Democrats, what makes the GOP so evil?

[Kondor3]

Bullshit.

Obviously, you disagree...

Trump isn't some radical departure, Trump is the extra strength version of the same crap the GOP has been putting out since 1968.

So it must look to an American-of-Color who is heavily vested in the Democratic Party and its long-standing accommodations for Minorities.

There are other "perches" from which other perspectives may be gleaned... several of them both realistic and practical... which you understandably reject.

The only difference is that Trump is committed to the toxic stuff to the detriment of some of the goals of the GOP's masters.

Oh, the Republicans stopped being the Party of the Common Man and became Corporate Whores a century ago... during World War I times.

What's changed is that the Democratic Party has also mostly abandoned the Common Man and become Minority Vote Whores, largely abandoning Whites.

LibProg-driven and (perceived as) unholy and licentious and forcible social reengineering and race-baiting and elitism are driving White Folk away in droves.

You can argue the point all you want but the evidence of its accuracy is all around us in the unfortunate populism and hyper-partisanship of our present day.

When you start pushing the "controlling ethnic bloc" too far in any country this sort of thing eventually surfaces... pure political-science and history at work.

The Democratic Party may have been given a reprieve by the overturning of Roe but that, too, is merely a bump in the road towards party alignment by race.

If we - as a nation - are not very careful now, the Republicans become the White Folks Party and the Democrats become the Minorities United Party.

And, if course, Hispanics, with their mighty conservative Roman Catholic (Christian) undercurrent, seem to be drifting into the GOP camp as they prosper.

Democrats have been pi$$ing-off more-and-more Whites with each passing election cycle with very little understanding of the profound loss involved.

This is why you see so many rich people defecting to the Democrats... they don't want to live in the Republic of Gilead any more than most people do.

You and I have been looking at different trends... don't confuse a blip-on-the-scope over Roe-v-Wade with sustainable long-term growth of the (D) party

 

[Kondor3]

But that's the question- why do you guys keep trying to gut social security and medicare to give tax cuts to rich people?

Yep... if that's a HUGE issue for Boomers and other Old Farts... Social Security and Medicare... Pub designs on these truly scare older voters.

 

[Mac1958]

What's changed is that the Democratic Party has also mostly abandoned the Common Man and become Minority Vote Whores, largely abandoning Whites.

And they absolutely refuse to see how that has played right into the hands of the GQP and the orange buffoon.

This disaster has been a team effort.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, you disagree...

So it must look to an American-of-Color who is heavily vested in the Democratic Party and its long-standing accommodations for Minorities.

There are other "perches" from which other perspectives may be gleaned... several of them both realistic and practical... which you understandably reject.

Oh, the Republicans stopped being the Party of the Common Man and became Corporate Whores a century ago... during World War I times.

What's changed is that the Democratic Party has also mostly abandoned the Common Man and become Minority Vote Whores, largely abandoning Whites.

LibProg-driven and (perceived as) unholy and licentious and forcible social reengineering and race-baiting and elitism are driving White Folk away in droves.

You can argue the point all you want but the evidence of its accuracy is all around us in the unfortunate populism and hyper-partisanship of our present day.

When you start pushing the "controlling ethnic bloc" too far in any country this sort of thing eventually surfaces... pure political-science and history at work.

The Democratic Party may have been given a reprieve by the overturning of Roe but that, too, is merely a bump in the road towards party alignment by race.

If we - as a nation - are not very careful now, the Republicans become the White Folks Party and the Democrats become the Minorities United Party.

And, if course, Hispanics, with their mighty conservative Roman Catholic (Christian) undercurrent, seem to be drifting into the GOP camp as they prosper.

Democrats have been pi$$ing-off more-and-more Whites with each passing election cycle with very little understanding of the profound loss involved.


You and I have been looking at different trends... don't confuse a blip-on-the-scope over Roe-v-Wade with sustainable long-term growth of the (D) party

I was going to waste my time with a point by point refutation of your white greivance bullshit, but there's a PERFECT cartoon for people like you.

If you are white, YOU ARE PRIVILEGED. Thinking the black man is trying to take something from you because they want the things you take for granted is wrong headed and mean spirited.

