Do liberals even like this country?

[Tehon]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

Of course we want to end unemployment, we want jobs for all, Democrats want to destroy industrys and jobs so people vote for Democrats.


Btw folks on social security got a big raise this year biggest in like 8 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and unique place into something that's already out there?

 

[Tehon]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and only place into something that's already out there?

The USA is destroying itself. Conservatives have done just as much damage as liberals.

 

[2aguy]

Liberals created this country in 1776

While the country at that time was the best our founders could do. Liberals realized we could do better......end slavery, women's rights, worker rights, civil rights, environmental protections, gay rights.

Conservatives fought every inch of the way

Yes....Classical Liberals, the Founders would be called Conservatives if they were alive today......we share the same beliefs as the Founders do...the left wing do not....

 

[2aguy]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

We are failing our people. Why can't you see that?

So what does that have to do with my question? And by "we" do you mean government?

So again, if it's so much better other places, why not move to one of those many other better places?

And the only way those countries exist is because the United States exists. If we weren't around, they would already be in another World War......and there would be chaos....since they couldn't afford to defend themselves and provide their welfare states..........

Our country makes their countries possible.......

and they are ungrateful pricks about it....

 

[2aguy]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

Because they are all failing. Every last one of them is driving this country into insolvency.......

The left winger says, we need to provide for the poor.

The Right winger says we need to provide for those who simply cannot provide for themselves.

Then the left wing ignores the next question..."How do we pay for it."

 

[Wyatt earp]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and unique place into something that's already out there?

That's why the left is so upset with Trump , he is on the side of the real America, Obama tried to fundamentally change America into Europe.


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[2aguy]

Leftism is an ideology of world conquest, the ultimate authoritarianism, globalism.

They can't be happy until everyone belongs to their Borg.

Yup they complain about trickle down, but they so love trickle up poor, trickle up misery....the left will never ever be happy untill everyone's life's suck as much as there's..

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Trickle up works

Put money in the hands of consumers....they spend it
The rich just horde it

It doesn't work when the government takes the money at gun point.

And the rich horde it? Mark Steyn talks about how stupid people like you are....you actually think those who have a lot of money put their gold coins in a big warehouse and spend their free time pushing those piles of coins around with a bull dozer like Scrooge McDuck...

Do you fucking realize that wealthy people invest their money in their businesses, hire more people, create new businesses, make investments in other businesses which means that they make jobs for everyone else...providing those other people with the means to provide for their families....

you truly are a simpleton....

 

[midcan5]

Righties exist in a fantasyland in which reality has no place. Dark Money manages their minds and they follow along even when policies hurt their own interests. It is a weird play in which the players think they are making the moves. Reagan was a large part of their hypnotic state, he told them their government was the problem and they believed. (see link below) The corporations and upper classes benefited and the righties cheered, this was as it should be, Odd that our first president along with Lincoln and Eisenhower all saw this and yet the righties and republicans blinded by propaganda followed and obeyed.

"Populism is unemployment insurance, public education, government-sponsored healthcare, and regulatory laws that protect workers and consumers. If we ever get there, it'll be a minimum income, a 4-day work week, generous paid leave policies, and actual support for new parents. And, yes, we need the negative parts of populism in order to get the positive parts, because none of the positive parts are free. We need money, and the money has to come from somewhere, and the only place it can come from is the rich. Negative populism is thus the foundation on which positive populism stands. But negative populism alone is not populism as such, any more than the foundation of a house by itself is enough to keep you warm in the winter or dry when it rains." Rust Belt Philosophy: See also: special snowflakes, safe spaces, the closing of the American mind, crybabies, trigger warnings, pinkshirts, political correctness, etc. etc. etc.

Jeffrey D. Sachs: Ending the Ronald Reagan lie - The Boston Globe

"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." Quote DB :: Speeches :: George Washington :: George Washington's Farewell Address Speech


"For decades conservatives have been demonizing government and not enough has been done to defend it. Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. This powerful political coalition blithely ignores anything good about government and conducts a relentless smear campaign against this institution. They constantly play upon the fears and insecurities of average Americans and encourage them to blame all their problems on big bad government." Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

 

[rightwinger]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

Maybe because our Constitution doesn't require our federal government to provide.

That is the beautiful thing about the Constitution......We the People get to decide what we want from our Government

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

Maybe because our Constitution doesn't require our federal government to provide.

That is the beautiful thing about the Constitution......We the People get to decide what we want from our Government

No, what the federal government is required to provide is listed in the Constitution. If it were to provide anything we wanted, why would the founders have made a list of what they were to provide?

 

[rightwinger]

Leftism is an ideology of world conquest, the ultimate authoritarianism, globalism.

They can't be happy until everyone belongs to their Borg.

Yup they complain about trickle down, but they so love trickle up poor, trickle up misery....the left will never ever be happy untill everyone's life's suck as much as there's..

.

Trickle up works

Put money in the hands of consumers....they spend it
The rich just horde it

It doesn't work when the government takes the money at gun point.

