Defense Official: Obama Calling for Defense Budget Cuts

[DiveCon]

Carter is turning out to be the Sybil of our age.

He saw what few of his fellow DEMS and even fewer of the Reps wanted to admit...

..that energy was going to be the greatest problem of our generation.

And FWIW, the decision by the FED to crush stagflation (something that in retrospect I think was a fairly good policy) was the root cause of the terrible recession that occured during his administration.

As POTUS, there was nothing he could do about the fact that the FED escalated the interest rates up to 21%.

You are right, but I disagree that the FED decision to attack "stagflation" was correct. It was a disaster.

What led us out of that mess was when the North Slope oil started flowing in the early 1980's.

The FED screwed up again by lowering interest rates too low after 9/11. That and the derivatives scheme led to the mess we are in now.

Now the FED has to act because we are facing an emergency.

Edit, when you have the moron chris agreeing with you, maybe you should rethink your post
carter was a fucking disaaster and STILL is, i wish he would shut the fuck up and go back to growing peanuts

 

[007]

Yup, hussein is just another in a long line of military hating liberals. Here we are with our military stretched so thin that if another skirmish breaks out somewhere, we don't have enough troops or equipment to properly deal with it. New recruitment is down, retention is down, or equipment is in bad repair, and what does hussein want? Sure, he wants to cut the military budget. Who's side is this fucking shit for brains on anyway?

 

[tobetbaa]

not a bad idea !

 

[Gun Clingin']

not a bad idea !

Subversive prick. Negative rep for you.

 

[xsited1]

What some Libertarians say about National Defense:

C4. What about national defense?

This issue makes minarchists out of a lot of would-be anarchists. One view is that in a libertarian society everyone would be heavily armed, making invasion or usurpation by a domestic tyrant excessively risky. This is what the Founding Fathers clearly intended for the U.S. (the Constitution made no provision for a standing army, entrusting defense primarily to a militia consisting of the entirety of the armed citizenry). It works today in Switzerland (also furnishing one of the strongest anti-gun-control arguments). The key elements in libertarian-anarchist defense against an invader would be: a widespread ideology (libertarianism) that encourages resistance; ready availability of deadly weapons; and no structures of government that an invader can take over and use to rule indirectly. Think about the Afghans, the Viet Cong, the Minutemen -- would you want to invade a country full of dedicated, heavily armed libertarians?

Minarchist libertarians are less radical, observe that U.S. territory could certainly be protected effectively with a military costing less than half of the bloated U.S. military budget.

The Libertarianism FAQ

 

[Gun Clingin']

What some Libertarians say about National Defense:

C4. What about national defense?

This issue makes minarchists out of a lot of would-be anarchists. One view is that in a libertarian society everyone would be heavily armed, making invasion or usurpation by a domestic tyrant excessively risky. This is what the Founding Fathers clearly intended for the U.S. (the Constitution made no provision for a standing army, entrusting defense primarily to a militia consisting of the entirety of the armed citizenry). It works today in Switzerland (also furnishing one of the strongest anti-gun-control arguments). The key elements in libertarian-anarchist defense against an invader would be: a widespread ideology (libertarianism) that encourages resistance; ready availability of deadly weapons; and no structures of government that an invader can take over and use to rule indirectly. Think about the Afghans, the Viet Cong, the Minutemen -- would you want to invade a country full of dedicated, heavily armed libertarians?

Minarchist libertarians are less radical, observe that U.S. territory could certainly be protected effectively with a military costing less than half of the bloated U.S. military budget.

The Libertarianism FAQ

That's fine. But I am not a big L libertarian. So it's all good. I don't have to toe a party line. I am an independent libertarian.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Libertarian Party is not a party of "Big L" Libertarians either.

 

[Gun Clingin']

The Libertarian Party is not a party of "Big L" Libertarians either.

If they could be, they would be. I agree with most of the LPUSA platform, but that little tid bit I don't kept me away from voting Barr.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Libertarian Party is not a party of "Big L" Libertarians either.

If they could be, they would be. I agree with most of the LPUSA platform, but that little tid bit I don't kept me away from voting Barr.

I voted for Barr, and I don't think there was a better choice for me personally. Who did you vote for, if you don't mind my asking?

 

[Gun Clingin']

The Libertarian Party is not a party of "Big L" Libertarians either.

If they could be, they would be. I agree with most of the LPUSA platform, but that little tid bit I don't kept me away from voting Barr.

I voted for Barr, and I don't think there was a better choice for me personally. Who did you vote for, if you don't mind my asking?

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If they could be, they would be. I agree with most of the LPUSA platform, but that little tid bit I don't kept me away from voting Barr.

I voted for Barr, and I don't think there was a better choice for me personally. Who did you vote for, if you don't mind my asking?

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

 

[Gun Clingin']

I voted for Barr, and I don't think there was a better choice for me personally. Who did you vote for, if you don't mind my asking?

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

Right on.

 

[DiveCon]

I voted for Barr, and I don't think there was a better choice for me personally. Who did you vote for, if you don't mind my asking?

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

 

[Gun Clingin']

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

That fact sucks a fat one too.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I wrote in Ron Paul. Even if it was futile, I felt I needed to do what I thought was right. Hopefully we don't get into a huge argument over this, because I'm not really up for it at the moment.

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

 

[DiveCon]

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

i said almost
and i know my vote wouldnt have mattered because my state went to Obama anyway
but i know so many others that would never vote for Paul
would have been better had he put his support behind someone like Hunter
IMO

 

[Gun Clingin']

No argument here. If Ron Paul had been a legitimate candidate in my state he would have gotten my vote.

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

Paul had his problems..specifically being endorsed by the nazis at stormfront. He made some statements that hurt him in the past regarding race. Ofcourse, I don't believe him to be a racist, but once you are labled as such, you wil never come back frommit in alot of folks eyes.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

i said almost
and i know my vote wouldnt have mattered because my state went to Obama anyway
but i know so many others that would never vote for Paul
would have been better had he put his support behind someone like Hunter
IMO

Hunter had less chance of winning than Paul did, and I doubt a significant amount of us would have supported Hunter regardless of what Ron Paul said. We still would have been primarily split between Barr and Baldwin I'm sure.

 

[DiveCon]

had Ron Paul been the GOP candidate, Obama would have won nearly all 50 states

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

Paul had his problems..specifically being endorsed by the nazis at stormfront. He made some statements that hurt him in the past regarding race. Ofcourse, I don't believe him to be a racist, but once you are labled as such, you wil never come back frommit in alot of folks eyes.

i dont think Paul is a racist either, but he sure didnt want to upset them
THATS what hurt him more

 

[DiveCon]

I wasn't speaking about if he hypothetically would have won the GOP nomination. He was on the ballot in Louisiana and Montana, and he was eligible for a write-in vote in California. If something to that effect had happened in Ohio I would have voted for him.

Also, I doubt very seriously that Obama would have won all 50 states had Ron Paul won the GOP nomination.

i said almost
and i know my vote wouldnt have mattered because my state went to Obama anyway
but i know so many others that would never vote for Paul
would have been better had he put his support behind someone like Hunter
IMO

Hunter had less chance of winning than Paul did, and I doubt a significant amount of us would have supported Hunter regardless of what Ron Paul said. We still would have been primarily split between Barr and Baldwin I'm sure.

i think Paul stole the air out of the rest of the conservatives because of his radical designs
but they failed to draw any mainstream support from the center