If White people have less than their parents and grandparents, THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES by voting Republicans, who busted up the unions, got rid of worker's protections, etc.

But, yeah, keep living in mortal fear a darky might move in next door.

 

[JoeB131]

And they absolutely refuse to see how that has played right into the hands of the GQP and the orange buffoon.

This disaster has been a team effort.

Oh, shut the fuck up.

 

[berg80]

But how can you be the worst of the worst and not evil?

Or are you saving that word for the next GOP Presidential candidate?

View attachment 685889

Thank God we have the democrat party who is full of integrity, not concerned about gaining power, and never lie

What would we do without them?

Here is what DeSantis (a front runner for the POT nomination for prez) and the Repub controlled legislature thinks about the will of the people.

In November 2018, nearly 65 percent of Florida voters approved Amendment 4, a constitutional amendment that automatically restored voting rights to most Floridians with past convictions who had completed the terms of their sentence. Shortly thereafter, in June 2019, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 7066 into law, prohibiting returning citizens from voting unless they pay off certain legal financial obligations (LFOs) imposed by a court pursuant to a felony conviction.
Voting Rights Restoration Efforts in Florida

MAY 24, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court today ruled that a Florida law that created wealth-based hurdles to voting is unconstitutional. The decision restores voting rights to hundreds of thousands of people with past felony convictions.
The law, SB 7066, required people with past convictions to pay all outstanding legal fees, costs, fines, and restitution before regaining their right to vote, undermining Floridians’ overwhelming 2018 passage of Amendment 4, which restored voting rights to more than a million people who had completed the terms of their sentence, including parole or probation.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle found that conditioning voting on payment of legal financial obligations a person is unable to pay violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by discriminating on the basis of wealth. He also held that requiring the payment of costs and fees violates the 24th Amendment, which prohibits poll taxes, and that the law violates the National Voter Registration Act.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...ed-voting-rights-restoration-unconstitutional

But DeSantis and the legislature found a way to frustrate what a majority of Floridians wanted.

Nearly two years after Florida voters approved a landmark constitutional amendment allowing felons to vote, state officials don’t know how many have registered. They also don’t know how many felons on the voter rolls owe court fees, fines or restitution that would disqualify them from voting under a subsequent state law that limited the amendment’s scope.

Florida officials have not removed any felons from the rolls for owing fines or fees, and they’re unlikely to do so before Election Day, Secretary of State Laurel Lee said in an interview Monday. It’s unclear whether those whom the state fails to prune are entitled to vote after all — or may face prosecution if they do.

With so much in flux, the winner in Florida of the closely watched presidential vote could be decided by the courts for the second time in two decades.

Amid the confusion, the one certainty is that Florida’s Republican governor and Legislature have tamped down the felon vote, according to an analysis of state records by the Tampa Bay Times, Miami Herald and ProPublica. In a presidential election marred by voter suppression tactics, such as misinformation about vote-by-mail fraud, the weakening of Florida’s ballot measure, known as Amendment 4, may constitute the biggest single instance of voter disenfranchisement. Like the poll taxes of the Jim Crow era, the restrictions have especially hit Black Floridians, who make up a disproportionate share of felons and register overwhelmingly as Democrats.

In Florida, the Gutting of a Landmark Law Leaves Few Felons Likely to Vote
State officials don’t know how many felons are registered or eligible to vote. So we did our own analysis and found only a very small percentage of them will be able to cast ballots this election. Some could face prosecution if they do.

 

[Votto]

Here is what DeSantis (a front runner for the POT nomination for prez) and the Repub controlled legislature thinks about the will of the people.

