Democracy&Arab Spring

[pbel]

The Arab Spring proded forward by the US on advice from the PNAC Neo-Cons is an attempt to politically develop the ME towards Democracy...The Theory is that Democratic Regimes would be less hostile to America and Israel, and peace would be secured with a semblence of political stabilities rather than the uncertain Dictatorships which produce silence of the people and instability in the long-run.

5 Arab Spring Opportunities For Israel - The Daily Beast

The Arab Spring was initially embraced with much enthusiasm and hope in the West. In Israel, however, it has been generally perceived as a threat to national security. Israel’s official policies towards the Arab Spring reflect these concerns. But recent regional developments should not be seen only through a negative lens. They also offer important opportunities for Israel’s foreign policy and for its regional standing, which Israeli decision makers should act upon.
salama-morsi-wife-topbox
Amr Nabil / AP Photo


1. Engaging with Political Islam: In contrast to alarming predictions, the new Islamic regimes have thus far been moderate or pragmatic in their policies, including their attitudes to Israel. This opens opportunities for Israel to engage with these new regimes. Egypt, the most important regional country for Israel, has upheld the peace treaty under Muslim Brotherhood leadership; President Mohamed Morsi appointed a new ambassador to Israel, exchanged greetings with President Peres, expressed his interest in assisting Israeli-Palestinian peace-making, and cooperated with Israel in reaching an informal agreement with Hamas, and in his efforts to fight terrorist elements in the Sinai Peninsula.


Interestingly, under an Islamic regime, Egypt has more leverage than did the previous Hosni Mubarak regime, to exert on Hamas in its dealings with Israel. No less important is the fact that a treaty honored by the Brotherhood sends a message across the Muslim world that peace with Israel is not anathema. Though Israeli-Egyptian formal relations will probably remain cold, behind-the-scenes contacts (particularly between the security establishments) will likely continue to flourish.

 

[MJB12741]

The Arab Spring is wonderful. Islamic terrorists massacring each other in their own countries. What better contribution to peace, mankind & civilization? Long live the Arab Spring & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[Roudy]

The Arab Spring proded forward by the US on advice from the PNAC Neo-Cons is an attempt to politically develop the ME towards Democracy...The Theory is that Democratic Regimes would be less hostile to America and Israel, and peace would be secured with a semblence of political stabilities rather than the uncertain Dictatorships which produce silence of the people and instability in the long-run.

5 Arab Spring Opportunities For Israel - The Daily Beast

The Arab Spring was initially embraced with much enthusiasm and hope in the West. In Israel, however, it has been generally perceived as a threat to national security. Israel’s official policies towards the Arab Spring reflect these concerns. But recent regional developments should not be seen only through a negative lens. They also offer important opportunities for Israel’s foreign policy and for its regional standing, which Israeli decision makers should act upon.
salama-morsi-wife-topbox
Amr Nabil / AP Photo


1. Engaging with Political Islam: In contrast to alarming predictions, the new Islamic regimes have thus far been moderate or pragmatic in their policies, including their attitudes to Israel. This opens opportunities for Israel to engage with these new regimes. Egypt, the most important regional country for Israel, has upheld the peace treaty under Muslim Brotherhood leadership; President Mohamed Morsi appointed a new ambassador to Israel, exchanged greetings with President Peres, expressed his interest in assisting Israeli-Palestinian peace-making, and cooperated with Israel in reaching an informal agreement with Hamas, and in his efforts to fight terrorist elements in the Sinai Peninsula.


Interestingly, under an Islamic regime, Egypt has more leverage than did the previous Hosni Mubarak regime, to exert on Hamas in its dealings with Israel. No less important is the fact that a treaty honored by the Brotherhood sends a message across the Muslim world that peace with Israel is not anathema. Though Israeli-Egyptian formal relations will probably remain cold, behind-the-scenes contacts (particularly between the security establishments) will likely continue to flourish.

You just got the memo? What happened in the Arab Spring is, like the Iranian revolution of 1979, most of these countries went from bad to much worse. And as with Jimmy Carter, we have another clueless president who has no idea what he's doing.

