Destiny and Free Will

Christianity teaches God gave us free will and yet at the same time it states God is omniscient/omnipotent. If our destiny or future has been predetermined by God, how can we have free will?

God being omniscient has nothing to do with our free will. Him knowing our choice doesn't determine our choice.
Proof of that is Christ. He left no man out when He paid for our sins on the cross. If our future is predetermined Christ would have only paid for the sins of the ones God picked. :eusa_angel:

John 1:29 "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” .
 
Last edited:
Christianity teaches God gave us free will and yet at the same time it states God is omniscient/omnipotent. If our destiny or future has been predetermined by God, how can we have free will?

God being omniscient has nothing to do with our free will. Him knowing our choice doesn't determine our choice.
Proof of that is Christ. He left no man out when He paid for our sins on the cross. If our future is predetermined Christ would have only paid for the sins of the ones God picked. :eusa_angel:

John 1:29 "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” .
none of that matters if jesus is returning and there is to be a reckoning that is predestination
 
Christianity teaches God gave us free will and yet at the same time it states God is omniscient/omnipotent. If our destiny or future has been predetermined by God, how can we have free will?

God being omniscient has nothing to do with our free will. Him knowing our choice doesn't determine our choice.
Proof of that is Christ. He left no man out when He paid for our sins on the cross. If our future is predetermined Christ would have only paid for the sins of the ones God picked. :eusa_angel:

John 1:29 "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” .
none of that matters if jesus is returning and there is to be a reckoning that is predestination

What kind of reckoning are you expecting upon His return??
 
If God orchestrates the choices we make in life and is the ultimate cause behind everything we do, then our choices have already been preordained, predetermined.
 
Last edited:
Look up amillennialism.
Amillennialists do indeed believe in the Second Coming and the existence of a millennium but not in the literal sense.

The name “amillennialism” does not adequately characterize the eschatological system. Etymologically, the word means “no millennium,” since the prefix “a” in Greek negates the word to which it is connected.

Amillennialists, however, don't adhere to the non-existence of a millennium, but just that it 's not a literal 1,000 year period.

Amillennial view holds that the thousand years is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age. Amillennialism holds that while Christ's 1000 year reign during the millennium is spiritual in nature, at the end of the church age, Christ will return in final judgment and establish a permanent physical reign.

Amillennialism - ReligionFacts

Another guy that thinks reading a website makes him an expert.

Amillennialism has been around for longer than the modern premillineal, prewrath Rapture rubbish that is currently very popular. There are even Christians that believe that, until the church actually builds the government that Jesus needs to rule the world, and cleans up all the sin, that Jesus will not return.
 
wrong again....

Christian beliefs

Below is a list of some things that Christians believe:

1. God created all that is seen and unseen
Christians believe that God is the creator of all people, the world, the universe, and everything seen and unseen. This is based on various Bible passages, including the first chapter of the Bible's book of Genesis.

2. Jesus is the Son of God and is one with God
Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that he is one with God, and that he was sent here for our salvation. In John 10:30 (NIV translation), John the Apostle quotes Jesus as saying, "I and the Father are one."

3. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary
Christians believe that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit of God and born through the Virgin Mary. As explained in Matthew 1:18 (NIV), "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit."

4. Jesus suffered and was crucified
Jesus suffered and died for our sins. Jesus was falsely accused of being an anti-government rebel and, as explained in Matthew 27:23-56, he was brought to Pontius Pilate to be executed through crucifixion. He was mocked, beaten, taunted and crucified by the Romans.

5. Jesus died and was buried
Jesus died after being crucified. He was buried in a tomb that was owned by a man named Joseph of Arimathea, who was a follower of Jesus. In Matthew 27:57-60 (NIV), the Bible says, "As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away."

6. Jesus rose again (the Resurrection)
Jesus was resurrected, which means that he died and was brought back to life again. The resurrection of Jesus is described in various places throughout the Bible's New Testament, including in the New Testament book of John, chapter 20. As explained in the Bible, all people who die before Judgment Day will be resurrected. The people who believe in Jesus will be resurrected to eternal life in Heaven. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be condemned, eternally, by their own sins, as explained in John 3:18, and elsewhere.

7. Jesus ascended into Heaven
Jesus ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father. This happened after Jesus was resurrected. We too can go to Heaven, through faith in Jesus Christ. As explained in Mark 16:19-20 (NIV): "After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

8. Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead
Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. In Matthew 24:30 (NIV), Jesus is quoted as saying that he will return: "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." Additional details are provided elsewhere, such as in the New Testament passages of John 5:28,29 and 2 Timothy 4:1-3. You can learn more about Jesus at the About-Jesus.org web site.

9. Anyone can have salvation
All people may receive salvation in the name of Jesus Christ. In Romans 10:12 (NIV), for example, it says: "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him".

10. People who repent of their sins will be forgiven
People are forgiven and saved if they confess their sins and confess their belief in the resurrection of Jesus. As explained in Romans 10:9-10 (NIV), "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."

John 3:16 (NIV):
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Look up amillennialism.
The amillennial view comes from using one method of interpretation for unfulfilled prophecy and another method for non-prophetic Scripture and fulfilled prophecy. Non-prophetic Scripture and fulfilled prophecy are interpreted literally or normally. But, according to the amillennialist, unfulfilled prophecy is to be interpreted spiritually, or non-literally. Those who hold to amillennialism believe that a “spiritual” reading of unfulfilled prophecy is the normal reading of the texts. This is called using a dual hermeneutic. (Hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation.) The amillennialist assumes that most, or all, unfulfilled prophecy is written in symbolic, figurative, spiritual language. Therefore, the amillennialist will assign different meanings to those parts of Scripture instead of the normal, contextual meanings of those words.