In November 2018, nearly 65 percent of Florida voters approved Amendment 4, a constitutional amendment that automatically restored voting rights to most Floridians with past convictions who had completed the terms of their sentence. Shortly thereafter, in June 2019, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 7066 into law, prohibiting returning citizens from voting unless they pay off certain legal financial obligations (LFOs) imposed by a court pursuant to a felony conviction.
Voting Rights Restoration Efforts in Florida

MAY 24, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court today ruled that a Florida law that created wealth-based hurdles to voting is unconstitutional. The decision restores voting rights to hundreds of thousands of people with past felony convictions.
The law, SB 7066, required people with past convictions to pay all outstanding legal fees, costs, fines, and restitution before regaining their right to vote, undermining Floridians’ overwhelming 2018 passage of Amendment 4, which restored voting rights to more than a million people who had completed the terms of their sentence, including parole or probation.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle found that conditioning voting on payment of legal financial obligations a person is unable to pay violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by discriminating on the basis of wealth. He also held that requiring the payment of costs and fees violates the 24th Amendment, which prohibits poll taxes, and that the law violates the National Voter Registration Act.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...ed-voting-rights-restoration-unconstitutional

But DeSantis and the legislature found a way to frustrate what a majority of Floridians wanted.

Nearly two years after Florida voters approved a landmark constitutional amendment allowing felons to vote, state officials don’t know how many have registered. They also don’t know how many felons on the voter rolls owe court fees, fines or restitution that would disqualify them from voting under a subsequent state law that limited the amendment’s scope.

Florida officials have not removed any felons from the rolls for owing fines or fees, and they’re unlikely to do so before Election Day, Secretary of State Laurel Lee said in an interview Monday. It’s unclear whether those whom the state fails to prune are entitled to vote after all — or may face prosecution if they do.

With so much in flux, the winner in Florida of the closely watched presidential vote could be decided by the courts for the second time in two decades.

Amid the confusion, the one certainty is that Florida’s Republican governor and Legislature have tamped down the felon vote, according to an analysis of state records by the Tampa Bay Times, Miami Herald and ProPublica. In a presidential election marred by voter suppression tactics, such as misinformation about vote-by-mail fraud, the weakening of Florida’s ballot measure, known as Amendment 4, may constitute the biggest single instance of voter disenfranchisement. Like the poll taxes of the Jim Crow era, the restrictions have especially hit Black Floridians, who make up a disproportionate share of felons and register overwhelmingly as Democrats.

In Florida, the Gutting of a Landmark Law Leaves Few Felons Likely to Vote
State officials don’t know how many felons are registered or eligible to vote. So we did our own analysis and found only a very small percentage of them will be able to cast ballots this election. Some could face prosecution if they do.

Felons in Florida can't vote?
How can the DNC win there then?
This is an outrage!

 

[Lastamender]

Here is what DeSantis (a front runner for the POT nomination for prez) and the Repub controlled legislature thinks about the will of the people.

In November 2018, nearly 65 percent of Florida voters approved Amendment 4, a constitutional amendment that automatically restored voting rights to most Floridians with past convictions who had completed the terms of their sentence. Shortly thereafter, in June 2019, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 7066 into law, prohibiting returning citizens from voting unless they pay off certain legal financial obligations (LFOs) imposed by a court pursuant to a felony conviction.
Voting Rights Restoration Efforts in Florida

MAY 24, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court today ruled that a Florida law that created wealth-based hurdles to voting is unconstitutional. The decision restores voting rights to hundreds of thousands of people with past felony convictions.
The law, SB 7066, required people with past convictions to pay all outstanding legal fees, costs, fines, and restitution before regaining their right to vote, undermining Floridians’ overwhelming 2018 passage of Amendment 4, which restored voting rights to more than a million people who had completed the terms of their sentence, including parole or probation.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle found that conditioning voting on payment of legal financial obligations a person is unable to pay violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by discriminating on the basis of wealth. He also held that requiring the payment of costs and fees violates the 24th Amendment, which prohibits poll taxes, and that the law violates the National Voter Registration Act.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...ed-voting-rights-restoration-unconstitutional

But DeSantis and the legislature found a way to frustrate what a majority of Floridians wanted.

Nearly two years after Florida voters approved a landmark constitutional amendment allowing felons to vote, state officials don’t know how many have registered. They also don’t know how many felons on the voter rolls owe court fees, fines or restitution that would disqualify them from voting under a subsequent state law that limited the amendment’s scope.

