Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

[docmauser1]

"......in consequence of Jewish aggression, approximately over a quarter of a million of the Arab population have been compelled to leave their homes and emigrate to neighbouring Arab countries. The prevailing events in Palestine exposed the concealed aggressive intentions of the Zionists and their imperialistic motives, as clearly shown in their acts committed upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places, as well as by their encroachment upon the building and bodies of the inviolable consular codes, manifested by their attack upon the Consulate in Jerusalem...."

That was funny.

Funny or drivel?

... imperialistic motives ... , ... peaceful Arabs ... funny agitprop drivel, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

No they're not. Travel across Europe and you will find cultural similarities everywhere; the same applies to Turks or Moroccans or Tunisians or Egyptians, etc.

Indeed, the latter go to the mosque.

 

[docmauser1]

Palestinians never had a nation to LOSE in a war either.

Those fools should stop blaming Israel for their palistanian, allegedly, lost "land and nation", of course.

Unfortunately for them -- their LEASE holders lost THEIR war against Israel.

See, more reason for palistanians to return to their homelands and fight and demand justice and the rent to be paid in full. Then and only then palistanians will rest in peace!

 

[docmauser1]

Kind of like Israel never stops it's settlement building.

Jews have to live somewhere, of course. Do palistanian settlers believe the right to build is theirs and theirs only?.

 

[Phoenall]

Now to get the rest of old Challenged stuff over here on the delusions thread. Right where it belongs.

Some of this stuff is priceless.

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Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.

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Now I ask you, why would the about 60 nation muslim voting block out of 180 or so nations, fully 1/3, the largest voting block in the UN condemn a group of its own ?

Or when did the UN approve the Arab League declaration of war ?

And what ethnic cleansing ? had the Israeli's alluded to any such intentions ?

The guys just off his rocker completely. Or shall we say "delusional'

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

From the body of the text

These States also] declared the Arabs' rejection of [that solution] and that it would not be possible to carry it out by peaceful means, and that its forcible imposition would constitute a threat to peace and security in this area.

 

[Phoenall]

Everything in response to the Arab Aggression ( declaration of war 1948 ) must be in accordance with the established laws governing the conduct of war.

My response "never happened" was to the above comment of yours.

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

Which makes this comment a little bit disingenuous.

Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

This relates to GA resolution 194 which had nothing to do with the Arab League declaration of May 1948

Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

That's what the Jewish Vitual Encyclopedia calls it, not what it actually was, an intervention in an ongoing conflict to restore peace to the region as allowed in the U.N. Charter. See the original document:

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Seems the peyote is scambling your brain; that's why you keep making things up.



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You're daft if you think this isn't a declaration of war.

I'f you'd bothered to read any of my previous ( thats OK I don't exactly spend a lot of time on your posts either ) you'd have known that any declaration which announces actions synonymous with those considered acts of war is a declaration of war. Its irrelevant if the document actually uses the term war.

Since your racism precludes your consideration of any source with Judaic overtones lets just look at the original document as it appears in the UN files

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Cablegram from the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.

1. Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire subject to its rule of law and enjoying full representation in its parliament, the great majority of its population was composed of Arabs with a small minority of Jews enjoying all rights alike with all the remaining citizens and liable only to such charges as all others were. Never were they as minority the subject of any discrimination on account of their creed. Holy Places were protected and accessible to all without distinction.

2. The Arabs have constantly been seeking their freedom and independence; when the Second World War broke out and the Allies declared that they were fighting to restore freedom to the nations the Arabs sided with the Allies and placed all their means at their disposal and in fact fought with them for the realization of their national aspirations and their independence. Great Britain took upon herself the recognition of the independence of the Arab countries in Asia including Palestine. The Arabs’ effort was felt and duly appreciated in winning victory.

3. Great Britain issued a declaration in 1917 in which expression was made of its sympathy with the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine. When this was brought to the knowledge of the Arabs they did not fail to express their resentment and opposition to such expression of policy and when they protested formally to Great Britain the latter made the necessary reassurances with a confirmation of the view that such a declaration did not affect in any degree their rights nor their freedom and independence, and that the said declaration did not prejudice the political position of the Arabs of Palestine notwithstanding the illegality of the said declaration. The British Government’s interpretation of it was that it meant no more than the establishment of a spiritual abode for the Jews in Palestine without there being any ulterior political motives such as the creation of a Jewish State, that being further the expressed views of the Jewish leaders at the time.

