Debate: Constitutional Provision for Gun Ownership is Out of Date with Current Realities

Discussion in 'Congress' started by rocket propelled, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Manonthestreet
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    think you are a talking point trooper
     
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    When the police give up their right to guns, and the government can guarantee no criminal will ever have one, I'll give up mine.

    Actually I won't, but good luck making my conditions a reality.
     
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    Some seem to maintain all 'arms' are 2nd A sacred.
     
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    Well, they are all weapons of war, created to wage war and thus by definition ARMS.

    Those concrete thinkers who believe the 2nd A. was meant to allow every man, women and child, citizen or not, the absolute right to own, possess and have in their custody and or control ARMS are not civilized/socialized and/or as dense as a leaded box filled with lead weights.
     
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    I can only speak for the agencies which employed me. To become an armed officer of the law, the applicant is required to pass a written test, pass at least two and most times three oral interviews, take and pass a battery of psychological tests and meet with a psychologist at least two times before offered a conditional offer of employment.

    Then a full background investigation will look into the life background of the applicant: Arrest history if any; treatment for Alcohol or other drugs; civil court orders and judgments; found to be a danger to them self or others; Credit history; Residences, reasons for changes of location; education, incl. academic and deportment records; interviews of three persons who provided recommendations and others who might know the applicant (former neighbors, employers, teachers, coaches, etc.).

    He/She then must complete POST training in the laws of arrest and firearm training, the latter of which is on going for their entire career. Sign off on a use of force policy and for the first (usually) year continue to be trained by a Field Training Officer (FTO). Not until the probationary employed proves him or her self in the field are they offered permanent employment. At any time before that offer is made, they can be sent home with no right to appeal.

    If you Marty wanted to own a gun, and such a background check were required, your written comments on this Message Board would be sufficient and necessary to tell you, Hell No! You would never be allowed the privilege to own, possess or operate a gun of any kind!
     
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    What makes you think the American military would fire on their own families?
     
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    Government doesn't get to decide that.

    Plus how much of that training is for firearms use, and how much is for all the other things law enforcement officers can do? The greatest power police have is the power of arrest without consequence as long as proper procedures are followed.

    And your comments on this board would tell us you shouldn't have the right to vote. See how that works?
     
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    You're too biased to understand reality (that's a compliment). How does a nation of 300 million + inhabitants, holding an equal number + or - amount of guns go about confiscating each and every one of them? And given our democracy - something the lunatic fringe chooses to deny - what makes you think, if you ever do,- that The People would not support such an endeavor, and send the Pols who passed such legislation packing in the next election?
     
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    What makes you think families would be armed and and put them and their family into harms way against a superior force? And why do you believe more than a few members of the military, who took the oath to support and defend COTUS, would support armed rebels?

    Of course you've never thought this through, you like many on the extreme right operate on emotion, bias and the pretense of manhood. People on the far right extreme talk the talk, but the second they see the Elephant for the first time, they will stop talking and start running.
     
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    Government on all levels has the power to promulgate the law; government includes the Supreme Court, which has ruled (in Heller) that the 2nd A. claim ("shall not be infringed") is bogus, hyperbole and thus not to be believed.

    Your comment on voting rights is a non sequitur.

    See: PC 832 Arrest and Firearms Course - Commission on POST

    And consider, this follows the required Training Academy, see:

    Los Medanos College - Law Enforcement Academy
     

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