Florida officials have not removed any felons from the rolls for owing fines or fees, and they’re unlikely to do so before Election Day, Secretary of State Laurel Lee said in an interview Monday. It’s unclear whether those whom the state fails to prune are entitled to vote after all — or may face prosecution if they do.

With so much in flux, the winner in Florida of the closely watched presidential vote could be decided by the courts for the second time in two decades.

Amid the confusion, the one certainty is that Florida’s Republican governor and Legislature have tamped down the felon vote, according to an analysis of state records by the Tampa Bay Times, Miami Herald and ProPublica. In a presidential election marred by voter suppression tactics, such as misinformation about vote-by-mail fraud, the weakening of Florida’s ballot measure, known as Amendment 4, may constitute the biggest single instance of voter disenfranchisement. Like the poll taxes of the Jim Crow era, the restrictions have especially hit Black Floridians, who make up a disproportionate share of felons and register overwhelmingly as Democrats.

In Florida, the Gutting of a Landmark Law Leaves Few Felons Likely to Vote
State officials don’t know how many felons are registered or eligible to vote. So we did our own analysis and found only a very small percentage of them will be able to cast ballots this election. Some could face prosecution if they do.

What a shame.

 

[berg80]

Felons in Florida can't vote?
How can the DNC win there then?
This is an outrage!

Your snark is noted. Also noted is your avoidance of how DeSantis and the state legislature thwarted the will of the 65% majority who voted to restore the voting rights of felons who served their time.
But then FL has a storied history of voter suppression. Research how many voters the Repub Sec. of State purged from the rolls in 2000.

 

[berg80]

What a shame.

Am I surprised you favor voter suppression? No.

MAY 24, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court today ruled that a Florida law that created wealth-based hurdles to voting is unconstitutional. The decision restores voting rights to hundreds of thousands of people with past felony convictions.
The law, SB 7066, required people with past convictions to pay all outstanding legal fees, costs, fines, and restitution before regaining their right to vote, undermining Floridians’ overwhelming 2018 passage of Amendment 4, which restored voting rights to more than a million people who had completed the terms of their sentence, including parole or probation.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle found that conditioning voting on payment of legal financial obligations a person is unable to pay violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by discriminating on the basis of wealth. He also held that requiring the payment of costs and fees violates the 24th Amendment, which prohibits poll taxes, and that the law violates the National Voter Registration Act.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...ed-voting-rights-restoration-unconstitutional

But DeSantis and the legislature found a way to frustrate what a majority of Floridians wanted.

 

[Lastamender]

Am I surprised you favor voter suppression? No.

MAY 24, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court today ruled that a Florida law that created wealth-based hurdles to voting is unconstitutional. The decision restores voting rights to hundreds of thousands of people with past felony convictions.
The law, SB 7066, required people with past convictions to pay all outstanding legal fees, costs, fines, and restitution before regaining their right to vote, undermining Floridians’ overwhelming 2018 passage of Amendment 4, which restored voting rights to more than a million people who had completed the terms of their sentence, including parole or probation.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle found that conditioning voting on payment of legal financial obligations a person is unable to pay violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by discriminating on the basis of wealth. He also held that requiring the payment of costs and fees violates the 24th Amendment, which prohibits poll taxes, and that the law violates the National Voter Registration Act.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...ed-voting-rights-restoration-unconstitutional

But DeSantis and the legislature found a way to frustrate what a majority of Floridians wanted.

I am glad you honor the opinion of felons.

 

[Kondor3]

I was going to waste my time with a point by point refutation of your white greivance bullshit, but there's a PERFECT cartoon for people like you.

View attachment 686271

If you are white, YOU ARE PRIVILEGED. Thinking the black man is trying to take something from you because they want the things you take for granted is wrong headed and mean spirited.

If White people have less than their parents and grandparents, THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES by voting Republicans, who busted up the unions, got rid of worker's protections, etc.

But, yeah, keep living in mortal fear a darky might move in next door.

Yes. Predictable. Your difficulty now lies in the fact that White Folk have (a) heard the argument and (b) are ignoring it.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. Predictable. Your difficulty now lies in the fact that White Folk have (a) heard the argument and (b) are ignoring it.

