Discussion in 'Politics' started by Red Dawn, Jan 31, 2009.
Oh the Horror.
I'm so surprized it all turned out to be rubish.
Aw, come on Red Dawn...you aren't surprised at all.
Yeah, cant imagine why investigation into Democrat voter fraud would turn up nothing with Democrats in charge.
There wasn't voter fraud in this election to much extent, just as there wasn't much in the 2000 election. The only party who cries it is the "dumbocrats" when they lose.
Hate to say this (because I usually like the Dems more than Reps) but: Turn about's fair play.
Usually I agree, a bit of karma at play... Unfortunately, karma is not the way to select leaders, and this is our elections at stake.
I've always been astounded at how quickly people dismiss these types of worries when it is illegal to collect the evidence that would enable us to tell if these things were happening. Instead they just say, "See? There is no evidence therefore there's nothing to worry about." and attempt to dismiss it with sarcasm in some way. It's weak.
If the cops were unable to collect fingerprints, ask for identification that means something, etc. there would be very little crime solved because there would be "no evidence" it wouldn't mean that nothing happened, only that we could never "prove" it. There is a reason that Ds fight so hard against something so simple as showing identification that most states require you carry and can be provided at no cost in places where they require it. It isn't because they believe there is no problem, it is because they are afraid that somebody would be able to collect evidence.
A good solid bipartisan effort to clean up elections would be necessary, but both sides attempt to protect the places where it benefits them and point fingers at the places that benefit the other side. It's disturbing really.
While you make a few good points I don't think it's that simple, the why part. Look at the Florida Fiasco (FF, how cuuute) that happened when Jr got elected, no matter what you do the system is not perfect. I agree that ID's should be checked and votes verified more (at least in some way), however this will never stop it. Like all illegal activity the perpetrators just evolve and change to evade the newer security measures in place. Our own state had a problem recently (can't remember exactly when) where they found a lot of votes from dead people, and not just people who recently died, but LONG dead, which is why I like the ID requirement myself. The part of voting that still bothers me is that only two candidates EVER get the spotlight, and always of the same two parties. Many times I can't even find out about all the candidates, and in our day and age this shouldn't be an issue at all. I didn't vote for either of them, because I didn't like one more than the other and the candidates I would have voted for (was still undecided to the end) had no chance of winning. To me, the whole system is corrupt anyway so one tiny flaw isn't enough to worry about.
We need to fix them all.
I agree that the immediate dismissal of other qualified candidates to concentrate on the "big two" actually perpetuates the problem of the two-heads one party.
It is essential that we work towards all of these at once, otherwise we maintain the status quo where the only issues that ever get "fixed" are those that will help maintain the majority of either of the big two that happen to have the power at the time.
There are many, many Americans that simply do not vote because they do not feel sympathy toward either of the big two and are convinced that their voice is otherwise insignificant. Imagine if all those who lean libertarian actually voted that way. Or those who lean socialist for that matter... It would turn an election. Yet most never will.
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