Democrsts Steal North Carolina

[pillars]

There are like four threads about democrats thinking black people are too lazy and stupid to get an ID

I live in NC. The Republicans also disproportionately staff DMV offices. In heavily black areas, it can take 4-5 hours to get an ID. In majority white ones, it takes about an hour.

I've seen it at firsthand.

Are you saying Republicans are a little slow? LOL

I'm saying that the staffing isn't allocated by the number of people served by the office, but by some other obscure formula that somehow results in it taking 4-5 times longer to get an ID in a black neighborhood than a white one.

My son and I got our IDs in the county where I work. My husband got his in the county where we live. There is a significant difference in wait time. It took 3 trips to get my son's ID in the county where I work. The first time, we waited 3 hours for him to take the test. The next time, we waited 3 hours for just the driver's test, and finally, we left, went to a different county, and got it done in an hour. It's taken me 5 hours every time I went to get an ID (twice) in the county where I work. My husband and neighbors have told me it only takes about an hour to get it in the county where we live.

 

[bripat9643]

As if we already did NOT know this.....

A federal court just struck down North Carolina's voter-ID law, one of the strictest in the nation. In addition to requiring residents to show identification before they can cast a ballot, the law also eliminated same-day voter registration, eliminated seven days of early voting and put an end to out-of-precinct voting. The federal court ruling reinstates these provisions, for now.

Supporters of the law, like North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, have long maintained that requirements like these were necessary to prevent voter fraud. But time and time again, scholars and legal experts have found that the type of fraud these laws are meant to combat is largely nonexistent.

One of the most comprehensive studies on the subject found only 31 individual cases of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States since the year 2000. Researchers have found that reports of voter fraud are roughly as common as reports of alien abduction.

The federal court in Richmond found that the primary purpose of North Carolina's wasn't to stop voter fraud, but rather to disenfranchise minority voters. The judges found that the provisions "target African Americans with almost surgical precision."

In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote.

So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."

The data also showed that black voters were more likely to make use of early voting — particularly the first seven days out of North Carolina's 17-day voting period. So lawmakers eliminated these seven days of voting. "After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days," the court found.

Most strikingly, the judges point to a "smoking gun" in North Carolina's justification for the law, proving discriminatory intent. The state argued in court that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black" and "disproportionately Democratic," and said it did away with Sunday voting as a result.

"Thus, in what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race — specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise," the judges write in their decision.

This is about as clear-cut an indictment of the discriminatory underpinnings of voter-ID laws as you'll find anywhere. Studies have already shown a significant link between support for voter ID and racial discrimination, among both lawmakers and white voters in general.

"Faced with this record," the federal court concludes, "we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent."

The ‘smoking gun’ proving North Carolina Republicans tried to disenfranchise black voters

How would they find cases of voter impersonation if ID isn't required? What your post demonstrates is the fundamental inability of left wingers to commit logic.

 

[nat4900]

The "voter I.D. law" has been in effect in neighboring Virginia for many years with no problems and the current democrat governor doesn't seem anxious to play the race card. Does the radical left allege that (only) Black people North Carolina are too stupid to obtain something as basic as a photo I.D. in the 21st century? When are Black people going to realize that they are being insulted and used by the racist democrat party as political pawns?

Re-read the article or find someone with better reading comprehension than you..... (its NOT just about voter ID, nitwit) ......

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I nominate this one for conspiracy theory.

 

[nat4900]

It's rampant nationwide. Will post more stories in support.

One of the most comprehensive studies on the subject found only 31 individual cases of voter impersonationout of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States since the year 2000. Researchers have found that reports of voter fraud are roughly as common as reports of alien abduction.

 

[occupied]

As if we already did NOT know this.....

A federal court just struck down North Carolina's voter-ID law, one of the strictest in the nation. In addition to requiring residents to show identification before they can cast a ballot, the law also eliminated same-day voter registration, eliminated seven days of early voting and put an end to out-of-precinct voting. The federal court ruling reinstates these provisions, for now.

Supporters of the law, like North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, have long maintained that requirements like these were necessary to prevent voter fraud. But time and time again, scholars and legal experts have found that the type of fraud these laws are meant to combat is largely nonexistent.

One of the most comprehensive studies on the subject found only 31 individual cases of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States since the year 2000. Researchers have found that reports of voter fraud are roughly as common as reports of alien abduction.

The federal court in Richmond found that the primary purpose of North Carolina's wasn't to stop voter fraud, but rather to disenfranchise minority voters. The judges found that the provisions "target African Americans with almost surgical precision."