No difficultly at all.

Eventually, demographics and more enlightened generations of young white people will eventually relegate you to irrelevance. In fact, they already have.

It isn't the 1980's anymore, when Reagan could pull that shit and get 60% of the vote.

It's the 2020's, where the Republicans have been pulling that shit, and they haven't gotten over 50% but once since 1992, and only then when they scared the SHIT out of white people after 9/11.

What the Democrats need to NOT do is sell out their core voters to try to recruit unhappy stupid white people who were never going to vote for them to start with. This is what Clinton did, selling the base out with shit like welfare reform and the 1993 Crime bill, but then ran back to them hat in hand when his dick wound up someplace it shouldn't be.

 

[berg80]

I am glad you honor the opinion of felons.

I honor the opinion of 65% of voting Floridians who want ex-felons to be able to vote. Not the anti-democratic impulses of DeSantis and Repubs who control the legislature.

 

[22lcidw]

Not evil. Just complete and utter sellouts in the pursuit of power. Giving up your morals, your standards, your ethics, your reason, your common sense....all in fealty to a huckster fraud of a grifter who seems to have the entire GOP by the short hairs. The absolute worst of the worst have found a home in the GOP and have managed to corrupt and drag most of the moderates under as well.

Biden and Pelosi are two great Catholics I tell you. A lover for Power and corrupted to get rich and while selling out the faith they claim to have as they screw the population over. And that is to start.

 

[22lcidw]

No difficultly at all.

Eventually, demographics and more enlightened generations of young white people will eventually relegate you to irrelevance. In fact, they already have.

It isn't the 1980's anymore, when Reagan could pull that shit and get 60% of the vote.

It's the 2020's, where the Republicans have been pulling that shit, and they haven't gotten over 50% but once since 1992, and only then when they scared the SHIT out of white people after 9/11.

What the Democrats need to NOT do is sell out their core voters to try to recruit unhappy stupid white people who were never going to vote for them to start with. This is what Clinton did, selling the base out with shit like welfare reform and the 1993 Crime bill, but then ran back to them hat in hand when his dick wound up someplace it shouldn't be.

If what you say is true, then we will become like most of the nations in the Western hemisphere. A rich class, a much smaller middle class then we have now and a large poverty class. China is licking its chops.

 

[JoeB131]

If what you say is true, then we will become like most of the nations in the Western hemisphere. A rich class, a much smaller middle class then we have now and a large poverty class. China is licking its chops.

China has plenty of it's own problems. The fact that so many Chinese want to come here should be evidence of that.

 

[Kondor3]

No difficultly at all.

That's not what Liberal pundits were saying on November 8, 2020, was it?

Did you really think that the Biden victory of November 3, 2020, reversed or neutralized that trend? I hope not, for your sake.

Eventually, demographics and more enlightened generations of young white people will eventually relegate you to irrelevance. In fact, they already have.

Yes. That is your hope. Divide and Conquer. That, and... "We don't need you... we have your children." (Adolf Hitler)... it's all been said before, eh?

It isn't the 1980's anymore, when Reagan could pull that shit and get 60% of the vote.

How-in-the-world you can say that after witnessing November 8, 2020, is quite beyond me, I'm sure.

It's the 2020's, where the Republicans have been pulling that shit, and they haven't gotten over 50% but once since 1992, and only then when they scared the SHIT out of white people after 9/11.

That Black Chip on your shoulder continues to impede your clear and realism-aware thinking on the subject, methinks... but that's just a good guess.

What the Democrats need to NOT do is sell out their core voters to try to recruit unhappy stupid white people who were never going to vote for them to start with.

Yes. You firmly represent mainstream thinking amongst party leadership and the Minority Mafia that they're pandering to, no doubt. Unsustainable, long term.

This is what Clinton did, selling the base out with shit like welfare reform and the 1993 Crime bill, but then ran back to them hat in hand when his dick wound up someplace it shouldn't be.

Yep. And that magic trick will only work for so long.

 

[JoeB131]

Sign, educating Wingnuts, a full time job.

