Dear rightie investors - you missed it

[The T]

You gotta wonder if the left has any sense at all or they are fueled by hatred. Six months ago they were cheering the OWS rabble and condemning corporations, wall street and the stock market. Today they think Barry might get a boost in the polls and all of a sudden they are in love with capitalism.

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

 

[Toro]

Since you're knowledgeable on the topic maybe you can explain why - in the past 50 years - the market does so much better under Democrats

Seriously - I'd really like to know. I don't think I've heard anyone really give a good explanation (other than dems good reps bad which doesn't quite do it for me). Surely there must be key differences in policy.

That's a good question. Nobody really knows but here are a few possibilities and other salient points.

1. The Democrats really are better for the the economy. Personally, I don't believe this.

2. The stock market has actually done best with a Democrat President and a Republican Congress. The next best has been a Republican President with a Democrat Congress. Third is a Democrat President / Democrat Congress. Last is a Republican President / Republican Congress.

3. Much of the data is skewed by the Depression. Take out 1928-1932 and the data looks different. (I'm looking further back than 50 years.)

4. Democrats are irresponsible over the long run but good over the short run. Contrary to what many believe - and almost all Republicans it seems - deficits are actually good for the market over the short run. There is strong empirical evidence of this conducted by Ken Fisher. Fisher found that markets tend to expand quite significantly when budget deficits are increasing, and do worse when budgets deficits are contracting. This may not be true in any given year, but it has held over decades, and perhaps more interestingly, across many countries.

5. Likewise, there is an old saying that "Democrats are elected to create inflation and Republicans are elected to get rid of it." In an inflationary environment, stocks tend to rise in nominal terms. In a deflationary environment, stocks tend to fall in nominal terms. Government expansion is inflationary whereas government contraction is deflationary. Democrats generally want more government and Republicans want less.

6. The market is a discounting mechanism, and discounts forthcoming elections incorrectly. A typical reaction in the stock market is for the market to react up to the event, then reverse course when it occurs. It used to be that when casino operators opened a new casino in Las Vegas, the stock of the company would run up until the casino would open, then the stock price would sell off. Likewise, the stock price of Apple tends to run up in front of a new product launch - iPad, iPhone, etc. - then when it hits the market, it tends to sell off or at least move sideways. (See how the stock of Apple has behaved over the past month, and watch it now that the new iPad has launched. I bet you the stock price will either be the same or lower over the next month or two.) Similarly, Democrats are often perceived to be bad for business, so the market may sell off before the election if a Dem is expected to win. But once the election has occurred, investors realize that the Democrats weren't as bad as feared and the stock market rallies. Conversely, Republicans are seen as good for business, so if a Republican is likely to win election, the market rallies in front of the election, only to sell off after it happens. In both scenarios, especially if it is a change of parties, if there is a Republican President and the WH is going to change, the market will sell off on the Republican's watch, skewing the market returns to the downside for the Republican President. Likewise, when there is a Dem in the WH, and a Republican likely to be elected, the market rallying into election will occur on the Democrat's watch, even though it is rising because of an expected Republican win. IOW, the Republicans always lose in these scenarios and the Democrats always wins.

 

[sfcalifornia]

You gotta wonder if the left has any sense at all or they are fueled by hatred. Six months ago they were cheering the OWS rabble and condemning corporations, wall street and the stock market. Today they think Barry might get a boost in the polls and all of a sudden they are in love with capitalism.

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

 

[daveman]

You gotta wonder if the left has any sense at all or they are fueled by hatred. Six months ago they were cheering the OWS rabble and condemning corporations, wall street and the stock market. Today they think Barry might get a boost in the polls and all of a sudden they are in love with capitalism.

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

So...conservatives force people to buy their companies' products?

 

[The T]

You gotta wonder if the left has any sense at all or they are fueled by hatred. Six months ago they were cheering the OWS rabble and condemning corporations, wall street and the stock market. Today they think Barry might get a boost in the polls and all of a sudden they are in love with capitalism.

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

Said tongue-in-cheek I'm sure as the Democrats/obama make a habit of ripping off the taxpayers of this Republic?

Does Solyndra mean anything to you?

You were saying?

 

[The T]

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

So...conservatives force people to buy their companies' products?

The poster knows Conservatives don't. The poster is being obteuse with an injection of stupidity for flavour.

 

[Dick Tuck]

I hope they took Glen Becks advise and bought coins from Goldline.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You gotta wonder if the left has any sense at all or they are fueled by hatred. Six months ago they were cheering the OWS rabble and condemning corporations, wall street and the stock market. Today they think Barry might get a boost in the polls and all of a sudden they are in love with capitalism.

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

They may be interested in making money but they're also interested in forcing people to pay more taxes to a government that is full of waste.

 

[DontBeStupid]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

Nope.

If we had when Bush wanted to, we would be in an even worse situation with regards to SS.

 

[Dick Tuck]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

Yeah, the suckers would have been told that funds of mortgage derivatives were the safest investment. How'd that work out?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

Nope.

If we had when Bush wanted to, we would be in an even worse situation with regards to SS.

Wait, are you sure?

It's sounds like you're a fucking clueless retard.

Do you want to double check that and get back to us?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

Yeah, the suckers would have been told that funds of mortgage derivatives were the safest investment. How'd that work out?

So the stock market isn't up?

 

[The T]

It's a smokescreen. I'd dare say that alot of the 'leftists' on these boards are paid partisan hacks.

Conservatives seem to have this idea that Democrats aren't interested in making money. They couldn't be more wrong. Democrats are very interested in making money, they just want to make sure money is not being made by ripping off people.

They may be interested in making money but they're also interested in forcing people to pay more taxes to a government that is full of waste.

And force future generations into slavery.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

Hey, moron, you can't put any money in the DJIA... it's not a fund.

Secondly, even if it were, what idiot would put all of his money in any one thing?

God you're dumb.

 

[The T]

DJIA near record highs.

You missed the rebound.

FACT:
Had you put all your money in the Dow Jones Industrial Average when Oabama took office, you'd be up 66% PLUS DIVIDENDS by now (annual return around 17% PLUS dividends)


So SHUT THE FUCK UP

Hey, moron, you can't put any money in the DJIA... it's not a fund.

Secondly, even if it were, what idiot would put all of his money in any one thing?

God you're dumb.

Guess the OP has never heard of speculation/futures...

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So Bush was right about partially privatizing Social Security.

Darn

Nope.

If we had when Bush wanted to, we would be in an even worse situation with regards to SS.

Wait, are you sure?

It's sounds like you're a fucking clueless retard.

Do you want to double check that and get back to us?

dontbestupid is just one long dumb fuck post after another.

 

[The T]

Nope.

If we had when Bush wanted to, we would be in an even worse situation with regards to SS.

Wait, are you sure?

It's sounds like you're a fucking clueless retard.

Do you want to double check that and get back to us?

dontbestupid is just one long dumb fuck post after another.

He betrays his moniker, doesn't he?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Wait, are you sure?

It's sounds like you're a fucking clueless retard.

Do you want to double check that and get back to us?

dontbestupid is just one long dumb fuck post after another.

He betrays his moniker, doesn't he?

Yeah, there's definitely some irony there.

 

[The T]

dontbestupid is just one long dumb fuck post after another.

He betrays his moniker, doesn't he?

Yeah, there's definitely some irony there.

Guess he doen't care...but paid shills never do.