In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote.

So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."

The data also showed that black voters were more likely to make use of early voting — particularly the first seven days out of North Carolina's 17-day voting period. So lawmakers eliminated these seven days of voting. "After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days," the court found.

Most strikingly, the judges point to a "smoking gun" in North Carolina's justification for the law, proving discriminatory intent. The state argued in court that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black" and "disproportionately Democratic," and said it did away with Sunday voting as a result.

"Thus, in what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race — specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise," the judges write in their decision.

This is about as clear-cut an indictment of the discriminatory underpinnings of voter-ID laws as you'll find anywhere. Studies have already shown a significant link between support for voter ID and racial discrimination, among both lawmakers and white voters in general.

"Faced with this record," the federal court concludes, "we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent."

The ‘smoking gun’ proving North Carolina Republicans tried to disenfranchise black voters

Why can't black people get a photo ID from DMV? At least in our state, it's cheap.

Why can't conservative white folks quit trying to make it more difficult for poor people to vote?

 

[nat4900]

As long suspected, the right wingers' lame excuse of "voters; fraud' is tantamount to asolution in desperate search of a problem,

Again:

.One of the most comprehensive studies on the subject found only 31 individual cases of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States since the year 2000. Researchers have found that reports of voter fraud are roughly as common as reports of alien abduction.

 

[nat4900]

Why can't conservative white folks quit trying to make it more difficult for poor people to vote?

Simple answer....those "poor people" tend to vote democrat.

 

[OldLady]

There are like four threads about democrats thinking black people are too lazy and stupid to get an ID

I live in NC. The Republicans also disproportionately staff DMV offices. In heavily black areas, it can take 4-5 hours to get an ID. In majority white ones, it takes about an hour.

I've seen it at firsthand.

It is also difficult for blacks to get a driver's license in NC. In order to get a learner's permit in NC, you must take and pass driver's ed, and you must be an enrolled student with passing grades. Driver's ed classes are no longer funded by the state, so parents have to pay $100 for driver's ed. In order to take a driver's ed class in school, you must be enrolled in a normal high school. They aren't offered to youth in alternative schools or to people in GED programs or at the college level. If you are not a student in a normal public high school setting, a driver's ed class can cost $500+. Even if you are a student in a high school, the driver's ed classes fill up fast and there are never enough spots for everyone who wants to take one of those classes. You also have to show proof of car insurance, whether or not you own a vehicle. So, poor people who typically can't afford driver's ed or car insurance and don't own a car, typically wait until they are 18 or even older to get a driver's license. NC politicians knew this, and that's why they used the DMV issued ID as the standard.

My son actually ran into this issue because when we moved up here, transferring from Florida to NC put him behind in credits required for graduation because the credit structure was entirely different. He opted to get his GED and go to community college during what would have been his senior year, versus spending an extra semester in high school. As a result, he wasn't eligible for high school driver's ed. He didn't get his license until he was 18 because I wasn't willing to pay for a $500 driver training class.

Further, getting the documentation together that is required for an ID can be expensive. A lot of the kids I work with don't have copies of important documents like social security cards and birth certificates. Getting a copy of a birth certificate can cost upwards of $50 (it cost $75 recently to replace my son's birth certificate which he apparently lost while registering for college). The state ID costs $35. It's the equivalent of a poll tax.

Here's an article about why this requirement disenfranchises poor voters: Well Actually, It’s Pretty Hard for Some People to Get a Photo ID So They Can Vote #ABLC

Life is expensive in North Carolina! Yes, those fees would be a barrier for a lot of folks.

 

[nat4900]

Example One:

Pennsylvania Republican House Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) admitted that voter identification efforts were designed to suppress Democratic votes, telling a Republican Steering Committee meeting that Voter ID “is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

 

[nat4900]

Example Two (from Wisconsin):

Is vote fraud common in American politics? Not according to United States District Judge Lynn Adelman, who examined the evidence from Wisconsin and ruled in late April that “virtually no voter impersonation occurs” in the state and that “no evidence suggests that voter-impersonation fraud will become a problem at any time in the foreseeable future.”

 

[occupied]

Why can't conservative white folks quit trying to make it more difficult for poor people to vote?

Simple answer....those "poor people" tend to vote democrat.

For sure, and it's more than just the disingenuous ID laws. Taken as whole, all their recent attacks on the democratic process of electing leaders point to a siege mentality. They lack the courage to run on the strength of ideas alone.