That's not what Liberal pundits were saying on November 8, 2020, was it?

Did you really think that the Biden victory of November 3, 2020, reversed or neutralized that trend? I hope not, for your sake.

Uh, guy, the point is Trump lost by 8 million votes. The ONLY Reason why this is still an issue is because we are using a 200 year old anachronism to select presidents. And once Texas turns a certain percent Hispanic, it's not going to be an issue anymore

Yes. That is your hope. Divide and Conquer. That, and... "We don't need you... we have your children." (Adolf Hitler)... it's all been said before, eh?

More like, we know that some people can't be changed. By all rights, Trump SHOULD have lost white people after a half million deaths and 65 million lost jobs. But he didn't.

I would love to cure white bigotry... but I know that's probably too high a mountain to climb with my generation that went to all white schools and bantered the N-word like that was normal.

This new generation, who have gone to integrated schools, watched blacks on TV in movies... they are fine with it... and probably a little embarrassed by you.

How-in-the-world you can say that after witnessing November 8, 2020, is quite beyond me, I'm sure.

What I witnessed was that Trump did no better as a percentage than he did in 16, and about the same as McCain and Romney.

That Black Chip on your shoulder continues to impede your clear and realism-aware thinking on the subject, methinks... but that's just a good guess.

Uh, Dude, I'm about as pasty white as you get. I don't even go out in the sun because I tend to burn badly.

Yes. You firmly represent mainstream thinking amongst party leadership and the Minority Mafia that they're pandering to, no doubt. Unsustainable, long term.

Actually, it's very sustainable. With increases in Asian and Hispanic immigration, and higher birth rates among minorities, it's the White Greivance strategy that is probably unsustainable in the long term.

Yep. And that magic trick will only work for so long.

Actually, more like, history will look back at people like you the way they look back at the Klan and McCarthyism or various other bigots in history.

 

[Kondor3]

Sign, educating Wingnuts, a full time job.

Yes. It's quite obvious that you think that White Folks acting collectively constitutes Wing-Nut -ism...

Uh, guy, the point is Trump lost by 8 million votes. The ONLY Reason why this is still an issue is because we are using a 200 year old anachronism to select presidents. And once Texas turns a certain percent Hispanic, it's not going to be an issue anymore

Your arrogance in such matters is your weakness and the GOP is getting better and better at exploiting that arrogant self-confidence.

More like, we know that some people can't be changed.

Which party is likely to continue to pick-up 'converts' over the course of time... the one that abandons a segment, or the one that holds out open arms?

By all rights, Trump SHOULD have lost white people after a half million deaths and 65 million lost jobs. But he didn't.

Indeed. You make a good case in this instance for what I've been asserting about a dramatic growth of the Racial Divide. Sad but true.

I would love to cure white bigotry... but I know that's probably too high a mountain to climb with my generation that went to all white schools and bantered the N-word like that was normal.

Not to mention Black bigotry. Like goes with like. Has since the dawn of time. Will 'til the end of time. That just won't change appreciably.

This new generation, who have gone to integrated schools, watched blacks on TV in movies... they are fine with it... and probably a little embarrassed by you.

Yes. It is clear that that this is what you have pinned your hopes upon. It is also clear that your exposure is insufficient to gauge this on the macro scale.

What I witnessed was that Trump did no better as a percentage than he did in 16, and about the same as McCain and Romney.

Imagine what the GOP would have done with the Trump agenda but with a vastly more effective Executor of Policy and skilled Communicator.

That's going to be your next Big Challenge... and it's coming.

Uh, Dude, I'm about as pasty white as you get. I don't even go out in the sun because I tend to burn badly.

Truly. I could have sworn that you had declared differently at some point over the years. My mistake.

Actually, it's very sustainable. With increases in Asian and Hispanic immigration, and higher birth rates among minorities, it's the White Greivance strategy that is probably unsustainable in the long term.

Sigh. Elitist complacency with the status quo will come back to bite you in the backside every time. But it is Fate of Man that he forgets or never learns.

Actually, more like, history will look back at people like you the way they look back at the Klan and McCarthyism or various other bigots in history.

An interesting perspective.