There will be years of endless civil and sectarian wars, and many of these countries will end up as failed states. In some cases they will be divided into several autonomous regions, if not carved up, just like in Iraq.

And maybe decades later, out of this there will be a place to shove the Palestinians into. Who knows. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt or a combination of them. After all, they are originally recent invaders from these countries to begin with.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

I thought that the "Arab Spring" was the sequel to the musical, "Springtime for Hitler."

 

[Roudy]

I thought that the "Arab Spring" was the sequel to the musical, "Springtime for Hitler."

The Arab Spring was a label created by the Obama administration, for putting a nice name on the fuckups they were about to commit. That's why I think Romney blew his chance in the foreign policy debate when he sat there and agreed with Obama on everything.

 

[pbel]

The Arab Spring proded forward by the US on advice from the PNAC Neo-Cons is an attempt to politically develop the ME towards Democracy...The Theory is that Democratic Regimes would be less hostile to America and Israel, and peace would be secured with a semblence of political stabilities rather than the uncertain Dictatorships which produce silence of the people and instability in the long-run.

5 Arab Spring Opportunities For Israel - The Daily Beast

The Arab Spring was initially embraced with much enthusiasm and hope in the West. In Israel, however, it has been generally perceived as a threat to national security. Israel’s official policies towards the Arab Spring reflect these concerns. But recent regional developments should not be seen only through a negative lens. They also offer important opportunities for Israel’s foreign policy and for its regional standing, which Israeli decision makers should act upon.
salama-morsi-wife-topbox
Amr Nabil / AP Photo


1. Engaging with Political Islam: In contrast to alarming predictions, the new Islamic regimes have thus far been moderate or pragmatic in their policies, including their attitudes to Israel. This opens opportunities for Israel to engage with these new regimes. Egypt, the most important regional country for Israel, has upheld the peace treaty under Muslim Brotherhood leadership; President Mohamed Morsi appointed a new ambassador to Israel, exchanged greetings with President Peres, expressed his interest in assisting Israeli-Palestinian peace-making, and cooperated with Israel in reaching an informal agreement with Hamas, and in his efforts to fight terrorist elements in the Sinai Peninsula.


Interestingly, under an Islamic regime, Egypt has more leverage than did the previous Hosni Mubarak regime, to exert on Hamas in its dealings with Israel. No less important is the fact that a treaty honored by the Brotherhood sends a message across the Muslim world that peace with Israel is not anathema. Though Israeli-Egyptian formal relations will probably remain cold, behind-the-scenes contacts (particularly between the security establishments) will likely continue to flourish.

You just got the memo? What happened in the Arab Spring is, like the Iranian revolution of 1979, most of these countries went from bad to much worse. And as with Jimmy Carter, we have another clueless president who has no idea what he's doing.

There will be years of endless civil and sectarian wars, and many of these countries will end up as failed states. In some cases they will be divided into several autonomous regions, if not carved up, just like in Iraq.

And maybe decades later, out of this there will be a place to shove the Palestinians into. Who knows. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt or a combination of them. After all, they are originally recent invaders from these countries to begin with.

You are absolutely correct on point one and wrong on point two. In all Revolutions the Radical elements which usually agitate take control....Then like in Egypt an opposition grows interest groups...Compromise is enhanced...Because of this process to compromise fosters Economic Development along with the rule of law.

In time Israel will face enormous economies that will develop. And there lies a danger. If the present animosities still exist in say a hundred years, Israel will face modern armies in time. That’s why it makes sense to make peace now with the Arab League acceptance.

 

[Roudy]

The Arab Spring proded forward by the US on advice from the PNAC Neo-Cons is an attempt to politically develop the ME towards Democracy...The Theory is that Democratic Regimes would be less hostile to America and Israel, and peace would be secured with a semblence of political stabilities rather than the uncertain Dictatorships which produce silence of the people and instability in the long-run.