4. When the war ended Great Britain did not fulfil its pledges. Instead Palestine was placed under a Mandate entrusted to Great Britain. The terms of the Mandate provided for the safeguarding of the interests of the inhabitants of Palestine and their preparation for eventual independence to which they were entitled by virtue of the Covenant of the League of Nations which admitted that the inhabitants of Palestine were fit for it.

5. Great Britain however placed Palestine in such a position as made it possible for the Jews to flood the country with waves of immigrants and factually helped their establishment on the soil despite the saturation of the land with its population which did exceed the absorptive capacity of the country economically and otherwise, thereby neglecting the provided for interests and the rights of its lawful inhabitants. The Arabs used all means at all times to express their deep concern and anxiety at such a policy which they felt was undermining their future and their very existence. But at all such times they were met with utter disregard and harsh treatment such as jail, exile, etc.

6. And whereas Palestine is an Arab country falling in the heart of the Arab countries and attached to the Arab world with all bonds spiritual, historical, economical and strategical, the Arab States as well as Eastern countries, whether through their people or governments, could not but concern and interest themselves with the fate of Palestine. This is why they took upon themselves the task of handling its case before the international institutions generally and particularly before Great Britain, insisting upon a solution for the problem based upon undertaking given to them and upon democratic principles. A round-table conference was held early in 1939 in London in which the Arab States took part asking for the safeguarding of the independence of Arab Palestine as a whole. That conference resulted in the issue of the well-known White Paper in which Great Britain defined its policy towards Palestine, admitting its right to independence while laying down at the same time certain provisions for the exercise of such independence. Great Britain did therein further declare that its obligations regarding the establishment of the Jewish National Home have been completely fulfilled as the said National Home had been established. But unfortunately the underlying policy of the White Paper was not carried out, which led to an increasingly bad situation and, in fact, resulted in complete prejudice and disregard to Arab interests.

7. During the time that the Second World War was raging the respective Governments of the Arab States began to co-ordinate their views and actions for the useful purpose of better securing co-operation regarding not only their present and future but for playing their part in the establishment of lasting world-wide peace. The problem of Palestine did not at any time during their mutual consultations fail to absorb its due share of attention and interest. It was a result of those consultations that then emerged the present Arab League as instrument for the realization of their own peace, security and welfare. The Arab League Charter declared that Palestine had become an independent country since its separation from the Ottoman Empire, but that all the appertaining external rights and privileges attendant upon formal independence had to be subdued temporarily for reasons beyond the will of its people. It was a happy coincidence which gave rise to the hopes of the Arab States then that at that time the United Nations was brought to existence soon after. And accordingly the Arab States unhesitatingly participated in its creation and membership out of deep belief in that institution, its ideals, and high aims.

8. Since then the Arab League, through its member States, unceasingly endeavoured by all its means, whether with the Mandatory or with the United Nations, to find a fair and just solution for the problem of Palestine, based on democratic principles and consistent with the provisions of the League of Nations Covenant as well as of the United Nations Charter, a solution which would be lasting and would ensure peace and security in the land leading to prosperity, but such solution invariably conflicted with opposition from Zionists and with their demands as they then started to openly declare their insistence upon a Jewish State and in fact bent upon full preparations with arms and fortifications to impose their own solution by force.

9. When the General Assembly made its recommendations on 29 November 1947 for the solution of the Palestine problem on the basis of partition providing for the establishment of two States, one Arab and one Jewish, with an international regime of trusteeship for the City of Jerusalem, the Arab States expressed the warning that such a solution was prejudicial to the rights of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine to independence and was contradictory to democratic principles and to the League of Nations as well as the United Nations Charter. The Arabs then rejected such a scheme declaring that it was not susceptible of execution by peaceful means and that its imposition by force constituted a threat to peace and security in this area.

The apprehensions of the Arab States proved to be well founded as the disturbances of which they had warned soon swept the country, and armed conflict took place between its two peoples who started to combat against each other and shed each other’s blood. Consequently, the United Nations realized the mistake upon which the recommendation of partition was made and turned to search for an outlet.

10. Now that the Mandate over Palestine has come to an end, leaving no legally constituted authority behind in order to administer law and order in the country and afford the necessary and adequate protection to life and property, the Arab States declare as follows:

(a) The right to set up a Government in Palestine pertains to its inhabitants under the principles of self-determination recognized by the Covenant of the League of Nations as well as the United Nations Charter;

(b) Peace and order have been completely upset in Palestine, and, in consequence of Jewish aggression, approximately over a quarter of a million of the Arab population have been compelled to leave their homes and emigrate to neighbouring Arab countries. The prevailing events in Palestine exposed the concealed aggressive intentions of the Zionists and their imperialistic motives, as clearly shown in their acts committed upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places, as well as by their encroachment upon the building and bodies of the inviolable consular codes, manifested by their attack upon the Consulate in Jerusalem.

