burns.

Congress makes a bed for all of us to sleep, but they get to remain in their own bed, insulated from their policies. We need term limits because we need representatives to serve for a few years and then RETURN to the private sector that they helped to mold. Unfortunately, the American left supports being ruled by an elite oligarchy.

once again you blame one side for what both are responsible for.

Here are the reelection rates for members of the House...this does not happen due to one party only...it takes both sides

 

[Billiejeens]

and the result has been 23 trillion dollars in debt and climbing.

perhaps it is time for a change from that stupid way of voting...remember...when you vote for the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.

And if a fiscal conservative ran, you'd bash them and vote for someone else.

Nope, I voted for the only fiscal conservative that ran in the last 5 elections.

Who was that?

Johnson - 2016
Johnson - 2012
Barr - 2008
Badnarik - 2004
Browne - 2000

Nutsy crackers

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I've seen you bash the right numerous times over spending; I've never seen you bash anyone on the left for it.

I didn't say one is "better" than the other. I said that they are DIFFERENT, and they are and provided examples of HOW they are different. The word "better" is a subjective term that you inserted.

Two reasons for that...partially because the right controls the money right now. Nothing can be spent without approval from the Senate and the White House. But mostly because the right pretends to be against more spending, at least the left is honest about their intentions.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

yet people claiming to be conservative vote for them every election...weird

Many times, people vote for whom they believe is the lesser of two evils.

And we get greater and greater evils because the voters never hold their team accountable.

yep, the lesser of two evils gets more evil every time you pick it

 

[Billiejeens]

They have the hump and jump plan. Screw the people, take the honey, and leave to their private communities as the country burns.

Congress makes a bed for all of us to sleep, but they get to remain in their own bed, insulated from their policies. We need term limits because we need representatives to serve for a few years and then RETURN to the private sector that they helped to mold. Unfortunately, the American left supports being ruled by an elite oligarchy.

once again you blame one side for what both are responsible for.

Here are the reelection rates for members of the House...this does not happen due to one party only...it takes both sides

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It comes from the fact that everyone hates incumbents
Except for their person.

 

[g5000]

Golfing Gator

Show me the prominent members of the right that support taking people's taxes to pay for the healthcare of foreigners living here illegally.

I can show you a lot of pseudocons on this forum who believe we should all pay higher tax rates and borrow trillions in order to give tax credits, deductions, and exemptions to corporations.

 

[bripat9643]

yet people claiming to be conservative vote for them every election...weird

Many times, people vote for whom they believe is the lesser of two evils.

And we get greater and greater evils because the voters never hold their team accountable.

Voting scum into leadership is a fundamental feature of democracy.

 

[bripat9643]

Golfing Gator

Show me the prominent members of the right that support taking people's taxes to pay for the healthcare of foreigners living here illegally.

I can show you a lot of pseudocons on this forum who believe we should all pay higher tax rates and borrow trillions in order to give tax credits, deductions, and exemptions to corporations.

You're a psuedocon.

 

[bripat9643]

yet people claiming to be conservative vote for them every election...weird

Many times, people vote for whom they believe is the lesser of two evils.

And we get greater and greater evils because the voters never hold their team accountable.

yep, the lesser of two evils gets more evil every time you pick it

It gets you less evil than picking the greater of two evils.

 

[g5000]

EVERYONE has their hand out.

The motto of the pseudo-Right and the Left is, "Gimme, gimme, gimme and make that guy over there pay for it."