And the rich horde it? Mark Steyn talks about how stupid people like you are....you actually think those who have a lot of money put their gold coins in a big warehouse and spend their free time pushing those piles of coins around with a bull dozer like Scrooge McDuck...

Do you fucking realize that wealthy people invest their money in their businesses, hire more people, create new businesses, make investments in other businesses which means that they make jobs for everyone else...providing those other people with the means to provide for their families....

you truly are a simpleton....

Gun point?
Where do you live?
I pay my taxes voluntarily

Actually most rich people are not involved in building stuff and hiring people. The mega rich make their money moving it from one place to another. The would just as soon tear down a factory and sell off the pieces as build a new one

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Progtards hate themselves and in turn want everyone to be as miserable as they are.

A truly worthless creature, of no use to a normal society

 

[2aguy]

Leftism is an ideology of world conquest, the ultimate authoritarianism, globalism.

They can't be happy until everyone belongs to their Borg.

Yup they complain about trickle down, but they so love trickle up poor, trickle up misery....the left will never ever be happy untill everyone's life's suck as much as there's..

.

Trickle up works

Put money in the hands of consumers....they spend it
The rich just horde it

It doesn't work when the government takes the money at gun point.

And the rich horde it? Mark Steyn talks about how stupid people like you are....you actually think those who have a lot of money put their gold coins in a big warehouse and spend their free time pushing those piles of coins around with a bull dozer like Scrooge McDuck...

Do you fucking realize that wealthy people invest their money in their businesses, hire more people, create new businesses, make investments in other businesses which means that they make jobs for everyone else...providing those other people with the means to provide for their families....

you truly are a simpleton....

Gun point?
Where do you live?
I pay my taxes voluntarily

Actually most rich people are not involved in building stuff and hiring people. The mega rich make their money moving it from one place to another. The would just as soon tear down a factory and sell off the pieces as build a new one

You really are a simpleton........what exactly are they doing when they move their money...twit.....they are investing it in businesses that create things, like jobs and products that we want and need. What happens when they tear down the old factory and sell it...someone else buys that land and makes a new building where they build homes or open new businesses...please......try to understand how business actually works....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and unique place into something that's already out there?

That's why the left is so upset with Trump , he is on the side of the real America, Obama tried to fundamentally change America into Europe.


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They all want to, that's the point of the topic. What I can't understand is why they would put the time, energy and money into turning the US into a place that's already created to their liking. I mean.... if there was a more conservative capitalist country around that I kept comparing to the US, I would just move there instead of trying to change the US into that country.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

Well Ray there are some on both sides that hate this country when their political party is not in power...

Now what is wrong with looking at other nations to see if they are doing it better than us?

 

[midcan5]

Do liberals even like this country?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So what does that have to do with my question?

Obviously the people who look to other countries are doing so to show alternatives to how we do things here.

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and only place into something that's already out there?

The USA is destroying itself. Conservatives have done just as much damage as liberals.

The left is the culprit, sexual perversion leading the charge

 

[2aguy]

Righties exist in a fantasyland in which reality has no place. Dark Money manages their minds and they follow along even when policies hurt their own interests. It is a weird play in which the players think they are making the moves. Reagan was a large part of their hypnotic state, he told them their government was the problem and they believed. (see link below) The corporations and upper classes benefited and the righties cheered, this was as it should be, Odd that our first president along with Lincoln and Eisenhower all saw this and yet the righties and republicans blinded by propaganda followed and obeyed.

"Populism is unemployment insurance, public education, government-sponsored healthcare, and regulatory laws that protect workers and consumers. If we ever get there, it'll be a minimum income, a 4-day work week, generous paid leave policies, and actual support for new parents. And, yes, we need the negative parts of populism in order to get the positive parts, because none of the positive parts are free. We need money, and the money has to come from somewhere, and the only place it can come from is the rich. Negative populism is thus the foundation on which positive populism stands. But negative populism alone is not populism as such, any more than the foundation of a house by itself is enough to keep you warm in the winter or dry when it rains." Rust Belt Philosophy: See also: special snowflakes, safe spaces, the closing of the American mind, crybabies, trigger warnings, pinkshirts, political correctness, etc. etc. etc.

Jeffrey D. Sachs: Ending the Ronald Reagan lie - The Boston Globe

"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." Quote DB :: Speeches :: George Washington :: George Washington's Farewell Address Speech


"For decades conservatives have been demonizing government and not enough has been done to defend it. Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. This powerful political coalition blithely ignores anything good about government and conducts a relentless smear campaign against this institution. They constantly play upon the fears and insecurities of average Americans and encourage them to blame all their problems on big bad government." Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

This is a fantasy....nothing the government does actually works. Those parts of the government that do a somewhat okay job...like the military, only do so because they are front line accountable for their actions...if the military screws up, people die, so they have an immediate response to their failure....no other government activity has that need to actually deliver things well and efficiently......

everything you posted about...requires taking something from one person and giving it to another, by the means of an arbitrary, government bureaucrat controlled agency......that is innefficient, and unaccountable and so they all go bust, they all fail, and they all lead to more calls for more government to fix the problem they were created to fix in the first place....that they simply made worse.....