Read more: What is amillennialism?

No it doesn't, but thanks for not admitting you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Another guy that thinks reading a website makes him an expert.

Amillennialism has been around for longer than the modern premillineal, prewrath Rapture rubbish that is currently very popular. There are even Christians that believe that, until the church actually builds the government that Jesus needs to rule the world, and cleans up all the sin, that Jesus will not return.
Please give us the source of your information. In the meantime, here are several other sources you may want to check out.

Theopedia: http://www.theopedia.com/Amillennialism

New World Encyclopedia:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - New World Encyclopedia[/COLOR]


Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/COLOR]
 
Last edited:
Another guy that thinks reading a website makes him an expert.

Amillennialism has been around for longer than the modern premillineal, prewrath Rapture rubbish that is currently very popular. There are even Christians that believe that, until the church actually builds the government that Jesus needs to rule the world, and cleans up all the sin, that Jesus will not return.
Please give us the source of your information. In the meantime, here are several other sources you may want to check out.

Theopedia: http://www.theopedia.com/Amillennialism

New World Encyclopedia:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - New World Encyclopedia[/COLOR]


Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/COLOR]

My source is 20 years of studying theology in general and eschatology in particular. You can throw all the websites you like around, it won't change the fact that there is a lot of disagreement about everything.
 
Another guy that thinks reading a website makes him an expert.

Amillennialism has been around for longer than the modern premillineal, prewrath Rapture rubbish that is currently very popular. There are even Christians that believe that, until the church actually builds the government that Jesus needs to rule the world, and cleans up all the sin, that Jesus will not return.
Please give us the source of your information. In the meantime, here are several other sources you may want to check out.

Theopedia: http://www.theopedia.com/Amillennialism

New World Encyclopedia:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - New World Encyclopedia[/COLOR]


Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism]Amillennialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/COLOR]

My source is 20 years of studying theology in general and eschatology in particular. You can throw all the websites you like around, it won't change the fact that there is a lot of disagreement about everything.
You cannot produce one site that agrees with your definition.
 
Last edited:

My source is 20 years of studying theology in general and eschatology in particular. You can throw all the websites you like around, it won't change the fact that there is a lot of disagreement about everything.
You cannot produce one site that agrees with your definition.

I didn't give a definition, I made a statement. I don't even know which part of my statement you take exception to, but my guess is it has to do with my comment about kingdom theology and dominionism, feel free to look it up.
 
My source is 20 years of studying theology in general and eschatology in particular. You can throw all the websites you like around, it won't change the fact that there is a lot of disagreement about everything.
You cannot produce one site that agrees with your definition.

I didn't give a definition, I made a statement. I don't even know which part of my statement you take exception to, but my guess is it has to do with my comment about kingdom theology and dominionism, feel free to look it up.
When asked, “all Christians believe there will be some sort of reckoning and the return of Jesus, do they not”, you replied, “The answer to your question is no.”

You were wrong. Feel free to look it up.
 
Last edited:
You cannot produce one site that agrees with your definition.

I didn't give a definition, I made a statement. I don't even know which part of my statement you take exception to, but my guess is it has to do with my comment about kingdom theology and dominionism, feel free to look it up.
When asked, “all Christians believe there will be some sort of reckoning and the return of Jesus, do they not”, you replied, “The answer to your question is no.”

You were wrong. Feel free to look it up.

They don't. If they did they wouldn't be telling people that being homosexual is fine because God made them that way, would they?
 
I didn't give a definition, I made a statement. I don't even know which part of my statement you take exception to, but my guess is it has to do with my comment about kingdom theology and dominionism, feel free to look it up.
When asked, “all Christians believe there will be some sort of reckoning and the return of Jesus, do they not”, you replied, “The answer to your question is no.”

You were wrong. Feel free to look it up.

They don't.
You are wrong.
 
When asked, “all Christians believe there will be some sort of reckoning and the return of Jesus, do they not”, you replied, “The answer to your question is no.”

You were wrong. Feel free to look it up.

They don't.
You are wrong.

Feel free to prove that, out of the over 1 billion Christians that are currently alive, that not a single one believes that there will be no judgement.
 
Feel free to prove that, out of the over 1 billion Christians that are currently alive, that not a single one believes that there will be no judgement.
Correct. We're in agreement that all Christians do indeed believe "there will be some sort of reckoning and the return of Jesus." Thank you.
 
Last edited:
Christianity teaches God gave us free will and yet at the same time it states God is omniscient/omnipotent. If our destiny or future has been predetermined by God, how can we have free will?

not all Christian denominations recognize free will. it is a fundamental divide between many of them
 
Look. Universal reconciliation recognizes that all souls will be saved because of the grace of God.

A mortal sin kills the soul because grace has been destroyed. No grace means no salvation because there's nothing to be saved.

Catholics recognize that everyone's endowed with grace, but mortal sins can still be committed such that grace is lost. They cannot be repented since there is no grace available to repent with which should be common sense anyway. If people could repent despite committing mortal sins, then what's the point? It'd be like saying you could punch someone in the face as long as you say you're sorry after.

not true. that is NOT the Catholic doctrinal belief.
 
You can't repent a mortal sin. What are you talking about?

Likewise, the point of a mortal sin is it destroys the grace behind which universal reconciliation is justified.

Let me get this straight, you want me to simultaneously believe that Catholics believe in universal reconciliation and that it is impossible to repent mortal sins? Then, on top of those mutually contradictory positions, you want me to believe you know what you are talking about?

Catholics DO NOT believe in universal reconciliation. that is more nrw-ageish belief.
 
not all Christian denominations recognize free will. it is a fundamental divide between many of them
If they do not recognize free will, who do they hold responsible for their actions?
 

Forum List

Back
Top