(c) The Mandatory has already announced that on the termination of the Mandate it will no longer be responsible for the maintenance of law and order in Palestine except in the camps and areas actually occupied by its forces, and only to the extent necessary for the security of those forces and their withdrawal. This leaves Palestine absolutely without any administrative authority entitled to maintain, and capable of maintaining, a machinery of administration of the country adequate for the purpose of ensuring due protection of life and property. There is further the threat that this lawlessness may spread to the neighbouring Arab States where feeling is already very tense on account of the prevailing conditions in Palestine. The respective members of the Arab League, and as Members of the United Nations at the same time, feel gravely perturbed and deeply concerned over this situation.

(d) It was the sincere wish of the Arab States that the United Nations might succeed in arriving at a fair and just solution of the Palestine problem, thus establishing a lasting peace for the country under the precepts of the democratic principles and in conformity with the Covenant of the League of Nations and the United Nations Charter.

(e) They are responsible in any … by virtue of their responsibility as members of the Arab League which is a regional organization within the meaning of Chapter VIII of the Charter of the United Nations. The recent disturbances in Palestine further constitute a serious and direct threat to peace and security within the territories of the Arab States themselves. For these reasons, and considering that the security of Palestine is a sacred trust for them, and out of anxiousness to check the further deterioration of the prevailing conditions and to prevent the spread of disorder and lawlessness into the neighbouring Arab lands, and in order to fill the vacuum created by the termination of the Mandate and the failure to replace it by any legally constituted authority, the Arab Governments find themselves compelled to intervene for the sole purpose of restoring peace and security and establishing law and order in Palestine.

The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. As soon as that stage is reached the intervention of the Arab States, which is confined to the restoration of peace and establishment of law and order, shall be put an end to, and the sovereign State of Palestine will be competent in co-operation with the other States members of the Arab League, to take every step for the promotion of the welfare and security of its peoples and territory.

The Governments of the Arab States hereby confirm at this stage the view that had been repeatedly declared by them on previous occasions, such as the London Conference and before the United Nations mainly, the only fair and just solution to the problem of Palestine is the creation of United State of Palestine based upon the democratic principles which will enable all its inhabitants to enjoy equality before the law, and which would guarantee to all minorities the safeguards provided for in all democratic constitutional States affording at the same time full protection and free access to Holy Places. The Arab States emphatically and repeatedly declare that their intervention in Palestine has been prompted solely by the considerations and for the aims set out above and that they are not inspired by any other motive whatsoever. They are, therefore, confident that their action will receive the support of the United Nations as tending to further the aims and ideals of the United Nations as set out in its Charter.

Abdul Razek Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the League of Arab States UN Doc. S/745, reprinted in 3 UN SCOR, Supp. for May 1948, at 83-88

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The declaration never mentioned that the combined armies of five Arab League nations were poised to descend on the fledgling Israel on behalf of the already waring Arabs in the former mandate aree, or that Israel had been recognized by the UN thus making the statement highlighted in blue just more Arab hasbara.

The simple fact is the declaration is a rather repetitive defense of the military action which resulted in both Egypt and Jordan illegally occupying areas of the former mandate.

Now I realize comprehension isn't your strong suit Challenged but if you focus, eventually you might grasp at leasts some of the concepts involved

Good read except for your mindless babble at the end.

That just so happens to be the reality of the situation. The arab's cant demand everything all the time and must learn to live within the boundaries imposed. Will the arab muslims agree to the proposed UNSC resolution if it means they will never again have control over all of Palestine ?

 

[Phoenall]

It was not a declaration of war, it was recognition of the fact that the Jews had started a war and were expelling the native people in the hundreds of thousands. Recently declassified communications of the British intelligence confirm that the letter of the League of Arab States to the U.N. was indeed reporting the facts. The Arabs did not act in time to defend themselves from Jewish aggression.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'.........After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition..."

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

From Boston's link:

"......in consequence of Jewish aggression, approximately over a quarter of a million of the Arab population have been compelled to leave their homes and emigrate to neighbouring Arab countries. The prevailing events in Palestine exposed the concealed aggressive intentions of the Zionists and their imperialistic motives, as clearly shown in their acts committed upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places, as well as by their encroachment upon the building and bodies of the inviolable consular codes, manifested by their attack upon the Consulate in Jerusalem...."