5 Arab Spring Opportunities For Israel - The Daily Beast

The Arab Spring was initially embraced with much enthusiasm and hope in the West. In Israel, however, it has been generally perceived as a threat to national security. Israel’s official policies towards the Arab Spring reflect these concerns. But recent regional developments should not be seen only through a negative lens. They also offer important opportunities for Israel’s foreign policy and for its regional standing, which Israeli decision makers should act upon.
salama-morsi-wife-topbox
Amr Nabil / AP Photo


1. Engaging with Political Islam: In contrast to alarming predictions, the new Islamic regimes have thus far been moderate or pragmatic in their policies, including their attitudes to Israel. This opens opportunities for Israel to engage with these new regimes. Egypt, the most important regional country for Israel, has upheld the peace treaty under Muslim Brotherhood leadership; President Mohamed Morsi appointed a new ambassador to Israel, exchanged greetings with President Peres, expressed his interest in assisting Israeli-Palestinian peace-making, and cooperated with Israel in reaching an informal agreement with Hamas, and in his efforts to fight terrorist elements in the Sinai Peninsula.


Interestingly, under an Islamic regime, Egypt has more leverage than did the previous Hosni Mubarak regime, to exert on Hamas in its dealings with Israel. No less important is the fact that a treaty honored by the Brotherhood sends a message across the Muslim world that peace with Israel is not anathema. Though Israeli-Egyptian formal relations will probably remain cold, behind-the-scenes contacts (particularly between the security establishments) will likely continue to flourish.

You just got the memo? What happened in the Arab Spring is, like the Iranian revolution of 1979, most of these countries went from bad to much worse. And as with Jimmy Carter, we have another clueless president who has no idea what he's doing.

There will be years of endless civil and sectarian wars, and many of these countries will end up as failed states. In some cases they will be divided into several autonomous regions, if not carved up, just like in Iraq.

And maybe decades later, out of this there will be a place to shove the Palestinians into. Who knows. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt or a combination of them. After all, they are originally recent invaders from these countries to begin with.

You are absolutely correct on point one and wrong on point two. In all Revolutions the Radical elements which usually agitate take control....Then like in Egypt an opposition grows interest groups...Compromise is enhanced...Because of this process to compromise fosters Economic Development along with the rule of law.

In time Israel will face enormous economies that will develop. And there lies a danger. If the present animosities still exist in say a hundred years, Israel will face modern armies in time. That’s why it makes sense to make peace now with the Arab League acceptance.

If those societies open up then they will accept Israel, just as Iran did before the revolution and Turkey was up to the Islamist takeover recently. If they remain closed and radicalized then their tribal and religious historical animosities will take over and there will be decades of wars and millions of deaths between the various groups, and Israel will sit there and watch them destroy and kill each other. Some of them will end up becoming failed states.

Take the Iran / Iraq war which was basically about Sunni vs Shiite and Arab vs Persian animosity. They went to war for a whole decade after the revolution, and in the end it brought one million deaths and collapsed economies. In the process, Iran, what was once one of the strongest militaries in the world which no Arab country would dare challenge, was reduced to nothing. As a bonus, during the war, both countries sold their oil cheap to keep things going and to buy more weapons from guess who? The West and Israel.

Can it get any better I ask? LOL

 

[pbel]

You just got the memo? What happened in the Arab Spring is, like the Iranian revolution of 1979, most of these countries went from bad to much worse. And as with Jimmy Carter, we have another clueless president who has no idea what he's doing.

There will be years of endless civil and sectarian wars, and many of these countries will end up as failed states. In some cases they will be divided into several autonomous regions, if not carved up, just like in Iraq.

And maybe decades later, out of this there will be a place to shove the Palestinians into. Who knows. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt or a combination of them. After all, they are originally recent invaders from these countries to begin with.

You are absolutely correct on point one and wrong on point two. In all Revolutions the Radical elements which usually agitate take control....Then like in Egypt an opposition grows interest groups...Compromise is enhanced...Because of this process to compromise fosters Economic Development along with the rule of law.

In time Israel will face enormous economies that will develop. And there lies a danger. If the present animosities still exist in say a hundred years, Israel will face modern armies in time. That’s why it makes sense to make peace now with the Arab League acceptance.

If those societies open up then they will accept Israel, just as Iran did before the revolution and Turkey was up to the Islamist takeover recently. If they remain closed and radicalized then their tribal and religious historical animosities will take over and there will be decades of wars and millions of deaths between the various groups, and Israel will sit there and watch them destroy and kill each other. Some of them will end up becoming failed states.