 

[nat4900]

Example Three (from Arizona):

Arizona Representative Ruben Gallego (D-7th District) was unequivocal when asked by FOX News Latino about what had happened: “Let’s be clear – voter suppression happened.” Judging from the horror stories told by voters, it’s hard to see the situation as anything else. Republican budget cuts meant that there weren’t enough polling places to go around, forcing people to wait in mile-long lines – and some never even got to cast their ballots at all. Phoenix reporter Joe Dana noted that the 2012 primary had 300,000 voters and 200 polling places – but the 2016 primary has estimated 800,000 voters at 60 polling places. A petition asking the White House to look into the issue has already reached 200,000 signatures, and with luck measures will be taken to prevent this kind of thing in the future.

 

[2aguy]

The worst voter fraud....the democrat Attorney Generals in the states with close elections....they handle the vote count...and they steal it for the democrats...

 

[2aguy]

This is the way they do it...

EDITORIAL: The art of stealing elections

Evidence of such fraud repeats itself on Monday in Virginia when election officials begin the thankless task of recounting the more than 2.2 million ballots cast in the Nov. 5 state attorney general’s race, where just 165 votes separate the two candidates.

The fishiest results were posted in Fairfax County, where enough provisional ballots conveniently appeared to give state Sen. Mark R. Herring, the Democrat, an edge over state Sen. Mark D. Obenshain of Harrisonburg, the Republican. “They kept finding ballots,” a highly placed Republican source says. Mr. Herring was finally declared the winner by .007 of 1 percent of the vote in the final tally, making it the closest statewide race in Virginia history.

Republicans nearly always get the sticky end of the wicket. In 2008, Al Franken, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota, trailed his Republican opponent by 215 votes out of 2.9 million cast. After working a protracted recount and a legal battle over disputed absentee ballots and ballots said to be counted twice, he was abruptly declared the “winner” by 312 votes. A box of Democratic ballots helpfully turned up in the trunk of a car.

 

[nat4900]

Example Four (from Florida):

A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, former GOP officials and current GOP consultants have told The Palm Beach Post.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman .....says that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.


“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,

 

[nat4900]

This is the way they do it...

EDITORIAL: The art of stealing elections

Evidence of such fraud repeats itself on Monday in Virginia when election officials begin the thankless task of recounting the more than 2.2 million ballots cast in the Nov. 5 state attorney general’s race, where just 165 votes separate the two candidates.

The fishiest results were posted in Fairfax County, where enough provisional ballots conveniently appeared to give state Sen. Mark R. Herring, the Democrat, an edge over state Sen. Mark D. Obenshain of Harrisonburg, the Republican. “They kept finding ballots,” a highly placed Republican source says. Mr. Herring was finally declared the winner by .007 of 1 percent of the vote in the final tally, making it the closest statewide race in Virginia history.

Republicans nearly always get the sticky end of the wicket. In 2008, Al Franken, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota, trailed his Republican opponent by 215 votes out of 2.9 million cast. After working a protracted recount and a legal battle over disputed absentee ballots and ballots said to be counted twice, he was abruptly declared the “winner” by 312 votes. A box of Democratic ballots helpfully turned up in the trunk of a car.

maybe, when you grow up a bit, you too would understand the difference between a 3 year old EDITORIAL (an opinion piece).....versus the findings of a federal circuit court. One can only hope.

 

[occupied]

The worst voter fraud....the democrat Attorney Generals in the states with close elections....they handle the vote count...and they steal it for the democrats...

That is not voter fraud, it is called election fraud and republicans normally refuse to admit that it exists. If you think republicans are not guilty of it then you are a stupid dumb-ass. They are the ones who pass laws making recounts much harder and fight efforts to make the machines' totals more verifiable.

 

[nat4900]

Example Five (from Georgia):

Georgia state Senator Fran Millar (R-Dunwoody) wrote an angry op-edfollowing the news that DeKalb County, part of which he represents, will permit early voting on the last Sunday in October. The voting will take place at the Gallery at South DeKalb mall. Here’s what Millar wrote in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution: “[T]his location is dominated by African-American shoppers and it is near several large African-American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist… Is it possible church buses will be used to transport people directly to the mall since the poll will open when the mall opens? If this happens, so much for the accepted principle of separation of church and state.” Millar, who is senior deputy whip for the Georgia Senate Republicans, promised to put an end to Sunday balloting in DeKalb County when state lawmakers assemble in the Capitol in January.

 

[nat4900]

Life is expensive in North Carolina! Yes, those fees would be a barrier for a lot of folks.

Quite simply.......Its a return to the outlawed "poll tax."