And not the 700,000 to 1,000,000 that you pass of as the true numbers of refugees. Here we have it from an arab source that there where at most 250,000 displaced arab muslims. I wonder if team Palestine will collectively admit to having lied based on islamonazi propaganda evidence.

 

[Phoenall]

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

How can it be an invasion if none of them entered Israel?

Because they entered the mandate of Palestine and declared war. Remember that it was still under British control in 1947 when the arab armies first engaged in war with the Jews.

The Jews declared independence with a view to mutual negotiations on borders and shared utilities, the arab league denied the "Palestinians" the right to accept the proposal.

 

[Phoenall]

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

How can it be an invasion if none of them entered Israel?

Well that certainly belonged in the delusions thread

Tell us again how no Arab Muslims Immigrated into Israel ;--)

Is deflection all you have?

How can an on topic subject be deflection ?

 

[Phoenall]

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

CORRECT and the Palestinians lost the war in 1917 meaning they also lost sovereignty over Jewish Palestine. They were allowed to keep arab Palestine. The invaders were the combined forces of the arab league who went with the intent of wiping out the Jews once and for all. That is why the defeat was a disaster when the arab soldiers were destroyed by Jewish farmers

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians never had a nation to LOSE in a war either.

Those fools should stop blaming Israel for their palistanian, allegedly, lost "land and nation", of course.

Unfortunately for them -- their LEASE holders lost THEIR war against Israel.

See, more reason for palistanians to return to their homelands and fight and demand justice and the rent to be paid in full. Then and only then palistanians will rest in peace!

Their homeland is where the European Jews settled.

 

[Boston1]

Looks like someone is having trouble with geography.

The Judaic people developed in Judaea oh say in the early to mid bronze age.

The Arabic people developed on the Arabian peninsula in about the 7th century. Maybe 6 or 7 thousand years after the Judaic people.

No real question about who the first nations were in the area. Its just a question of certain nitwits thinking we need 58 Muslim states and NO jewish state.

If the Arab Muslim colonists really need one more state why don't they set up camp in Arabia somewhere ? Why all the kicking and screaming it has to be in Israel, the only Jewish state.

face it, your a racist ass and your only real argument is that you hate the Joooooos

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

There was a big difference. This is from the US but the concept is universal.

IMMIGRANT
:
In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant​

How is there a big difference? There was Arab immigration into Palestine. There was Jewish immigration into Palestine. all immigrants.

You didn't read my post. These so called Jewish immigrants did not match the definition of immigrants. They did, however, match the description of aliens or foreigners.

An immigrant moves to a country to be a part of that society. They want to be a member of the existing population.

The Zionists had no intention of being a part of Palestine. The Zionists imported settlers by the boatload to implement their colonial project. Theses settlers lived in colonies separate from anything and everything Palestinian. They were to be place holders on any land obtained by hook or by crook. They were to work and pay taxes. They would be conscripts in the military that would be necessary to create an exclusive Jewish state in a country where the vast majority of people were Muslims and Christians.

To call these settlers immigrants is a great misnomer.

 

[Challenger]

I think you are confused as to what the term hasbara means, you should try looking it up in a dictionary sometime ;--)

Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past. Often, Hasbara efforts includes a negative portrayal of the Arabs and especially of Palestinians. Hasbara: Why does the world fail to understand us? | +972 Magazine

No need to thank me.

 

[Challenger]

Actually not. The Palestinians were returning to their native homeland. The Zionists were colonizing new land.

Its a big difference

There, fixed it for you.

 

[Challenger]

No real question about who the first nations were in the area.

Correct; the Palestinians, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Not however, the European Zionists who came to colonise the region.

 

[Challenger]

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

 

[Hollie]

Actually not. The Palestinians were returning to their native homeland. The Zionists were colonizing new land.

Its a big difference

There, fixed it for you.

Pal'istanians were invading Arab beggars and squatters from Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

There, fixed your profound ignorance. Share that with your fellow converts at the mosque.

 

[Challenger]

Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Define "Jews". People who follow a Judean monotheist cult, regardless of their ethnic origin or ethnic natives who once followed a Judean monotheist cult but converted to other religions over time?

 

[Hollie]

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

Define indigenous Arabs. When are invading muhammedans defined as indigenous 'Pal'istanians?