Take the Iran / Iraq war which was basically about Sunni vs Shiite and Arab vs Persian animosity. They went to war for a whole decade after the revolution, and in the end it brought one million deaths and collapsed economies. In the process, Iran, what was once one of the strongest militaries in the world which no Arab country would dare challenge, was reduced to nothing. As a bonus, during the war, both countries sold their oil cheap to keep things going and to buy more weapons from guess who? The West and Israel.

Can it get any better I ask? LOL

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

 

[HistoryBefore67]

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Yeah... let's hope that the whole world will one day become the bastion of justice, hope and prosperity that Egypt is today.

 

[Roudy]

You are absolutely correct on point one and wrong on point two. In all Revolutions the Radical elements which usually agitate take control....Then like in Egypt an opposition grows interest groups...Compromise is enhanced...Because of this process to compromise fosters Economic Development along with the rule of law.

In time Israel will face enormous economies that will develop. And there lies a danger. If the present animosities still exist in say a hundred years, Israel will face modern armies in time. That’s why it makes sense to make peace now with the Arab League acceptance.

If those societies open up then they will accept Israel, just as Iran did before the revolution and Turkey was up to the Islamist takeover recently. If they remain closed and radicalized then their tribal and religious historical animosities will take over and there will be decades of wars and millions of deaths between the various groups, and Israel will sit there and watch them destroy and kill each other. Some of them will end up becoming failed states.

Take the Iran / Iraq war which was basically about Sunni vs Shiite and Arab vs Persian animosity. They went to war for a whole decade after the revolution, and in the end it brought one million deaths and collapsed economies. In the process, Iran, what was once one of the strongest militaries in the world which no Arab country would dare challenge, was reduced to nothing. As a bonus, during the war, both countries sold their oil cheap to keep things going and to buy more weapons from guess who? The West and Israel.

Can it get any better I ask? LOL

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

 

[Warrior102]

What the fuck is an "Arab Spring"
Is that like an open goat-fuck carnival somewhere?

 

[Roudy]

What the fuck is an "Arab Spring"
Is that like an open goat-fuck carnival somewhere?

Pretty close. It ain't no German Octoberfest, I'll hand you that.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If those societies open up then they will accept Israel, just as Iran did before the revolution and Turkey was up to the Islamist takeover recently. If they remain closed and radicalized then their tribal and religious historical animosities will take over and there will be decades of wars and millions of deaths between the various groups, and Israel will sit there and watch them destroy and kill each other. Some of them will end up becoming failed states.

Take the Iran / Iraq war which was basically about Sunni vs Shiite and Arab vs Persian animosity. They went to war for a whole decade after the revolution, and in the end it brought one million deaths and collapsed economies. In the process, Iran, what was once one of the strongest militaries in the world which no Arab country would dare challenge, was reduced to nothing. As a bonus, during the war, both countries sold their oil cheap to keep things going and to buy more weapons from guess who? The West and Israel.

Can it get any better I ask? LOL

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

While it's true that Sharon exposed the Gazans for the savages they are, many rockets also rained down upon Israel, thanks to him.

 

[Roudy]

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

While it's true that Sharon exposed the Gazans for the savages they are, many rockets also rained down upon Israel, thanks to him.

Maintaining Gaza and keeping it safe was not sustainable from a military and economic standpoint any longer. There was no way Israel could absorb 1.5 million Egyptian Arabs in Gaza Strip (expected to grow to 2 million by end of decade), and still maintain its integrity. Let alone the economic ability to do that, and also considering Israel already has 2 million Arabs inside Israel itself. Leaving Gaza was the only move left to make.

 

[pbel]

If those societies open up then they will accept Israel, just as Iran did before the revolution and Turkey was up to the Islamist takeover recently. If they remain closed and radicalized then their tribal and religious historical animosities will take over and there will be decades of wars and millions of deaths between the various groups, and Israel will sit there and watch them destroy and kill each other. Some of them will end up becoming failed states.

Take the Iran / Iraq war which was basically about Sunni vs Shiite and Arab vs Persian animosity. They went to war for a whole decade after the revolution, and in the end it brought one million deaths and collapsed economies. In the process, Iran, what was once one of the strongest militaries in the world which no Arab country would dare challenge, was reduced to nothing. As a bonus, during the war, both countries sold their oil cheap to keep things going and to buy more weapons from guess who? The West and Israel.

Can it get any better I ask? LOL

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

The Demographics will never work out for Israel...The 20% Arab/Israeli citizens will become about 40% pushing the Demographic Time Bomb up from 50 years to a hundred...

It still Ticks!

 

[MJB12741]

That is so true. Israel gives the Palestinians a Jew free Gaza & recives rocket missiles for a thank you. But there also was a bright side. Between Hamas & the PA, Palestinian terrorists massacred each other in record numbers. What greater contribution to peace, mankind & civilization than that?

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

While it's true that Sharon exposed the Gazans for the savages they are, many rockets also rained down upon Israel, thanks to him.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

The Demographics will never work out for Israel...The 20% Arab/Israeli citizens will become about 40% pushing the Demographic Time Bomb up from 50 years to a hundred...

It still Ticks!

And have you noticed how Israel always distorts the numbers to hide this demographics issue? When they count Israels population they add in the over 600000 illegal settlers in the Occupied Territories, for example. They dont count Palestinians in those same lands who are not Israeli citizens. I posted in another thread about a US Report from 2005 that reports that already the numbers of Palestinians from the river to the sea already, and since 2005, exceeded the Jews in the land.

 

[MJB12741]

Right on Sherri. It's all part of that "slow but steady" Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

The Demographics will never work out for Israel...The 20% Arab/Israeli citizens will become about 40% pushing the Demographic Time Bomb up from 50 years to a hundred...

It still Ticks!

And have you noticed how Israel always distorts the numbers to hide this demographics issue? When they count Israels population they add in the over 600000 illegal settlers in the Occupied Territories, for example. They dont count Palestinians in those same lands who are not Israeli citizens. I posted in another thread about a US Report from 2005 that reports that already the numbers of Palestinians from the river to the sea already, and since 2005, exceeded the Jews in the land.

 

[Roudy]

All these States including Israel will change from the Western Colonial lines, and countries will break up into Ethinc states if need be...thats what the Arab Spring is all about: The Will of the People to govern them-selfs!

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

The Demographics will never work out for Israel...The 20% Arab/Israeli citizens will become about 40% pushing the Demographic Time Bomb up from 50 years to a hundred...

It still Ticks!

Actually, sorry to burst another of your fantasies, the demographics are working the other way in favor of Israel.

The Israeli Arabs will remain a loyal minority who overwhelmingly prefer to live in Israel than be among the Palestinians, according to latest polls.

Benefits of being a democracy.

 

[Roudy]

Israel will most likely annex the West Bank. That's what the Gaza pullout was all about. The demographics of Gaza wouldn't work for Israel to annex it, but it does in the West Bank. It's as simple as that.

Israel needed to prove to the world that if it voluntarily pulls out and gives the Palestinians total control of Gaza, the Palestinians wouldn't reciprocate. And as predicted they did exactly that, they elected a terrorist Hamas govt sworn to destroy all of Israel, and they started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Which brought about the blockade we are hearing so much about these days. In other words its not and never been about just land.

You have to hand it to Ariel Sharon, this was his idea. By pulling out of Gaza like this, he hit two birds in one. He both solved Israel's demographic problem, and gave Israelis a justifiable reason to hold on to the West Bank and possibly even annex it later on.

The Demographics will never work out for Israel...The 20% Arab/Israeli citizens will become about 40% pushing the Demographic Time Bomb up from 50 years to a hundred...

It still Ticks!

And have you noticed how Israel always distorts the numbers to hide this demographics issue? When they count Israels population they add in the over 600000 illegal settlers in the Occupied Territories, for example. They dont count Palestinians in those same lands who are not Israeli citizens. I posted in another thread about a US Report from 2005 that reports that already the numbers of Palestinians from the river to the sea already, and since 2005, exceeded the Jews in the land.

Sherri and her "facts". You gotta laugh! Ha ha ha.